Our Conversation
i have decided to post the conversation i have just had with pinky, because i think we both gave our best arguments in it...
"An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life" is me, and "Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!!" is Pinky... *** *** Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: hello... An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: pink? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Ha! An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: there you are An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: u there? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: how are you today? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: go to hell An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: look, i had hoped we would be able to have a civilised conversation, but clearly that is beyond you Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: yeah right, I read that reply in that harry potter Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: why are you acting so nice now? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i was angry then An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: because you kept insulting me Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT MY CHILD HOOD AND MY GOD!!!!!! >: Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: > : An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: shame the anger one doesn't work Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: crap An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: heh Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: wrong clip art An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: we've all searched, but it looks like there's no agry emoticon Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: heh Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: wow An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: try >: ( Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: You can talk all this mess in the forums, but I swear, I would hurt you Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: > Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: oop! Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: >: Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: oh well An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: look, i insulted you because you insulted me An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: fair is fair Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: in what reply?!! Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: you don't fight fire with fire Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: two wrongs don't make a right Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: were you ever taught that? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: you repeatedly accused me of being a hypocrite An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: yes, but one wrong doesn't make a right either An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: weren't YOU ever taught THAT? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: wow! Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: *claps* Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: You call me stupid? That's dumb judging people who you don't know Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: they may act different in real life you know An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: 'who i don't know'? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i know they might all act different in real life An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i know i do Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: yeah, right An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but why do you feel the need to be so agressive on the forums? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: you guys take stuff so seriously and believe everything An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: WE take things seriously? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: what about you in Sodd's bible topic? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: seriously, why do you find the idea that people disagree with you so bad? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: what about sodd's topic Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: because alot of people are atheist in that forums An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: you took him very seriously in that topic Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and I'm sick of people changing my words around Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it's really daniel An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: well, we are sick of you doing that to us Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I just said that I think that harrry potter is evil Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: that's it Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and he's well, don't argue Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and I was like What the? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: what are you talking about? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: you guys do, you can't take jokes or anything Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: especially christians are on the board, you want to disagree with them and call them stupid and closed-minded and stereotype them all the time An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: so you are joking about the whole fundamentalist christian thing? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: even when It's like a God debate, they are like christians are blah blah blah Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and I get offended and mad Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: not all chrisitans are the same An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but we are not like that Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: not all of them say "If you don't believe in God, you will go to hell." Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: HA! Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Not all of you are An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: like i have said, christianity is great, when it teaches people to be nice to each other Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: but i have been seeing it An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but when people start to think that things that disagree with them are evil, that is when i dislike them Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: christians are not perfect An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: nobody is Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: so? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it's speaking your mind An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but you could at least admit the possibility that you might be wrong Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: i can see if i said "No, your wrong." Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: And 'm right Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: did I say that Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: no An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but you do Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it sounded like you guys want me to give up my faith and be atheist Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: no i don't Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: i never said that your wrong An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: we have offered you all sorts of evidence, and all you have offered is "the bible doesn't say that" Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: i was like okay, you believe that, whatever An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but you weren't Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: that's you opinion Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: what evidence! An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: you were like "the bible doesn't say that, so you shouldn't Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: you have no evidence Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I'm sorry Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and people are evidence? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: puhlease An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: so a book written by people IS evidence, is it? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: bible was written by god An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: don't be naive An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: it was written by people Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: people get caught up in so much, they don't even know anything about the bible Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: that's not naive Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: You can't remember what you did last year man! An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: whether or not it was written by people who were told to by god is another matter Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: You can't remember what you did this morning, or what you thought this morning An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but even if god told them what to write, they still wrote it Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Only God can An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i can't? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I can't even remember what I was thinking this morning An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: why do you think i can't? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i can Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: yeah An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i was thinking "do i HAVE to get up now...?" Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: what about two weeks ago? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: which day exactly? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: what did you say in your mind 6:30 pm Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: last week Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: see what i mean? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: what day? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: i can't remember what i did 2 weeks ago Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: 6:30 pm Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: last wednesday Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: 4:00 pm Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: what were you thinking An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i was hurrying up to get to YTY An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: oh, 4? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: you keep changing your mind An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: anyway, you are just trying to blind me, how does any of this prove the existence of god? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: pinky? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: well? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: No, it proves that man cannot write the bible without guidance from God, and noway we wrote the bible from every detail like that Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: wel, want me to tell you what I was trying to say in the forums? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but the details are wrong An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: most of it is metaphor An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: and stories Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: How can you prove that? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: not all of it An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: ok then Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: well, what makes you say that? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: what was jesus doing at 4pm, the 3rd august, 12AD? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: look that up in your bible Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Rettick..it was in the bible times Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: they had no clocks Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: duh An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: hah! Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: b.c. times? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: so what makes you so sure they remembered things, then? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: puhlease An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: hmm? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: they had the sundial Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: remeber the times you mean Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: ? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: or the events? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but you said that the fact that i couldn't remember exact times is proof that the bible was written by god - if the bible doesn't give exact times, how does that prove anything? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: both Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it was approximately Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: people don't know An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: so how does it prove god wrote it, then? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: bible had like days, and talks about sunrise and stuff like that An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: so what was he doing at sunrise on that day, then? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: He old people what to write An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: ah, so now you change your story? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: No, I said that man alone did not write Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I said guidance from God Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: stroll up abit then Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: God guide them through what to write Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Just like Moses An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: bible was written by god An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: that is exactly what you said Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: My friend did that Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: stroll up alittle more Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: n Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: anyway, you are just trying to blind me, how does any of this prove the existence of god? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: pinky? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: well? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: No, it proves that man cannot write the bible without guidan An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: yes, but you also said "bible was written by god" An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: those were your EXACT words Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: rom God, and noway we wrote the bible from every detail like that Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he actually told them what to write An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: pinky, how do you know that they didn't just make it up, or exaggerate it? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Well, people who would do such things like that, would either get killed or that page made all over again Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: bible is the oldest book out there An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: why would they get killed? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: stoned to death Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: just like, if you sin in the old testament Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: you will get killed too Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: unless An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: yeah, but how would anyone know? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: you sacrafice a sheep to God Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: a pure one An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: that is cruel An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: that is why the bible is nasty Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Yes I know An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: a true, caring god would never demand sacrifice Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: It was people's culture too An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but how would anyone know if they made it up? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and God did that because he hates ugly Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: sin is nasty to him Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: People would know Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Okay Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: do you have a bible at home? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: no Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: not all of the bile is nasty Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: That's why Jesus died for us Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: why you say? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: that's what i mean - there are nice bits, and nasty bits that contradict the nice bits - so it can't ALL be true Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: But wait Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: It's quite easy to explain, it's not contradicting An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i am glad we've had such a civilised conversation about this Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: The bible had people's cutures in them Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: you welcome Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I was mad and I did sounded weird because My words were changed around soo much by daniel brown Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: And I did'tn even know I was arguing about anymore Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I mean, what made me argue An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: he is right, in that you ought to check over things to make sure they are spelled and puncuated, then we would understand you better Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: but sometimes be goes too far Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: be balled at alector's english and blue Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I mean, who is he? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: she Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he can't talk Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: daniel is a he Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: is'nt he? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: olh right Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: or she An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i thought you meant alector Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: alector is a she Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: they got so pissed at him and actually told him off Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: You just want to say "ooh, shut-up!" Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: LOL Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: have you read the bible before Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: ? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: no, not all of it Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: which parts? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: don't be offended, but it is kinda boring... An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i have read little bits Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: maybe because you don't understand it maybe An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i don't know the whole framework, so i can't place them An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: no, it's the language Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: God talks in spirit Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: There's NIV version An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: the language is why it has been misunderstood by so many people Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: that's what we speak An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: including [i think] you Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: King james version is the old version Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: the elizabethan language Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: NIV is modern english Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: try that one Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it would be easier An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: it's all very odd... Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: eew, daniel's on An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: he is? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: invite him in... j/k Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he replied on the potter crap Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: not on msn Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: the forums An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: ah An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: can i say something? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: right now? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: yes An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: without you flaming and getting mad Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: i was mostly talking to daiel brown Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: not you An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: look, can i tell you what i think, without you getting mad? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: yeeaah An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i think it is silly to say Harry Potter encourages satanism, just because it is about magic. as i have already said on the forums [and you ignore me] crime books don't encourage crime... An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: it is just fiction Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I know Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: but because that book, I see kids like wanting to do witchcraft and cast spells and curses on people Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: It's scary Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Just like some violent cartoons are fiction An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: look, not all magic is bad Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: but little kids are innocent Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: they don't know An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: you are just stereotyping Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I'm talking about witchcraft Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: nooo Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: we have witches in our schoo An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i know witches Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: some use to be friends with An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: they are not evil Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: they started to try to cut themselves and stuff Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: i know Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: the act is Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and they like sing these hymms and stuff Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: what is the magic coming from? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: not God Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he's against it An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: themselves An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: magic is within us Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it would;nt make any sense An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: it doesn't come from anywhere else Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: humans don't have powers Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: were mortal An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but we do have potential Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: well, if we have magic, then we could live forever and put spells on us that make us youth Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: explain the skulls and cutting of themselves? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: that is just for show Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: How come some are even demon possessed? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: we can't all access our potential An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: things must be learned Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and flotting around the room Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: demon possed? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: yeah right Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: that's not learned Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: that's scary Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Devil is a spirit too Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: He's tricky Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and will make you think that that's not evil Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: just like he tricked adam and eve Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: witchcraft is scary sometimes An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: yes, but it can be good Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: how An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: what have witches ever done to you personally? please answer this, don't just say something irrelevant Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: try to put spells on me and my friends because we believe in God Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I think cause I wrote in in a speech english An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: what spells did they try to put on you? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: we had to talk about ourselves Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: i think they found out Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I just said that i was christian Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: like evil spirits in my houses Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: fails our test and crap Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and they even try to put a spell on my friend to make her fart in front of her boyfriend so he won't date her An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: that's bollocks, they're not real witches, just ignore them Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: explain the cold mist in my house? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and the loud steps? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: no one was in my house Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: no windows nor air conditioned An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: ghosts... Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: explained the skeleton in my house! An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: what? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I had to get my house prayed over Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: they were so stupid and evil Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he said his name was johnny Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I swear! Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I'm not lying Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it was like raddling sounds and a head peaking out Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: i had to sleep with my mom Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: i was soo scared Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: they stopped because they found another victim to bother An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: well, it was the people that were evil, not the magic An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: like, a knife isn't evil Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: ha Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: the magic got over there heads Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and called apon satan An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: no... An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: satan has nothing to do with it An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: the evil comes from within Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: ha! Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Ever since they called apon satan, all that stuff begin to happen Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: devil hates people and he wants to live miserable lives Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: *us Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: to live miserable lives Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: satan is not good Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: that's why he got kicked out of heaven An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: good and evil both come from within, not from outside An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: that sort of thinking is just evading responsibility Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Satan does'nt do evil? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: what is he some kind of angle to you? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i am not saying that An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i am saying that [i believe] he doesn't exist, except within us Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: huh? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: satan is a part of us An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: as is god An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: they are not some separate thing outside An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: they are a part of our minds, of our sould An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: souls^ Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: satan is'nt a part of me An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: a part of each and everyone of us An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: yes he is An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: he is in us all Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: noo Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: eew no! Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: He can't be An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: him and god are there all the time, they are the evil within us Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: want me to tell you why? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: and the good Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: God does not work with evil An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: no he doesn't Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he hates evil Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it's like poop to him An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: yes he does An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: you are right An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but they are not outside us, they are within us, influencing us An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: now, which one we listen to is up to us Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: yeah but, there is no good in satan Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: what he did to god was hideous Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: so hideous An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: what did he do? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: that made got kicked out of heaven Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: well Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: For starters, Satan use to be soooooo beautiful. OMG he was! He could sing and everything Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he was the top angles Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: *angels Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he was gorgeous An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: so what happened? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: well Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he would always tell the angels what god wanted him to say Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: like tell them to do duties for him, and every one had to parise him Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: until one day Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he kinda got sick of it Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and he was jealous Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: God gave him everything! Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I mean the works. Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: But Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: satan had too much pride Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he thought that he deserved the glory that god had Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he wanted to be god An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: what did he do? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he told God that Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: God said that he does'nt share his glory with anyonw which i don't blame him Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Devil got angry Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: one third of the angels, he tried to get them against God Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: he was like "Why does he deserve all the glory and I'm doing most of the work?" Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I bring his duties out Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and those angels did agree and try to rebel Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: What did God do you say? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Well, Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: To show how he uses his power, and how he controls it, he allowed the devil to continue that pride An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: pinky, i have decided something Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: lucifer (satan) and one third of the angles try to rebel Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: God eventually got sick of it Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: hmmm?? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: we have both made some of our best arguments here An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i am posting this conversation on the forums Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: yeah Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: go ahead An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: oki Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: people would probably be against me again! lol An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: just a minute Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: but if you think that satan is within us An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: people aren't against you because of your beliefs, they are against the way you express them Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I have no problem with what you think Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: yeah Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it's hard writing what you mean on the net An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: it is Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it'sbetter in person Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: better understanding An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but the main difference between your beliefs and mine is that i am not CERTAIN that i am right, whereas you are Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: want me to finish the story? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: yeah go on... Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: well, i'm not saying that your worng, i'm still learning the bible myself Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it's like being a baby An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: yeah go on Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: you know when they drink milk in order to grow and have all the nutrients and stuff? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: That's what it's like bing a christian Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: we have to read the bible in order to grow spiritual in faith An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: that's what i don't like Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Oh Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: hmm? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: the way you can suddenly become good just by reading a book Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: reading the bible all the time? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i think that the only way you can be judged that way is through your actions Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: well, it's good because christ showed an example Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: That's why christians want to be like him An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: yeah, but in the end it's how you act that judges you An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: and that is the same whatever your religion Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: true An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: they all have role models Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: true An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: Jesus, Buddha, etc Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: but some people are not going to go by there religion An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i just suppose i have an aversion to christianity because it always tries too hard to impose its own way of thinking onto others An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i know Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: But, it does'nt make sense to be christian and know everything about hinduism and not know about your own religion and try to go by it. Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: That;s being strange An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: when did i say that? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: because I do learn about other people's religions but I just may not believe in them Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: oh, oops, i'm moving ahead Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I hate it when people think that christians are perfect people, who don't have fun and just go to church all day and not do anything. An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: learning about religions is fine, but you shouldn't try to force your religion on them Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: Also, thinking that we condemn you to hell Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: if you don't believe in God, that's fine Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: I just want to share what my religion is about An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: it says so in the bible, doesn't it? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: so peopel who never read the bible would say stupid things An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: isn't one of the commandments "thou shalt not worship any other god" or something? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: and try to judge it when they never read it Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: yup Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: God only want us to worship him only An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: but doesn't he condemn people who don't to hell? Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: well, actually God does'nt send you to hell, you send yourself to hell Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: hell was not made for us Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: it was made for stan Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: *satan Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: not stan Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: lol An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: i know for a fact that the unbaptised are not allowed into Heaven... An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: which is totally unfair An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: and not like the good god that christians claim to worship Why are all the Cute Guys Gay???!!!! says: well want me to explain that for ya? An Ordinary, Boring Person living an Ordinary, Boring Life says: please do *** *** then she did, she said something about confession, but unfortunately i was disconnected before i could save that bit... opinions? good and bad points about each of our arguments? c'mon, i need tips, i have joined a debating group at college... :D [ October 22, 2001: Message edited by: Rettick ] |
I'm probably going to end up kicking myself for getting involved in this, but I do have some things I'd like to say.
First of all, I don't believe that one must read a book in order to grow spiritually. I don't believe in religion because they all think that "everyone else is wrong" and that they're faith is the only faith. Secondly, I agree with Rettick's reasoning on both having "god" and the "devil" inside of you. It's completely impossible to live in such a state of imbalance i.e. "only having god inside of you" The universe would simply fall apart. I do not agree that spirits=satan/evil. I've been possesed by spirits before, **Christians: I know what you're thinking** and it's more helpful than anything. Sometimes they just want somehow communicate with you or experience what it's like to live again, so they'll "ride inside of you." Only spirits that are SO determined to perform an act in the physical world or meet a particular person will take control of the host in order to accomplish this. If one is ready to die, then they simply journey to the spirit realm after their body dies. If they have too strong of an emotional tie to a physical object or person, then they don't go onto the spirit realm and are stuck in "hell" (the physical world) until they finally let go of whatever they were pining to have or do. I seem to have been rambling, but this is what I believe. I consider myself a spiritual person- but not of a blind faith of somekind. One has only to look inside of themselves to see the light. I also respect other's beliefs because I want them to respect mine. |
I didn't have time to read the whole transcript thoroughly, so I just skimmed over it. Some good points were made, I guess. In regards to Harry Potter, J.K Rowling once said that she was puzzled by the condemnation of her works from Baptists across America. She went on to explain that the morals of her novels were about good versus evil, with Harry helping to eliminate evil-doers. Rowling said she wonders if her critics have even read her books.
Pinky, "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." - John 20:29. There's no evidence supporting the bible, so you must believe in it on faith alone. |
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Having re-read what Pilot wrote... About the spirits part - it's actually pretty scary, as (sorry if I sound corny) my housemate "sees dead people". Every now and then she'll just freeze and say in this tiny voice "there's someone in the room." She seems to see WW2 airmen, most of the time - the scary thing was, the father of a WTC fireman (I think) came to her one evening, and said his son was trapped, with a few other people, they were alive but trapped in a small, confined space under the wreckage. It was either the next day, or the day after, they dug those fireman in the 4x4 out... [ October 23, 2001: Message edited by: Teal ] |
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You know the strange thing is ... that although I would consider myself a Christian... I guess I am not what you would call a sterotypical Christian. This is because, whereas I believe in God and Jesus and the bible... my faith kind of wanders into other areas. Like the stuff that Pilot mentions. I believe too that there are spirits out there (I belive there are good and bad spirits). And I do believe that some people have spirits guide and help them, but I don't think this is evil like many Christians would (they would say that it's devil possession or something).
I also speculate about different things... like creation (I don't think the world was created in 7 human days, but more of over a period of time... and that God created the Big Bang to create the universe), and death (I believe in a heaven, but I also believe that not everyone can go to heaven... that there must be a "half-way" place for those that are not evil, but not perfect either ... as heaven would be pretty crowded otherwise. And I seem to think that your spirit goes somewhere while waiting to go to heaven. So maybe there is a place for "spirits" to go). And I think there were other people on Earth other than Adam and Eve (hey the people from the Land of Nod had to come from somewhere). There's lots of other stuff... but I won't go into it and bore everyone (plus I'm not one for a religous argument). I'm also a very open minded person who accepts others beliefs. In fact, it's unfortunately some Christians that are wrong as they say you "must" do this and "must" do that. It really gives us a bad name, when there are many like myself who believe but believe in other stuff also. After all, if you are Christian, it says that God created us to make decisions, so who says that we "must" do what. OK... maybe I'm saying some weird stuff that isn't what some would say is Christian stuff... but as I said, I'm not stereotypical and have my own beliefs that tie in with my view of Christianity. And I think it's good to be open. Abe Babe... |
Tips: Okay you might be speaking your mind and all but I think some Christians would find that offencive!! I don't!! But thats just me(I'm christian)!! It's good and long but you repeated yourself a few times but other wise! Brilliant!!
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I know I can't do anything about it, but I hate it when some people think that we are going to condemn them and saying, like Abebabe said, "you must do this or that", and never had fun. it does seem like to give christians a bad name sometimes. I don't go around and saying "Oh, you don't believe in God so oyur going to hell." Or say that I'm perfect and don't do wrong because I do. Christians are regular people.
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Yeah your right, you believe by faith but, in order to have faith you have to read the word of God, the bible. hear the word, believe, repent, confess, get baptize, are the five steps of salavation. God talks through you through the bible. If you don't read it, your faith will be weak. When Jesus rose from the death, his deciples and everyone saw him. But we haven't seen it. We have to read the bible in order to have faith in his existence. Understand? I can post a scripture if you like on that.
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Teal, I'm like your housemate. I just know when there's "someone" in the room with me. I don't get scared or anything like that because I know that they're not going to do anything. If I really want them to leave, I'll tell them to leave, and then they're gone (most of the time.)
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I'm intrigued by thing Rettick was talking about where you could have God and Satan both living inside of you...I alwaysthought the concept of "Satan makes you do bad things" and "God makes you do good things" was kind of weird...If some outside force (Satan) makes you do bad things, then how come God would punish you? I always thought that being good or evil was totally your own choice. If you can't take responsibility for your own actions ('Satan made me do them'), then you aren't a human. I don't think/really hope that we aren't just puppets for God and Satan...I don't know. This goes back to the whole "Good vs. Evil" and "Light vs. Dark"...I also think that without one aspect (i.e. only satan or God lived in you) than you wouldn't be human...Light always casts shadows (wow that sounds corny), and without good or evil than the world wouldn't work. That's why I think everything must be balanced. If there is too much good or evil problems will result. And then of course there's the whole 'is it good or evil?' thing...Building an orphanage is good, but all the animals habitats' you cleared is evil...This ramble doesn't really have a point...but hopefully I've given you all something to think about...I don't think most of this can be answered... |
I think the concept of good and evil are too simplistic and primitive, in reality it's much more complicated than that. There are large grey areas.
