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But even so we do have a name and we do have official screen shots. Granted they are a year old but they could very well still be in the game. some of those images look to be completed CG work like that forest scene. These images are official wether it is a year old or not. It is our first bit of official information from OWI on StO none the less. But what I am saying is we have a whole slu of images that were created by OWI and are official. That to me at least counts as a spoiler before the game. And I recall when I joined here way back in Novemeber 2001 before the release date of Munch the Spoiler section was open and there was a lot of topics on Munch. It was never closed back then thats what I remember at least. I am with you AlphaScrab, but I don't make the decisions here so it probabaly won't happen.