Gingers and prejudice.
 

MOD EDIT: This thread split off from here.


I was thinking more along the lines of people that discriminate against ginger people.

Wil has so much to learn about the malevolent soullessness of gingers.

How does one discriminate effectively against a hair colour? That's like someone being offended by a joke about blue eyed people.

It's not just a hair color. They also have to be fair skinned and have freckles.

Except discrimination against ginger people is actually a thing that happens commonly. For example, a bunch of non-ginger people commenting that ginger people have no soul.

I hope you're kidding Wil. White Knighting Gingers is a lost cause.

They're not considered enough of a minority for it to be inherently offensive.

There is no real Ginger discrimination. And the second Gingers start to recognize it as legitimate discrimination, they will only be mocked further. See; Coppercab.

It wasn't until that song I sorted out that ginger is an anagram for nigger.

There is, and it doesn't take ginger people to recognize it. People are bullied, excluded and killed for it. If you believe that people shouldn't be discriminated against because of their body or personality, that includes hair colour.

Wil you do realize we're not serious about actually hating gingers, right?

Unfortunately, many people are.

It doesn't matter whether or not you seriously hate ginger people. Comments like that don't roll off people's backs, and it perpetuates a culture where it's acceptable to belittle people for things that don't matter.

You've changed, Max the Mug.

Yeah. He's not called Max the Mug any more, for one thing.

I agree with Wil tbh, ginger people are expected to put up with it because it's all in good fun. But for a lot of people it just isn't.

Your mother's all in good fun.

I don't know what that means.

You can say it about every single joke made by human. There always will be people who feel offended because they took a harmless joke seriously. Geez.

"Why did the chicken cross the road?"

I find this offensive.

This post originally ended "Because he was a useless Jewish nigger."

I never make Ginger jokes. Partly this is because I'm an American, and we are almost completely unaware of the prejudice, or jokes that revolve around it. The word Ginger isn't evenly commonly known to mean a red-headed person in the states. Americans that are aware of it or mention it have gotten the term from European media or friends.

However, if it was commonly used here in the states, I would totally hate on them. I'm a hater. That's what I do.

I crossed the road today. YOU'RE CALLING ME A CHICKEN?! What an A-hole.

If I were a ginger, I'd probably still laugh at ginger jokes. The same goes if I was black. Or Jewish.

I'm just going to drop some Steve Hughes in here. I think you need to open at 3:30. Basically my opinion on offence. Also,

WEB DESIGN!

Actually I'm pretty sure it was South Park that sparked the Ginger "prejudice". But on the whole, OANST is correct. The only place it's prevalent is the internet. I've known several gingers in my life, and I'm more than certain they would just laugh if someone genuinely tried to deride them with tonsorial bigotry.

The one exception is Coppercab, who only made an entire generation of gingers look bad by turning himself into a lolcow with his butt-hurtery.

You don't know that. You haven't experienced lifelong societal stigmatization. You haven't been the subject of the same demeaning 'jokes' decade after decade. You don't have to fight for your equal standing with everyone around you every day because of the way you look or the way you act. You're not part of a minority systematically under-represented, having your opinions shouted down by anyone with a cheap and belittling sense of humour.

It's only very recently that I've started being aware of how invisible all this is to me unless I actively go looking for it, but I'm deciding to censor my communication in respect of those who are affected by discrimination.

EDIT: This @Varrok. Others posted before me.

It existed waaaaaaay before South Park ran that episode. I had never once heard an American use the word "ginger" in that way before that episode ran, but plenty of Europeans were saying it.

Well, that's a miss, cause I actually was the subject of others' jokes for a long while (like... hmm... about 5-6 years in school - ok, it's not a lifelong, but definitetly some) and I realised that I cared way too much about that. When I recall that period of my life I can't believe how much of an idiot I was :)

The whole "gingers don't have a soul" thing always saddened me. most mature people will take it as nothing more than a joke. But things like this encourages bullies to use it as leverage. I'm pretty sure, without checking, that after CopperCab became a thing and South park also took up the issue, there's probly a lot more chubby red-haired kids getting bullied now than before.

I think that intent is pretty important. If it's good natured ribbing, I don't really see the issue.

I'm talking about joking and you're mostly talking about bullying under the pretext of joking. The second thing is caused by people being idiots/A-holes, not by jokes themselves. We didn't bully anyone in this thread...

...and why don't you react that way when someone is called a faggot? It's basically the same.