Beliefs: Gods, a little bit of Evolution, and Spirits
 

I'm sorry, but although I respect your beliefs, I still don't quite understand why you believe them. I'm not sure what it is about them that seems wrong, somehow, but it's there. My inability to comprehend your beliefs is as inexpressible as your beliefs themselves... :(

I'm a true Christian. My church follows the Bible exactly (a rare thing no matter what most Christians say). I try not to get to preachy because people tend to get pissed for some reason. If anyone is enterested about the word of God give me a PM. I am very open minded as long as what you say makes sense.

Some of you may be thinking, "Wait a second, in GD he is always talking about evolution on oddworld. So wouldn't that make him atheist?" The answer is no. I don't believe in evolution (I am fairly confident I can prove it didn't happen on earth, give me a PM if you are really interested... and open-minded) but oddworld is a work of fiction, so anything could happen there.

One last thing. Please don't bash my beliefs. It gets annoying.

I belive in physics. Enough said.

I'm PMing you about the Evolution thing, but one thing I'd like to point out here (before Emily or someone does) is that believing in Evolution does not make you an Atheist. You could be a Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, or any other religion and still believe in Evolution...

I would have to strongly disagree. To be a Christian you must completely believe in Jesus Christ and everything he said. Creation by one true God (as told in the Bible) was not done through evolution. Therefore, anybody who says they are Christian and believe evolution are hypocrites. It is one or the other or a blend in between which is it's own unique religion. There are so many different religions it is unfair that so many call themselves something which they are not. To me there is only one type of Christianity, the others are different religions no matter how similar they may be.

Sorry if that was preachy but I believe what I said is logical and true. And I'll get back to you on the PM eventually... but I'm a busy guy.

Actually, Dragadon, I think your beliefs are cool. Being agnostic myself, they seem especially sound, and very freeing. Do you accept converts?

I'm agnostic too, and I respect your beliefs as much as I do Christian/Muslim/Buddhist concepts that motivate a better world and can't be proven otherwise.

This works two ways. I'd say that you're equally 'right' compared to Christians. After all, both are belief structures, which by their very nature can't be proven. Of course, there's the additional difficulty that Christianity insists that it's possible to definitely know that it's valid - but only when you believe it, anyway. That makes it kind of difficult to debate the issue to any length.

Secondly, it kind of places your belief on shaky ground because it's also equally valid to somebody's belief that aliens colonised the Earth. So in that sense, I find it difficulty to believe in something unless there's a fairly convincing argument that it's possible. And based on my understandings and experience, I'd have to see I don't follow your sets of beliefs. But that's partly because we haven't shared the same experiences, which could make all the difference.

* I do have a big problem with people following their beliefs in a way that's detrimental to the lives of others. Either they should recognise that their beliefs are not facts, or confess that any superior being condoning such actions is somewhat despotic and unworthy of praise.

my religion is exactly the same as Khaz. everything Khanz has posted in the above, is right. Khanz your not alone.
(we have so much alike) anyway what he said is true. a true christian believes in the bible and in everything it says. but more importantly you must be born again. now you must be thinking what? born again? but how?. use your head and think about it.
you must be reborn as a christian your soul must be reborn. "for all have come short of the glory of God". but i am not here to preach. if you have anyquestions PM me. i have no further comments.

Why do you have to prove it in private, why not expose the fallacies of evolution to us all? I'm sure God would rather you disprove evolution to all of us as rather than a select few.Too busy for The Truth™? What would Jesus say? I disagree with you on your definition of what a a true Christian is. The crux of Christianity is a belief that Jesus died for the sins of man, and rose shortly after. Do you think God would send those who believe in the Riz to hell, simply because they eat bread and drink wine at communion?

I'm very interested in your proof that evolution didn't happen, you could be famous, you know.

Whenever this comes up on http://www.christianforums.com, it eventually curls up and rots into cyberspace. Aside from the billion other problems that plague some of these arguments, it's sort of difficult to debate something that can't be proven unless you believe in it already.

