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Abeguy 05-24-2003 12:26 AM

The mdokon hand: what's with the fingers?
 
I've noticed that throughout AO, i saw that mudokons have Four fingers, but in AE and MO, they had three. Why is that?:fuzconf: :confused:

Xavier 05-24-2003 07:25 AM

according to the FAQ of the official site:


Q: In the game I noticed that in the first game Abe and Mudokons have 4 fingers then in Abe's Exoddus they have only 3 fingers. What happened with the 4th finger?

A: Well, it's a long story that needs to be told. So here it is... Japan has a strict discriminating policy against any simulated characters entering their country with four fingers. Historically, Japan has had a subclass of meat packing workers that were typically looked down upon in their society. In later days, the blatant displaying of a four fingered hand gesture, intentionally directed at another, came to mean that you were calling them a member of the meat packing sub class. Which, we understand, was not at all a compliment.

It appears that the four finger connection with the meat packing class was due to work related accidents, but was so frequent that it came to symbolically represent the sub class. It seems as though this is a part of the Japanese history that some groups within Japan would like to see forgotten. Therefore, it is at great risk that you publish four fingered characters in Japan, as you may very likely end up in legal battles with a vociferous pressure group. This group claims that this type of representation is equivalent to and as degrading as the yellow star forced to be worn on Jews by the Nazi's during the Second World War.That is, it's offensive and degrading unless they can extort enough money out of you. Then it's all okay. Case in point: We were told that the Walt Disney Corporation is charged five million dollars a year by this group so that Mickey Mouse may live in Japan and retain his original four fingered design. Otherwise, old Mickey would need to see a surgeon and have something done about that insulting forth finger.

The moral of this story is... if you want to pay, then it's ok. If you don't want to pay, then it's a horrible insult to our culture. In other parts of the world we have a word for these types of two-faced tactics. We call it extortion. If it is truly offensive and degrading, then don't allow it at all. But to allow it for a price... is to belittle the case altogether. It suggests that the real truth behind these groups is that they are using the darker moments in their own cultures' history as an excuse to coerce money out of content providers.

Well, being that this is Oddworld, we felt that this seemed like a perfect addition to the Abe story. We thought it was ironically perfect that he was being discriminated against for being who he was. As the message came from Japan, "They don't like his kind here, with the sincere suggestion," Just chop off one of his fingers cause you don't have the money to pay up..." caused us to feel that we indeed needed to allow Abe to go through the suffering that goes along with being a poor slob at the bottom of the Food chain. Yup, we chopped off his finger so that the Japanese wouldn't get offended (or paid). He didn't like it one bit, but due to the fact that their ain't much he can do about it... we decided that he could donate his finger rather than us donating five million dollars. Such is life in Japan when you're a four-fingered meat packing worker.
And that is how Abe lost his finger in Japan. He's still pretty pissed off about it, but we convinced him that with the amount of games sold in Japan, he still might be able to get his message through to their culture someday. As a true believer in his cause, he felt that the sacrifice of a finger was but a small price to pay in hoping to shed some light on discriminations and injustices the world over.

Fez 05-24-2003 06:06 PM

you should post that up as a sticky for n00bs xav.

Xavier 05-24-2003 06:53 PM

I don't think so... I think it should be included in the FAQ of the forum to see on the FAQ of the Official site

Sekto Springs 05-24-2003 10:33 PM

i always thought abe broke it off or something when he fell after getting hit on the back by bigface until i read that story a while back:fuzblink:

Xavier 05-25-2003 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by sligslinger
i always thought abe broke it off or something when he fell after getting hit on the back by bigface until i read that story a while back:fuzblink:
and all the others mudokons too?:fuzconf: :rolleyes:

Sekto Springs 05-25-2003 11:39 AM

yea, sorry, but thats what im sayin, i read that story a while back, i was younger, didnt really think about it:fuzconf:

Reptile 05-25-2003 06:30 PM

why didn't they put in 5 fingers?

