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Sekto Springs 12-02-2011 09:36 PM

If you thought the SOPA bill was scary
 
Get a load of this shit.

Nate 12-02-2011 10:14 PM

That headline is a bit overdramatic, don't you think?

Whilst I think the bill is bullshit, of course, I'm not going to put too much trust in to anything given to me by a website that appears to contain nothing but conspiracy theories.

Sekto Springs 12-02-2011 10:29 PM

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the indulgent sensationalism proposed in this article is just that.

It's been a pretty hot ticket in the American media. Hotter than the SOPA bill actually, which saw almost zero coverage. A 93-7 voting is pretty staggering for a senatorial vote. I doubt, however, this will squelch passed Congress.

Nate 12-02-2011 10:30 PM

I heard that Obama is planning to veto it, so that's a plus.

Sekto Springs 12-02-2011 10:32 PM

Some folks are theorizing that this is a response to the Occupy movement(s). If that's the case, the occupiers are only making it worse. Trololol.

Daxter King 12-02-2011 10:54 PM

Meh, I plan to move to Switzerland eventually anyways.

Dynamithix 12-03-2011 12:25 AM

All these IP protection bills are getting fucking stupid.

moxco 12-03-2011 01:22 AM

Close. This is an anti-terrorism bill.

JennyGenesis 12-03-2011 02:08 AM

Only in America *faceplam*

I tend to say that an awful lot

Dynamithix 12-03-2011 02:15 AM

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Close. This is an anti-terrorism bill.

Oh. I thought it was another IP bill.

Jordan 12-03-2011 03:18 AM

I didn't fully understand the purpose/effects of this bill. I apologise. Could someone give me a brief explanation as to what it means?

Crashpunk 12-03-2011 03:33 AM

I'm going to be honest as well, I don't really know whats going on :tard:

STM 12-03-2011 03:42 AM

I can't make much of it either but I'm sure whatever it is, it's not waging outright war on the people of America. Fuck off.

moxco 12-03-2011 03:44 AM

The American government now has the ability to kill and detain people without a warrant - presumabley terrorrists. That sensationalist article, written by September 11th was an inside job people, who are confusing reality with Nineteen Eighty-Four, is implying the government is out to assassinate your grandma.

STM 12-03-2011 03:54 AM

My grandma is the chief executive of a cocaine cartel in Bolivia. It's more than likely.

Sekto Springs 12-03-2011 08:41 AM

I wish the government would assassinate my grandma. She's a cunt.

T-nex 12-03-2011 03:01 PM

Huh? But he bakes you yummy lemon tarts :( Or whatever they are called.

Nate 12-03-2011 04:07 PM

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The American government now has the ability to kill and detain people without a warrant - presumabley terrorrists. That sensationalist article, written by September 11th was an inside job people, who are confusing reality with Nineteen Eighty-Four, is implying the government is out to assassinate your grandma.

I hadn't heard about the killing. From what I understand, it's giving the President the discretion to order the arrest of anyone for an indefinite period without charge. Which is still pretty shitty.

MA 12-03-2011 05:15 PM

fuck sakes.

Sekto Springs 12-07-2011 07:23 PM

What you guys have to understand is, despite the sensationalism of this particular article, this bill allows the judicial system to forgo certain fourth amendment rights. Though I doubt the passing of this bill will yield the Orwellian dystopia described in this article and others like it, it has the potential to be very invasive. Also, if this passes, it opens the door for other unconstitutional bills that would otherwise be ousted.

Any bill that lets government step over the constitution should be thrown out immediately. The fact that it's gotten so much support from the senate is very troubling. Bear in mind that though the bill targets terrorists, the term "terrorist" as recognized by law is comically broad. Anyone who owns firearms, has served in the military, or even has an unusually large stock of food can be suspected of terrorism.

MeechMunchie 12-07-2011 11:10 PM

So fat people are terrorists? No wonder the US is convinced the threat is everywhere...

STM 12-08-2011 10:17 AM

Hell, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The American government really can convict absolutely anyone of being a terrorist, but then, they could do that before. In the UK, if you are a suspected terrorist, you can be held without trial by the police.

Sekto Springs 12-08-2011 12:27 PM

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The American government really can convict absolutely anyone of being a terrorist, but then, they could do that before.
Right, but they still had right to a fair trial and proper imprisonment. When they don't, it usually gets out and causes a huge fuss, as in the case of the Abu Ghraib scandal.

Nate 12-09-2011 04:12 AM

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Right, but they still had right to a fair trial and proper imprisonment. When they don't, it usually gets out and causes a huge fuss, as in the case of the Abu Ghraib scandal.

I dispute your use of the word 'usually'. How many people were renditioned to Egypt and other politically friendly but legally dodgy places for torture?

Hint: The answer is 'More than you can name.'

Sekto Springs 12-09-2011 09:52 AM

That's true. I can't tell you how much "enhanced interrogation" takes place, but since the coverage of Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghaib, I'm certainly more aware of the possibilities. That's what's so frightening.

All in all, every American privy the frequency of unfair/inhumane interrogation/imprisonment as it is knows the dangerous potential of this bill. Based on some of the articles I've read about the prison system (as well as a few firsthand accounts from a friend who used to work in one), I wouldn't be surprised to learn torture is already being committed on American soil. I feel like this bill, in it's vagueness, almost guarantees some ignominious treatment towards suspected terrorists.

Dixanadu 12-09-2011 06:33 PM

I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume this was a conservative republican's idea.

Wings of Fire 12-09-2011 07:14 PM

You get liberal republicans now?

Dixanadu 12-09-2011 07:41 PM

Only in Norn Iron, boss.

Sekto Springs 12-15-2011 09:58 AM