Or at least somebody with that conviction, anyway.

And to get the typical anti-evolution arguments out of the way:

1. Closed system. 2nd law doesn't apply.
2. Showing how atheism can't be proven doesn't strengthen the case for Christianity
3. Circular logic doesn't apply. You can't use the bible to prove Christianity. It's like using Lord of the Rings to prove that our ancestors were hobbits.

For my beliefs about evolution and 'gods' you are welcome to believe however you wish, I do not mind at all if you want to believe the same as I do in that regard.

However...if you are saying this about my spirit self I must say this: It is not something you can 'choose' to be...you either are or you are not. The only way I know of to find out is to do a bit of 'soul searching'. Meditation is one way to explore yourself. (Though I have never been successful in doing that...I was lucky...I discovered Sl'askia through a vision)
For some it takes a long time to make itself appearent, others it hits them like a sledge hammer, and yet others are in denial of their nature.
If you do try to discover if you are or not one of us...whatever you do...do not force it.

Edit: Kai and Khanzmer: No I don't think you are being preachy and you are being respectful of others beliefs, which is more then what I can say about the so called 'christians' on this board. I mean...gods...they believe the sun revolves around earth and the earth is flat! (and get a load of the intro to the general discussion board...)
I mean no disrespect to others beliefs...but I just can't help but shake my head at them...

Haha! I missed those!
They're funny. I tried to explain how the Moon orbits the Earth by physical means but they just ignored the proof and assumed I was sent by God to test them. They also think the Devil makes pop-ups.

I respect most people's beleifs but I can't respect some of their beleifs. One of their admins went to another board and tried to assimilate them.

Ditto what you said, I am a christian

No, because everytime you do you guys back away and get upset and cry about it. If you know that God does not exist, why are you getting so upset when people say you are going to hell when you don't believe in hell? God said he gave you life and a choice. He's not going to beg you to believe in him. The only sin he would not forgive is blashphemy or atheism. Jesus said to preach the gospel. Not to force anyone who does not. If you don't believe then that's you choice. Doesn't mater if the Riz take communion. God said if it does not acknowledge the holy spirit, then it's not true to God. They could be taking communion to please Siddartha (Buddha). I mean, Sydman your definiton of what a true christian is not that much in detail ither. Yeah it's the belief he died for our sins but their is more than that.

Excuse me? The evolution supporters get upset and cry about it? I don't think so, it seems to be the other way around. And where did I say that I know God doesn't exist? Plus, it's a sin to condemn others to hell - only God can do that.Pinky, you're rambling again. I was simply asking TheKhanzumer to show us all his proof that evolution doesn't happen, as he claimed he could. Also, when I said Riz, I meant the Risen Jesus. I was attacking TheKhanzumer's stance that claims his non-denominational Christianity is the only form of Christianity that will grant you a ticket to heaven.

Dragadon and Black Dragon, I know of a forum on ezboard that might amuse you:
http://pub89.ezboard.com/bouterkin

1- Yeah you cry about it all the time why don't you just admit it Sydney. Especially if people still don't believe you. If they just don't believe in evolution who cares and the same things with if they don't believe in God oh well. I don't condemn people to hell Your not so calm and trying to prove people that it's nothing but blind faith. Plus, what are you crying about now? I did not say that you said that you did not believe in God. I said people who don't in general. Also, God does not send you to hell, you send yourself to hell because It's all based upon the choices that you live. I don't even you are on the same level of discussion I am talking about man.

2- No comment.

For once will you actually just look at the question and answer it rationally, if at all? If you can't provide a good case AGAINST evolution, then how can you say that it's only a false theory?

Likewise, if you can UNDENIABLY prove that God exists, then show me why agnosticism is false.