I try never to blame people for what they do, because every action one makes is a direct consequence of many other elements that have contributed to their life from day one. I remind myself that had I been in their shoes, I would have done the exact same thing. Of course, the appropriate steps must be made to eliminate them from the arena in which they're doing harm. Rehabilitation is usually a better way of dealing with people rather than retribution. Regarding spirituality, I do think there's a "spiritual realm" - for lack of better words. The fact that we are seperate, conscious entities interests me. Having recently lost a close member of my family, it's nice to think that there might be some kind of life after we die. Of course, what we want isn't always the truth, but it's a comforting thought. I guess all people have a hunger for meaning, and until it's revealed to us, we'll satisfy that hunger with whatever we can get. |
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I'm christian, but I do not know much about the bible and only very rarely go to church. Because of this, I have formulated my own beliefs based on what I do know. I believe in God and Jesus, but I think that the bible has big parts that are more like metaphors than actual fact. I believe in the big bang and evolution, but I also believe that God started life and set forth a plan of creating things that is constantly in progress. New stars, planets, and moons are being born in the universe all the time and the universe is actually still in creation to me. I believe in heaven, and "heck" but I think that most people go to heaven unless they are extremely evil, and that people are usually forgiven. I also think that spirits can choose to move from heaven and go to earth if they want/need to, which is why there are ghosts. I do not think that reading the bible, or baptism is necessary to get into heaven, and you only need to try to be a good person. I also think that God would also forgive people if they of a religion that turns out to be wrong, because a lot of what religion you are has to do with your upbringing and culture, not decisions that you have come to completely on your own, and being only human, we make mistakes in judgement and what we percieve to be correct. I'm not counting myself out of this and I know that I could very easily be wrong. However, I think that everything is just so complex and unfathomable in the universe to be just there on its own. I find it fascinating that I can think at all and that I am aware of myself existing. I often think about this: logically, I shouldn't exist.
These are just my thoughts. I don't think I will ever know the truth until I die. I completely respect everyone else's beliefs. Pilot, are you serious about what you said? (don't take offense: I'm sure you understand that there are a lot of people that just make stuff up) If so, that is really cool. What is it like? Does this happen often? Weird... |
It's true. I'll tell you that even though I'm used to it, it's still startling when I catch a glimpse of something; a light streak perhaps, see a reflection of someone standing behind me as clear as day when there's nobody there, or hear someone talking to me in the dark. Yes, it is weird- especially when I see this really short spirit who's always hanging around behind my monitors in my workshop.. a midget maybe? What's really startling is when I'm typing *at this computer* an I feel someone looking over my shoulder like they're reading what I'm typing. I just turn the monitor off and it will go away. I'd say it happens often, although it probably happens to everybody but they just don't know it or can't sense it. I've been posesssed on numerous occasions; none of which was by any harmful spirit. I know that it's happening because I feel lightheaded and strange. I'm then totally aware of what I'm doing and saying but I take on a different personality and may do or say stuff that I would not normally do or say. Know that this is completely different from an individual having "multiple personalities." Mainly because it happens right after I sense that somebody is there and it gets cold. Telling people about this is not my favorite thing to do since they usually think I'm a weirdo, outsider, or from a christian: "a demon." Cut me some slack! I've also legitimately communicated with spirits just using a tape recorder. The process I use involves EVP or Electronic Voice Phenomena in which you record questions as you're directly talking to the spirit(s), leaving about a minute of silence in between each question. Upon playback, you can hear answers to your questions on most cases, with the volume turned all the way up. I'll end here because I don't want someone to complain about going off-topic.
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Reply to the Gospel of John quote from Sydney...
