*Spoilers!* Return of the King
 

DO NOT READ THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU'VE SEEN THE LORD OF THE RINGS: RETURN OF THE KING. THIS THREAD IS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
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Okay, I just saw ROTK today and may I just say......WOW! :eek: Clearly the best out of all three. It was so moving...*looks around*...I cried for for last half-hour of the film. No movie has ever done that to me...ever. This movie has to win Best Picture and PJ really deserves Best Director.

Your thoughts?

Oh, yeah...Gollum Sucks!:flames:

-oddguy:crying:

Wow.Is it really,really,really that good?I'm thinking I should go see "The Cat In The Hat" instead!

I'm gonna wait until it comes out on DVD.:fuzzle:

EDIT:Woopsys...I forgot about what you said up there.Sorry.

I don't have to do a 'spoilers gap', since this is a spoiler thread, do I? Nope. That's good.
It was a brilliant movie, easily the greatest of the three, I felt that in about the first hour. Although, I know they can't change it, because of the book and all, but I think it would have been more epic had Frodo also falled into the lava. I thought it was going to happen too (haven't read ROTK book). It also could have been a bit shorter at the end, after the ring was destroyed it was pretty boring. And can someone tell me what was actually sad enough to cry about? I can't see anything, since Gollum turned to a shit at the end, people wanted him to die, and Frodo went away, but that isn't really sad. They could have made it sad by as the boat floated away it blew up. But it wasn't. So please enlighten me of this 'sadness'.

THAT



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AMAZING

I was just going to make a thread about this.

Anyways I saw it Friday night, and not only do I think it was the best LOTR movie out of the three, but I think its one of the best films Ive seen in a long time. No film was able to have such an emotional impact in various parts of the film.

I definately think its time the academy recognizes Peter Jackson, and everyone else, and the film itself.

I really cant wait for the extended edition: Saruman's final scenes, the Mouth of Sauron, etc.

Sure the end was a long after the whole Mt. Doom part, but I rather like long epilogues, that actually explain in detail what happens to the characters in the trilogy.:fuzsmile:

The only thing that will ever top that triligy in my eyes is an Oddworld film. it was superb, absolutely brilliant, imo.

The battle of Pelanor was stunning, the Rohirrim were very moving and also stunning, the trolls were amazing. The scene where Denethor ate, Pippin sang and the Gondorians walked where the flowers were thrown was very moving and expertly done. Gollums character was expertly developed, he became very clever and conniving.

Sam was also superb, his character was one of the best. If Sean Astin doesn't win a whole load of awards for that performance then well.. he should (I finished that sentance lamely..)

I was however, slightly disappointed that the army of the dead just wondered in and destroyed every single enemy in a single swipe. That battle should've been desperate and the men shnould've won it alone, without the help of the dead. I was also disappointed not to see the scouring of the shire (though I knew it wasnt in it), that was one of my favourite parts in the book.

The witch-king was perfect, as was his battle and eventual death. I loved so much of it. The lighting of the beacons was almost perfect with truely sensation music that really made that scene, and Legolas killin' that Murmakil was pretty darn cool as well.

It was an extremely good end to a superb triligy and I really wanna see the extended version to see the utter demise of Saruman and possibly Wormtongue.

And last, but certainly not least, Liv Tyler was once again extremely beautiful as Arwen, imo. :)

It was just very emotionaly gripping and moved me so much at the part where Sam is holding Frodo and telling him that it was Spring in the Shire......yeah, I started crying and didn't stop until credits. To just see Sam's devotion and love for Frodo came across so real and genuine. We've all taken this journey with the fellowship for the past three years......you know the characters and feel like you're a part of them. No film has ever done that to me before. And when Aragorn tells the hobbits that they bow to no-one was very powerfull....especially when these four friends have all of Minas Tirth bowing to them in honor. I could go on and on about this movie......these movies. Absolutely my favorite movie trillogy of all time. And yeah, it was sad to see Gandalf leaving. Like losing a father to the little Shirelings. And after all Sam did for Frodo, he still lost his friend in the end. The ring brought them together...as well as seperated them. It was sad dammit!

-oddguy:fuzblink:

Yeah I would have to agree with most of the things Oddguy listed, and I will also add a few more.

Such as: I cant carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you.

Also, when Frodo is recalling the shire as Mt. Doom is exploding, and when he says, Im glad to have you with me Samwise Gamgee, here at the end of all things.

Yup...those too. I also agree with ya on liking the long epilogue at zee end. It explained what happened to the characters. I mean, it would have been really annoying if the movie ended at the part where the eagles pick up Frodo and Sam.

New Topic: Oh...dude. Shelob! Nicely done I think.