1- Yeah evolution supporters cry about it all the time why don't you just admit it Sydney. Did you see me crying when Danny talked some negativity about the bible? (I think it's in the Elvis topic) No, I just ignored it. They get upset when people say if you don't, you will go to hell even though they don't believe in hell, that's Especially if people still don't believe your "so-called-evidence" I mean, I'm like what's his/ her deal? If people just don't believe in evolution who cares and the same things with if they don't believe in God oh well. I mean, your soul. I don't condemn people to hell, I know it's a sin but it's also a sin to try to force people into believing they don't want to believe. Plus, what are you crying about now? I did not say that you
that you did not believe in God I was talking to people in general. Also, God does not send you to hell, you send yourself to hell because It's all based upon the choices that you live.

2- No comment.

What would you define 'nature' as? I'm pretty sure parts for your PC were brutally ripped out of 'nature'. At least from my definition of nature, which encompases the entire universe...


Edit: Pinky, you said people who do homosexual acts would go to hell. That's what I'd call 'condemning.'

Here are my beliefs. Before I start I would like to say that they are silly, and completely based on faith, as I have no proof to back this up. See, that wasn't so hard Pinky.

I believe that there is a supreme being, but not so much as that he's some guy in white robes sitting up in the clouds. I believe it exists in the human subconcious. This spirit is the result of human faith, and did not create the universe. I believe in what our western friends call Karma. If you do good things, good things happen to you. If you do bad things... vice versa. Maybe not today, but your actions will bite you in the ass eventually. And so this "being" seperates fate from chance, and your actions come back to you accordingly. Because this "spirit" is merely in your subconcious, it is simply your direct actions that cause the reprecussions[sp] of fate. However, what of the people who have done no wrong doings, and bad things still happen to them? This is the variable factor, chance. No one's life is set up for them. There isn't some Son of God out there who has your life planned out. Live your life.

In conclusion, I beleive that there is no "supreme ruler of the universe" or "ultimate God", it is merely in the imagination. However, the collective human subconcious, has created something. Faith has played a role of fate and chance, but really it is one's own actions that they should be concerned about.

Sorry, I'm preaching. Believe or not, my 'religion' was spawned by a Japanese television series, Serial Experiments Lain, that really got me thinking about my own beliefs. And no, the ranting listed above wasn't in the series, it was a result of me thinking long and hard about what I believe in.

I have done many a time. Pinky is such a good damn debater!!

My beliefs...ahem;

God...well, she is this being that sits on her ass doing nothing. Her Angels float around and do all the chores such as letting the new arrivals pass the pearly gates.

Heaven...Heaven, clouds and white purity on the surface but underneathe that every persons dream of what they think Heaven is like. From Gaybars to Strip joints, Convents to Institutions. You name it, Heavens got it.

Angels...Angels are basically the worthy dead people. They have to be in Heaven for a minimum of 10 years before they can be promoted to Angels. All different ethnic groups can be Angels and all different sexualities etc. When on Earth in their natural form however Angels emit a bright light off their skin. So they basically look like people shaped lights.

Lucifer...Lucifer, the king of Hell. Works IMMENSLY hard running Hell, it is very hot down there (Thankfully he has air conditioning). He gets 90% of the worlds dead. Many of them though are merely down in Hell for a certain period of time, before sent to the Elders to be reincarnated. If they offend twice more they will spend their eternity in Hell. Once reincarnated the people do not recolect what happened in their previous life/afterlife. Many of the dead have to hack away at the Brimstone that surrounds Hell, creating new rooms for the born Demons that live there. The Dead that have been good for 20 years get easier jobs, such as designing the rooms and bars and so on and so forth.

Hell...Gigantic and Hot. Many rooms created by the prisoners. Two transport rooms were the 'Angels' of the apocalypse go to get to the surface of Earth. One room which is Oblivion's quaters. Lucifer's personal appartment. Lucifers throne room, were the dead come to be judged, so on and so forth (This is also the place they come to straight after being judged by the Receptionists. They usually drop down through the ceiling.). Many Casino's etc litter Hell for the amusement of the native Demons.

