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Dequibenzo 02-21-2002 03:07 AM

A pattern arises... what about Squeek?
 
Okay, I have another rambling theory based on heresay, so here goes!
So far, the general moral of oddworld has been a fairly pro-nature, pro underdog one, with representative species of the different sides of major ethical arguments here on earth as the characters. The folks at OWI seem very intune to these sorts of things, not just evident from their games, but their policies on corporate sponsorship and support of organizations like amnisty international and free tibet.
So, first there was Mudokons vs. Glukkons, with the mudokons reprisenting the controversy over slavery and unfair labor, against the glukkons as big business tromping all over the labor workers in the name of profit. Huge, huge controversial issues right there. Then it was Fuzzles (And, consequently, Gabbits, through Munch) vs Vykkers, with fuzzles reprisenting animal experimentation and poaching, Munch obviously reprisenting the endangering of wildlife and extinction of species, and Vykkers as inhumane experimentation. Again, all gigantic modern issues of ethics. Our first heros are a slave and an endangered "animal" that is experimented inhumanely on. But what does this leave?
This is, of course, where we come to Squeak, supposedly the next hero of oddworld. If the past games' pattern is to be continued (which seems likely, with how OWI is doing things lately), then Squeak's plight will mirror another major ethical controversy on Earth. As to what this is, I think our biggest clue comes from what I think will be the next opponent species.
If Chroniclers are the next "villain" species, the one that Squeak fights against in the oddworld paradigm, then this gives us a big clue as to what squeak's hardship will be. Chroniclers, as far as I am informed, are the lawers and beuracrats of Oddworld. First of all, let me slap myself for having not figured out this logical step first- Duh! First comes big business, then environmentally unsafe science, so the next step of course would be a corrupt legal system! If this is the "evil" that the Chroniclers reprisent, then Squeak will reprisent the opposition to this.
Although this is where hypothosizing ends for lack of facts, I have a guess that's as good as the next, I suppose. My guess would be this- Let's say, for the moment, that Squeak is one of the Ratz. His name fits, they're a cool species with a great gimmick going with the Raisin, it just makes sense. Now, what if, because of new legislation passed by chroniclers, the native land of the mudokons is taken away from them? First of all, this is another good example of a controversy on earth- the robbing of native americans by the U.S government of their land. It also brings Abe right back into the fray again. One of the lands encroached upon could be the huge lake where Munch is rearing the gabbiwogs, just as much of the Native american land taken was the primary grazing ground of the american bison, which has suffered an equally morbid fate. So, Abe and Munch are back.
Now, what happens if, when glukkons invade the land with sligs and whatever new forces we get to meet, the Mudokons aren't able to take everything in time- especially big, heavy, extremely old, once were trees type of things? I'm speaking, of course, about the Raisin, who we know has a connection to the ratz. The Ratz, of course, have to find the raisin, for they are equally entwined with him. Squeak is the savior of the ratz, and of the raisin, eventually. Because all three Abe, Munch, and Sqeak have the same basic enemy here- the chroniclers, and their corrupt legislation that puts land rights in Glukkon pockets, plus the Glukkons once more for abe because of the offensive, and the Vykkers could come back for Munch and capture gabbiwogs for more experiments, the adventure starts anew. Plus, the pattern continues, with Squeak and the Ratz reprisenting spirituality, wilderness and tradition, against the chroniclers, reprisenting modern government's ceaseless drive for expansion. It all fits.
Now, what comes after Squeak? Who knows? It's really kind of depressing when you think about it, but there is no shortage of actions and groups on earth with highly questionable ethics. Perhaps we will see Oddworld have a war between Glukkons and some new agressor from another continent, or maybe a species of highly religious zealots following false principles turn the Mudokon faith into a scapegoat for all societie's ills. We could even see an Oddworld halocaust, if things get serious enough. Who knows?

Wheh, if I'm making these things too long, tell me.

bluetiger 02-21-2002 03:36 AM

yes, it is too long, and what u said.....hmm.....

Cool Paramite 02-21-2002 05:27 AM

Interesting theory.

HI Abe333!

Dequibenzo 02-21-2002 08:06 PM

okay, I'll try to keep em down in the future

By the by, Cool Paramite, why did you pick the Atogatog as your little picture dealy?

Danny 02-21-2002 09:31 PM

Is "Ratz" the official spelling? Ugh... How Hip-Hop...

I agree with more or less what you've said. That is probably the way it's going. However, I almost hope it isn't, since I don't like it when things are as black and white as Oddworld has been so far... I hope in the future to see things more from the Industrials' point of view, and get a more balanced view of life on Oddworld.

It's not going to happen, though. They've already copped out of that by putting every Social Class as a different species...

Majic 02-22-2002 01:23 AM

hm, you have very well thought out and fancy ideas. i dont really care aobut the length, these are very good.

ODDBODD 02-22-2002 06:50 AM

i think that squeek wont be in mudos at all and will be in a whole new country with whole new species.

Cool Paramite 02-22-2002 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by Dequibenzo

By the by, Cool Paramite, why did you pick the Atogatog as your little picture dealy?

I just thought he was funny.

One, Two, Middlesboogie 02-22-2002 07:50 AM

I like your idea a lot, Dequibenzo. But I second everything Danny said.

Dequibenzo 02-22-2002 09:58 PM

Well, if you guys like these, then stick around. I have alot more theories, and an ergonomic keyboard for speed typing. I want to hear what more people think first, though...