And Gollum made ya laugh a few times early in the film, but at the end you just wanted him to go away.......done on purpose obviously. I gotta tell ya though.....very creepy at the beginning where you see Smeagol kill Deagol. The violin playing as Smeagol smiles upon the ring over the body of his dead buddy just creeped me out.

-oddguy:fuzcool:

All I have to say is absolutely stunning. I saw it the first night last Weds and my jaw just droped.

I love the sequence with Shelob. Did you know Pixar worked on building her? They did an absolutly perfect job on her. The sequence itself represents the classic scenerio of the hero vs the beast in its layer. Perfect scene. I also love the part when Sam is running up the stairs in the tower and he starts moaning and pretending he is a threat to the Orcs. That was funny. Of any character that you love to hate in this film it would have to be the temp leader of Minas Tirth. Now there is a man gone mad.

But yes the whole movie itself was absolutely the best. And I am planning on going to see it again and again and again hehe!
It was very emotional as well. I myself shed a tear in the end of the movie. Mann Peter Jackson is a genus and since he did Lord Of the Rings he has to go and do the Hobbit. That will complete the entire Lord of the Ring Saga. Do you guys agree? Do you think he should do the Hobbit where it all began? I am looking forward to the extended version of Return of The King. Lastly mann I love the art work done in these I actually sat during the credits viewing the cool work.
Paramiteabe...:fuzblink:

I really hated Denethor, and I was glad when Gandalf just smacked him with his staff during the battle of Minas Tirith.

Yeah the whole Smeagol transformation to Gollum, was a cool touch too, yet very creepy.

But like I said I cant wait to see it again, and also cant wait for the extended edition.:fuzsmile:

Pixar? Where'd you hear that? I thought it was all done by PJ's special effects studio....WETA.

PJ would like to do The Hobbit.......he said it would be weird if someone else did it. I think we'll see The Hobbit on the big screen, but PJ will probably make us wait. Right now he's working on King Kong......the movie he loved as a child that actual inspired him to start making movies in the first place.

Yeah...me too. I can't wait for "The Art of ROTK" to come out in January. I have the previous books.

-oddguy:fuzcool:

Yeah Im pretty sure Pixar did not work on anything for LOTR. Weta is the effects company, unless theres an article from a reliable source I'd have to say chances of Pixar working on good ol Schelob, are not good at all.

Yeah, right now PJ is working on the Remake of King Kong, and then if they can get the rights from Christopher Tolkien, etc. they will probably do the hobbit.:fuzsmile:

I am so... so... so annoyed that it doesn't come out until christmas in australia! I've read the books, but there is so much of it that I would like to see!
No "The Scouring of The Shire" part? Damn! For all you non-readers out there, you're missing quite a chunk of the plot!

What it was, was that Pixar Joined forces with WETA they had a small hand in the developement of Schelob. I read this in a News paper. Mainly to do the animation of the creature. So Pixar had a hand in it. I was discussing this with Oddguy the other night on MSN.

The Hobbit will be great and I am pretty sure he is going to do it. Now I honestly hope the remake of KingKong will be just as good as the the classic 1930's version or the 1970's film remake of the 1930s original KingKong. Because Godzilla was a major
disappointment in the way the monster looked. I hope Peter Jackson doesn't do a similar mistake with Kong. Which I have no doubts he would make a mistake since this is Peter Jackson we are talking about. I mean the creatures of LOTR were very convinceing and well perfect in their looks. I just want to see for this new KingKong movie to have the classic prehistoric island in it along with the sequences like when Kong vs a T-Rex or other Dinosaurs.

Paramiteabe...:fuzblink:

OK well that makes sense.

I have faith in Jackson's ability, he knows how to use modern special effects very well, I mean look how WETA was able to create gollum. I also heard Andy Serkis may be doing the motion capture movements for Kong.:fuzsmile:

Yeah, but think of all Jackson has done. He majorly faught for these films. Miramax was the syudio PJ went to first and they wanted the whole trilogy cut done to one movie. Peter said No way and went to NEW LINE. I don't think we can pick on him because he did the best version of LOTR that was possible. ROTK is 3 hours 30 minutes, and I look at what critics say......they love the movie, but complain that it's way too long. Personally, I thought it was perfect. Sure, we lost a few things from the books, but in the end we have three fantastic films that in my opinion are the best movie trilogy of our time. There are just some things that only books can do for us.

-oddguy:fuzcool:

Yeah, you're right in both places. I look forward to it.

I'm very pleased with the end result. Sure they cut a lot and changed stuff from the book, but the films are great, and they did stay very close to a lot of Tolkien's material. I think its a great adaption, and would completely agree with Oddguy. The LOTR is one of the best trilogies, and the greatest films ever.:fuzsmile:

Okay, I have a question to all you 'bookians'. I've heard that Saruman was a very big part of ROTK in the books, but he was not in the movie. Can anyone sort of summerise (sp?) what his part was, and how the movie was affected by him not being there and things and stuff.