'Angels'...There are many Angels. Most act as prison guards but the higher ranking one's (Death, Pestilence, Famine, War & Michail.) have the job of capturing escaped convicts and 'bringing' them back.

Elders...The judge whether you should stay in Hell or be reincarnated.

Receptionists...They have the say whether you should go to Heaven, Hell or reincarnated. If they are indecisive they will get a 2nd opinion from one of the Elders.

Oblivion...A watery mass of neutral evil. He devours the outkasts from Hell, those who have attempted murder on the king of Hell himself will immediatly be sent to Oblivion. Who will devour them or turn them into liquid themselves to be stored for a later date.


Ok...so many of these ideas are from my game. But still *Shrugs* it sounds better than God = Good, Devil = Bad. I mean please. Since when was it as simple as that!!

First of all Sydney, the reason I will not "prove to everyone" as you put it is because sadly very few of you would actually consider my arguments. I said to PM because I don't want to waste my time. If nobody will listen, why spend time on a report? If you are genuinely curious and are openminded give me a PM and I will do my best to give you a response. I should also mention that I would use NO Biblical evidence to desproove the "facts" evolution. All science, I promise.

Ans I agree with the thing about people believing in a flat earth, etc. That is wrong. They give Christians a bad name. Science AND the Bible both say the earth is round (the Bible said it before scientists figured it out actually).

Here is a good website who's veiws I agree with totally. http://www.apologeticspress.org/cgi-...arch/search.pl Type evolution, big bang or whatever into the search and read some articles. If you don't think their points are valid I won't bother trying to convince you since this is where I get most of my research.

Well, I probably shouldn't participate in this argument, but I don't think that you go to hell if you don't believe in God. God is the one who chooses heaven or hell for us, right? And he's supposed to be the nicest guy ever, right? So why would he say, "Hey, this guy doesn't believe in me. He's Bhuddist. Well, I don't like it when people don't believe in me, so I'll send him to hell. Yep, he deserves to go to hell as much as that convict who killed 25 people deliberately with a machine gun."

This is just my opinion. I am not going against any of your religions, it's just what I think.

I hereby accuse pinky of heresy by three counts-Heresy by Word, Heresy by Deed and Heresy by Thought. You have three last chances. CONFESS to the heinous sin of heresy! Really now. I define Homosexuality as having an attraction to members of the same gender. This means a lot of people, many of them much godlier than most "christians" I know, have just bought themselves one-way tickets on the Bullet Train to Heck. Does this seem fair? And of course it makes more sense for a kind Buddhist who never killed a thing in his entire life, and did nothing but good for those around him to go to heaven than an axe-murderer who got "saved". Christianity, to quote Eric Idle, is no fun anymore. When people ask me "Are you saved?" I say, from what? When they ask if I knew I was born in satan, I say If I was born in Satan, I'd definitely be the first to know. This is not to say there are no good christians. I know a lot of people that do very admirable things. But they're not the majority. Most people think that if they make it to Christmas and Easter service they're doing OK. More than that, and they're having a good year. Yet they seem quite fervent in their ostracism of my beliefs. They use their Lord's name in vain like it was a conjunction. I go to a Catholic school. My atheist friend an I are more moral than most other people at school. I never say "God", because I'm not sure he exists, and it seems unwise to invoke his name. I have no doubt the Khanz and Kai are good and kind Christians, and I don't mean to criticize them. Green?

Re: Beliefs: Gods, a little bit of Evolution, and Spirits
 

This is where I agree.. but what has it to do with what's above? Is it supposed to be linked? Sorry, I'm tired and slow today. :fuzconf:

1. So instead of posting it in a public place for everyone to see, you want to send it individually to everyone. I see.

2. I'll listen.

3. That'll be a refreshing change from Pinky.

4. (Said with lots of contempt) You homophobe.