Danny 02-22-2002 10:20 PM

oh greta, just what we need, anotehr theorist,,, weve got quite enough nalreayd///

Majic 02-22-2002 11:06 PM

wow dan, thats the most typo'd post iv ever seen you do. but dont you even feel the slightest interest in these ideas? Oddworld is fun to htink about and hypothetize, a different planet. but if this is one of your jokey things, ignore everything ive said...

Shrykullmaster 02-23-2002 11:00 AM

i like that idea... it fits very well in the oddworld seres i think the chroniclers will play a large part in the game as squeeks nemisis i wonder wat it would be like to play as 1 of those ratz they must move fast

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR 02-23-2002 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
oh greta, just what we need, anotehr theorist,,, weve got quite enough nalreayd///
What have you been drinking?

Xavier 02-23-2002 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR


What have you been drinking?

SoulStorm Brew I suppose

Danny 02-23-2002 08:06 PM

Sorry about that, peoples... I was quite fcuked [Not a typo - anyone heard of French Connection? Foul place]... I only had a couple of pints, a glass of whiskey, and one pipe or hash, but I hadn't eaten much that day, so it kinda had more effect than it should have done...

Of course I am interested in his ideas! There have just been certain "theorists" here (who shall remain nameless) who have overloaded us with stupid ideas... Dequilabenzo's theories seem good, though, so I'm sure I probably won't get sick of [I've just realised I don't know your gender, Deq... :(] him/her...

Sal the Mudokon 02-23-2002 08:47 PM

We have too many idiotic theorists who just post the ideas that they thought up while, to use Dan's post as an example of some things that can lead to dumb theories, on a couple of pints, a glass of whiskey, and one pipe of hash. But Dequibenzo, you have some good ideas, and im looking forward to more of them. Maybe they will shut down the pathetic ideas of some of the other members of the forums. Wash clean the forums with your wisdom.

Yachiro 02-23-2002 09:46 PM

:claps:
nice, Dequibenzo,actually I agree with your ideas.

ODDBODD 02-26-2002 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by Sal the Mudokon
We have too many idiotic theorists who just post the ideas that they thought up while, to use Dan's post as an example of some things that can lead to dumb theories, on a couple of pints, a glass of whiskey, and one pipe of hash. But Dequibenzo, you have some good ideas, and im looking forward to more of them. Maybe they will shut down the pathetic ideas of some of the other members of the forums. Wash clean the forums with your wisdom.
ooooooo......harsh

Tree 02-26-2002 11:37 AM

very cool Idea
 
very long but cool theory. I can wait for the next game to came out but I'm not in a rush.I like the idea and I love the cute little ratz beeing the main story and all. I just don't like the O mighty Raisn that Much. I would never eat raisns with four eyes......wait a minute, I hate raisns. :D

Anyway, I like the theory you have.....do you writ stories?
:fuzconf:



In GOD...I mean in OOD we trust.
(both ways I guess) ;)

Dequibenzo 02-28-2002 02:54 AM

Aww, I feel loved.
Dequibenzo- Male, from Colorado. And, before anyone asks, I know it's a weird name- he's a character from one of my books. Yes, I'm a scifi author (please don't beat me up!) and a philosopher (if you beat me up, you're really beating yourself), so oddworld is just up my alley. Right now, I'm working on an explanation for why Gabbiar and mudokon eggs both look completely different from the eggs you hatch from when you die in MO.
But, getting back to the point, I wonder what good ol' Lorne will do for the Chronicler voices? I'm thinking a stuck up Oscar Wilde-ish attitude, or maybe matlock.

ODDBODD 02-28-2002 08:26 AM

beat you? im an author myself but i dont call myself that, i just write books for the fun of it.

Dequibenzo 03-01-2002 04:34 PM

I should've guessed.

Danny 03-01-2002 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Dequibenzo
Aww, I feel loved.
Dequibenzo- Male, from Colorado. And, before anyone asks, I know it's a weird name- he's a character from one of my books. Yes, I'm a scifi author (please don't beat me up!) and a philosopher (if you beat me up, you're really beating yourself), so oddworld is just up my alley. Right now, I'm working on an explanation for why Gabbiar and mudokon eggs both look completely different from the eggs you hatch from when you die in MO.
But, getting back to the point, I wonder what good ol' Lorne will do for the Chronicler voices? I'm thinking a stuck up Oscar Wilde-ish attitude, or maybe matlock.

Chroniclers should speak like Librarians...

Dequibenzo 03-02-2002 03:50 PM

Yeah, that works. Real prudish and monotone. And they should be immune to possession, since they're intelligent. Or, maybe you could, and maybe they could command gluks, and gluks command sligs, and sligs command slogs- that'd be cool, a puzzle where you possess a chronicler, have him order a gluk through a maze or something, then possess the gluk, have him command a slig through another maze or puzzle or whatever, then possess the slig to lead a slog, then possess the slog (because you can do that in MO) to go through a crawlspace nobody else'll fit into, then... I dunno, kill someone, or something. I just think they need to bring back the real complicated puzzles again, since they're gone in MO.

Danny 03-03-2002 08:03 PM

I don't think Chroniclers are socially superior to Glukkons, personally. They're all Middle-class...

ODDBODD 03-08-2002 09:50 AM

thye should have a creaky squeeky voice

Lantra 03-09-2002 01:23 AM

that is a very interesting theory, i think though that goverment will come later in the games, perhaps next will be consumers or something.

Lantra 03-09-2002 02:50 PM

i was wondeing where did u hear about chroniclers?

Xavier 03-09-2002 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Lantra
i was wondeing where did u hear about chroniclers?
we just know they are bankiers and we have one pic of them