Well I am still reading the books as we speak. But I do know a lot about stuff from the book. What I do know was originally at the end of the two towers in the book, he fights gandalf again, and gandalf breaks Saruman's staff in two, making him powerless?

Anyways in ROTK the book, Saruman remains a prisoner in Isengard, and the Tower of Orthanc by the ents. And after the war with Sauron is over the ents believe he is no longer a threat and let him go. He then goes to the Shire with his assistant (wormtongue), and they basically take over, etc. This is where the scouring of the shire is. Eventually the Hobbits, and Frodo, Sam, etc. Rebel and fight him, Saruman is killed by wormtongue, and his spirit goes off somewhere else.

People who have read the book can fill in that rough outline with a little more detail.

I saw it yesterday, a wonderful movie! But, sadly, it was sort of ruined for me. I went to see it with my dad and two of my brothers. And my little brother didn't like it much. So he pounded his head against the seat, cracked his fingers, whistled(!) and ate hard caramels. Everytime there was a quiet sequence, you could hear him chew those stupid caramels with his mouth open. The deformed (the really ugly one, I don't know the right word) orc, every time he came on the screen my brother poked me simply because I had been joking with him earlier saying that orcs were sexy. Anyway...
Good:
- How Gollum was so evil! Tricking poor little Frodo....
- Shelob. I'm an arachnophobiac, so the first time she came on the screen I almost screamed. She was brilliant!
- The war outside Minas Tirith.
- The undead was nicely done. When the undead leader smiled, you could see his teeth clearly. When he closed his mouth, you could see that his lips covered the teeth and you could see his lips and his teeth anyway. Never seen a ghost like that.
- The orcs' fight in the tower. Whee :)!
- The really ugly orcish leader in Minas Tirith. Just loved the part when the humans threw rocks and them and he just took a step aside and spat on it.

Bad:
- The part when Éowyn fought the witch-king could have been better. I understand you get a bit too cocky with all the might that he had, but when she took her helmet off, he would've reacted faster. He could have done something to show his might, like stung his sword into the ground and then start talking to her.
- Why, oh why must Legolas be so super-heroic?! The oliphant part was just too much.
- I might have gotten this wrong, but it took a whole day and night to light the beacons, and the riders of Rohan got there in three days? Have I misunderstood everything?
- Gollum should have just burnt to death in Mount Doom. The fact that he laid in the lava staring at the ring wouldn't leave me alone.

Didn't Gimli and Legolas leave with the last boat from Middle Earth? When Shelob stung Frodo, why didn't the Mithril armor protect him?

There.

I agree with...

Good points. I thought about all of them...except the Mithril part. That hadn't crossed my mind. Maybe a sword can't get through because it is thick, but a stinger might be able to get through the Mithril mail. I dunno.

I absolutely loved the part when Legolas took down the Mumakil(Is that how you spell it?)...Especially when he skidded off the tusk. Brilliant!:D

-oddguy :fuzcool:

I dont really have any complaints other than I still wish they would have put Saruman in the theatrical release.

Didnt frodo get stung in the neck by Schelob? If so, then the Mithril would not protect him. Otherwise I see your point.:fuzsmile:

Well, I'm seeing ROTK again this coming Friday, so I'll look closer at the Shelob part.

-oddguy:fuzcool:

Yeah Ill probably see it again on Friday also. Man, I dont know how I can wait for this to come out on DVD, and also the Extended Edition.:fuzwink:

As the rest of everyone else says, I'll say that this movie was the greatest of all times. But...
* Shelob became more as a monster then a huge spider, but it was nicely done.
* I liked the way they did the dead king, you could see his ghost lips...awsome!
* i liked the deformed orc, when he took one step at the side and spitted the stone.

I just saw the extended edition of The Two Towers. And let me tell you, all forty minutes of stuff they cut, was all really important, and needed stuff for the theatrical version. All the character development, transitional scenes, background, etc. It made up for all those parts that needed to flow better.

I just cant wait now for the ROTK extended edition.:fuzsmile:

Yeah, I got Extended TTT for Christmas and watched it yesterday. It all was important.

Like how Wormtongue had the king sign the banning document. "He signed it this morning."

Also, it showed more Interaction between Awoyen and Aragorn. That part with the stew was so funny.
"It's...ummm, good."
"Really!?"

Well, more later. I'm about to step out the door to see ROTK again.:D

-oddguy :fuzcool:

No. Dude that movie sucks, i saw it, the direction is terrible, especially compared to LOTR ROTK.