Xavier 05-25-2003 06:34 PM

probably because it would be too human-like

Sekto Springs 05-25-2003 07:27 PM

you know the same thing happened with vykkers only reversed, the early prod sketches the vykks had but 2 claws, now they have 3, see...
http://www.oddworld-fr.com/banque_images/0361.jpg
in that pic they had two
http://www.oddworld-fr.com/banque_images/0364.jpg
but in this one theres three
ps: it would be kinda funny if abe lost a finger ineach new game until the last game where he has no fingers

Reptile 05-25-2003 08:30 PM

thats good, where'd you get them pics?

Sekto Springs 05-25-2003 09:04 PM

off of xaviers site.....www.oddworld-fr.com
go to Banque d'images under the Annuaires catagory

Xavier 05-26-2003 05:13 PM

sligslinger
for vykkers it's normal they were still in production phase, so they may be changed, not once they appeared in a game

Abeguy 06-03-2003 03:56 AM

well, when i was playing AE. i saw that at the beginning when they come from the ending of AO to the part when he met the weirdos, before he farted, he had four fingers,but after he farted, i noticed that he had three. Zach Roy Wilson thinks that when he farted, the fourth finger melted because the fart smelled so bad:fuzcool:

Zach Roy Wilson 06-10-2003 10:24 PM

But, as you all know that is just me. LOL

slig_hunter72 06-10-2003 10:38 PM

I also noticed that in AE when Abe is walking through the desert he no longer has his hand scars! Anyone have an answer to that one? Did they just disapear temporarily?:fuzconf:

Weird...

Sekto Springs 06-11-2003 12:57 AM

come on slighunter! you should know it was a simple animation flaw, in fact at the good ending of AE, if you look closely at abe after the muds pile on him, he like freezes and doesnt move, he like paralyses, look carefully you'll see it.

Wil 06-11-2003 09:57 AM

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why didn't they put in 5 fingers?
Too much unnecessary animation required, plus it wouldn't look odd enough.

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I don't think so... I think it should be included in the FAQ of the forum to see on the FAQ of the Official site
Just wait for my FAQ, could be finished by the end of the day...

Xavier 06-11-2003 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Max the Mug
Just wait for my FAQ, could be finished by the end of the day...
a FAQ by you? I just need to see that, if it's good you will get a sticky (if it's a forum post, of cource)

Zach Roy Wilson 06-11-2003 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by slig_hunter72
I also noticed that in AE when Abe is walking through the desert he no longer has his hand scars! Anyone have an answer to that one? Did they just disapear temporarily?:fuzconf:

Weird...

No, the shadow-casting probably hid them. I dunno though?

Wil 06-11-2003 11:52 AM

Well I'm building it as part of TOE, but I'd happily create a Forum version when I find the time. That would mean more people could see it instead of posting the same questions over and over.

Zach Roy Wilson 06-11-2003 06:24 PM

I bathe in gravy... Long live Ed!

Reptile 06-11-2003 06:26 PM

i bathe in bubbly water

Xavier 06-11-2003 06:34 PM

Zach Roy Wilson and Reptile: STOP SPAM!
Max, I would be very glad if you can make a forum version of it, with a link to your site of cource



:fuzwink:

OANST 06-11-2003 11:47 PM

I'm pretty sure that alf actually answered a question on that and said that depending on the quality of the cables you are using you should be able to see the scars on that scene.

Dipstikk 06-12-2003 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by Zach Roy Wilson
I bathe in gravy... Long live Ed!
Sing it, brother!

Eds all the way!

Or, maybe just a few miles, I don't want to go that far...:D

Xavier 06-12-2003 05:06 AM

Dipstikk, please don't spam... this was pointless and not related to the subject

slig_hunter72 06-12-2003 05:00 PM

No guys, the hand scars aren't there. I just got to the scene with the 3 weirdos and they still aren't there. Its very Odd... of course, thats kinda the point :fuzsmile: