[TheKhanzumer]

I'm actually thankful for your responses because in some things you are right. And to most people everything else is really just a matter of opinion.

I'm assuming you mean copulating with somebody outside of marriage. One of the Christian members here once said that all recreational sex was sinful and only "whores" participated in it. I won't mention that persons name, but do you believe this also?

I believe that sex outside of marriage is a sin. Married male and female couples who have sex for recreation are okay. God made sex pleasurable for a reason. To test and strengthen us, as well as help husband wife relationships.

I'm not one of these types to go all marching and waving banners around and shtuffs, but if i see a Queer getting harassed on the street i will intervene.

And hopefully so would I. The harassers are not "righteous" even if they call themselves Christians. This is one of the reasons I can't stand some people who supposedly have the same beliefs as me.

This is because the constitution is in your favour. America is a vast country with a Bible belt bigger than the average Americans waist (oh, i slipped a wee one in there) and so Politicians and other political figures appeal to your kind in order to get votes.

True. But if this wasn't the case, I would try my hardest to obey my government without going against my religion. I am very grateful to live in the country I live in. It was founded by "christians" after all.

As for all your science that suggests gays don't have a choice. I cannot say that is not true because I haven't studied it. I'm no scientist. But since it is only the sexual act of homosexuality I disagree with I don't see why this is a problem. If a person loves someone of the same gender that is fine. We should all try to love each other. But even if gays are born attracted to men, that doesn't make them any hornier or less able to abstain from sex. It would just mean they have to try harder to do what is right. I do believe homosexuality and all the other sins I listed are societal disorders. People raised in certain ways are more prone to do certain things. That does not make it okay. I believe everyone has a choice. If you don't believe in choice, please tell me why you continue living? After all, if you can't decide how to live your life, what is the purpose of living it?

So did women in the early 1900's. I don't see whats so wrong about that. In the end you must agree that if we accept them the way they are there'll be less hate crime against them. We can accept them now and realise they're just like us, with different tastes, and in 10-20 years time be a little bit more civilised.

This is basically true. But how far do we take it? If homosexuality is accepted why don't we accept paedophiles, murderers, drug users, etc... After all none of them have a choice according to you. And if they do have a choice, they can change their way. You can argue with that logic. If they have a choice they can chose to not live the way they do, if they don't have a chose then nobody has a choice and we should give up all ideas of morality. Is what you that what you believe? That there is no such thing as morality and all life is meaningless? If so, I sincerely hope you at least try to live "morally" for other peoples sakes at least.

I don't think you can call these signs 'Godlike'. Possibly due to the first being down to Adrenalin. The second could be put down to self-respect. And the third down to good medical treatment and a positive attitude.

Sorry. I wasn't using the word miracle in that same sense. I just ment that we should appreciate the good things we have and not sham "signs from god" like PA was describing.

There a minor and thus its still rape. Besides, Paedophiles are vicious, manipulative people and the only way we can really combat them is by being more open with our kids about sex and our bodies.

That is true and it was sort of the point I was making. The people think it is right, truelly think it is, but it is not. And I commend your work to put another child molester in jail.

[QUOTE]But like i said and i believe you've already proved. The Bible cannot be proved to be Gods word. But anyway, what happens when they bring out a newer version of the Bible that declares that Homosexuality isn't a sin. Will you change your views?[QUOTE]

No. There is only one true Bible, and we have the Dead Sea scrolls and other references to show what it is. My grandpa, has actually learned aramaic and greek languages just to make sure the english translation of the Bible is authentic. If a human changed the Bible, it would not be the Bible, but a work of human altered literature.

I didn't realise they protested for "special rights". I thought the whole gay parade thing was to show that they're gay, its normal, people should just accept it and get over it. And also for the same rights as Heterosexual people have. Such as an allowance to be married, adopt kids etc.

What is the point of marriage. A legal bonding of man and women as one soul united. Two different sexes coming together as one. Marriage between two men or two women is meaningless. A woman is already a woman a man already a man. They do not complete each other, so what is the point of a big expensice legal ceremony? Also if they believe they are doing something right, does it really matter what the world thinks?

You imply that a homosexual should come to the right decision and become straight. That implys that they are doing something wrong or hurtfull. which they aren't. If you can give me one valid example of why it is wrong I will send you an envelope with 100 dollars in it. God said so doesn't count. Also the whole procreation thing doesn't count either. That doesn't really make a thing wrong does it?

Can you honestly say a homosexual man or woman leaving their spouse and kids for lust (you can love person without having sex with them) doesn't harm the family? I can't. Also what is wrong or hurtful? We all have different ideas about morality. I know someone who has a very hard life. He isn't gay (as far as I know) but his biological mother is and he has had some hard things to deal with because of it. His lesbian mother isn't harming herself or her partner, but because of her choice her kids no longer have a married father and mother and are not very socially adjusted.

SO THAT CHRISTIAN FREEDOM FIGHTERS WILL STOP BEATING THEM TO DEATH IN THE DAMN STREETS! YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES TO THE WORLD AROUND YOU. OUT OF ALL THE AWFULL AND TERRIBLE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THIS WORLD YOU ARE GOING TO CONDEMN HOMOSEXUALITY AS EVIL? SOMETHING THAT CREATES NO PROBLEMS IN AND OF ITSELF? JESUS CHRIST! OPEN YOUR MIND!

NO TRUE CHRISTAIN WOULD BEAT A MAN TO DEATH, NO MATTER WHAT HIS CRIME. MY EYES ARE OPEN AND I DON"T LIKE WHAT I SEE. I THOUGHT I MADE A POINT OF SAYING THAT EVERYONE COMMITS EVIL DEEDS. NOW I HAVE. I DON'T CONDEMN HOMOSEXUALS, THEY CONDEMN THEMSELVES. WE ALL CONDEMN OURSELVES. DON'T TAKE THE LORDS NAME IN VAIN AND MY MIND IS OPEN, JUST IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN YOURS IS.

Sydney you raise a very good point and I am not sure how I stand on the issue of people born both genders. I will just have faith in God that the doctors chose the right gender. Besides can't they give them hormones, since according to you the testosterone and estrogen levels control sexual preference?

In my opinion, Christianity is a primitive, outdated belief system that devalues human life and underestimates the complexity of the world we live in.

It seems to me a belief where humans are all victims of society and science devalues human life much more than Christianity. At least Christians believe that everyone has a soul and that everyones souls tries to do what is right and that when we die we have a chance to go to heaven