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08-07-2003, 03:40 AM
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Why are all the people that agree with me the naive ones?
Uh, dunno - maybe it's because your beliefs are naive? I'm not trying to be insulting, but with a condescending attitute like that your conversion rate isn't going to be very high.

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The main hang up is, what is the mechanism? No matter how well the fossils supposedly are ordered, or how many supposed intermediate stages they find, or how logical the theories are the fact remains: There is no biological mechanism that could cause evolution.
Of course there's a biological mechanism. It consists of the environment, the animal's ability to survive, and to a lesser extent, mutations. You're assuming that all individuals within a species are identical to each other, when it's obvious that within any population there are variations. As the environment changes and different groups of the same species become isolated from each other, you'll have seperate environments each requiring different traits which are best suited to survival. Those who possess variations beneficial to survival within that environment are the individuals who will produce offspring with simlar survival-ensuring-characteristics, whereas those who don't will likely die before getting the opportunity to reproduce. Even within this simple scenario you can see how these two seperate groups of the same species could become dramatically different over time.

One example of this has been observed on the east coast of Australia. There's a species of birds that were once confined to the Sydney area, but over time they've spread all the way up to the northern most tip of Australia as well as down to Victoria. The environments of the northern and southern parts of Australia are extremely different, so as you'd expect, the parrots of the north are hardly recognisable to those of the south. If you were to take a northern bird and put it in a cage with the southern bird, they will not mate. A species is defined as two or more individuals of a group who can produce fertile offspring. These two birds can't reproduce - would that suggest two different species? So there you have it, a modern day example of evolution.

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They ignore the fact that in species like some bacteria, that reproduce millions more times in a minute than all humans can in ten years, some major evolution should be apparent in the bacteria.
Are you kidding? Bacteria is known to be horrendously mutative. It's well known that treating someone with antibiotics for a bacterial infection causes the bacteria to mutate. Unless by 'major evolution' you mean giant, fire breathing blobs that destroy cities, in which case I'd respond with: "If you studied evolution to the depths you've claimed to, you'd understand that a species will only evolve when there is a need to. A species perfectly adapted to their environment will not change."

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