I've never understood the idea of faith as being something beautiful or admirable. Any idiot can believe something, and many idiots do. I have compiled a list: 1. The Taliban 2. The Romans 3. Timothy McVeigh I'm not saying that belief is a useless concept, or a foolish one - often it's a comforting idea for people to rationalise the uncertainty and pain of life. What I am saying is that we should try not to jump to conclusions about things we cannot understand. That said, I personally believe that the gradual evaporation of major churches will be a good thing if people discover other ways to find comfort and security in their lives. Short of killing people that disagree with these mentalities, of course. |
I believe that belief is very important to some people, and I try to recognise that, and tolerate what I sometimes percieve as stubbornness. To that end I would like to apologise to Pinky and anyone else I have offended.
On the subject of God and the Devil, I think I'll elaborate a little on what I said in my conversation with Pinky. I generally find that belief in external forces like God and the Devil leads to a sort of refusal to accept responsibility. With that sort of belief, people can basically do what they like, and then just 'blame it on the Devil'. I believe that we are all capable of good and bad and shades of grey, and that it is entirely in our hands what we do. If people could just recognise that, then a lot of the bad side of religion would just disappear. I speak of 'Holy Wars', such as the Crusades, or even the attack of September 11th. Both of these events would probably never have happened had the perpetrators known that they would have to take responsibility for their actions instead of claiming to 'do God's work'. I do believe in some kind of life after death, although I find it extremely unlikely that it will take a form much like that of a Christian Heaven, since I fail to see how anyone could know about it. I am very much "just wait and see" on this issue, although I feel that Reincarnation is probably more likely than a Heaven as such. Heaven and Hell are misleading in the same way as God and theh Devil, and people should behave as they believe would best benefit those around them, not behave as some Religious Leader tells them they should to get into Heaven... I have Blabbered for long. Please, no-one take offense at anyone here, I am quite proud of this topic for having spawned Civilised debate on such a contentious issue without resorting to Flaming. Here are my beliefs, tell me yours, everyone... |
This was in some other post in this topic but, if you believe that everyone goes to heaven, what about Hitler? Why did Satan get kicked out of heaven fo being so evil? You think God is going to stand it? No. God forgives, but, you have to ask for his forgiveness. God gives you free will. You are either with him or against him. You think Hitler was with him? Satan? Murders? I don't think so. He can't be in heaven. Christians should know that. it saids so in the bible that not everyone is not going to heaven. Do you think God is going to give you eternal happiness in heaven, after when you hated him and refuse to follow him?
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if you are talking about what Ron Rancor said, you should have read a bit more carefully. he didn't say that everyone went to heaven, just that most people do. he said that the really bad people went to hell, like Hitler.
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True, LuxoJr. The reason why I quoted that verse on faith was to show Pinky that Jesus understood that for those who don't see him, there would be no evidence, so they must rely on faith. Because really, there is none.
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I consider myself a Christian. It means that I recongnize that Jesus is the most enlightened spirit on Earth. I also recognize that the revelations he brought to human kind, while he was living among us for the last time, are our "rules of thumbs" to become moral and spiritualy evolved enough to experience the love of God.
Specifically, I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, as an existing place we go forever. Heaven and Hell are more a state of our soul than a place itself. I don't beleive in an antropomorphic God who feels pride, or envy, or angry or jealousy. they are all human feelings. God is just and only LOVE. I also beleive that our soul is imortal, and we live many lives through reincarnation, in order to learn all the lessons we need to develop moral and spiritually. Reincarnation explains why a boy is born perfect in a very wealthy family and lives happy until he dies a natural death with 80 years, and why another boy is born without his legs and arms, lives a life of pain, suffering and hunger, dying before he gets 10 years old. We pay here, for our sins, if not in this life, we will pay in another. Hitler will have his chance to redention. Bin Laden, too. who knows if right now hitler is living as a Somali dying child, felling in his body all the pain the jewish people felt during the second war? PLease, if anyone wants to talk bout anything I said here, fell free to comment. i'd like very much to disscuss it in a reasonable way. Pilot, look for the work of Allan Kardec to understand all phenomena regarding the spirits' world. [ October 27, 2001: Message edited by: Lampion ] |
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