Gay and discrimination thread
 

Mod Edit: Split from the Facebook thread.

Girls feel less threatened around gay or bisexual guys, that's what my last sexual partner said before I kissed her for the first time.

That's some weird causality there.

Not hard to understand

And then she changed her mind.

I'm a deeply unthreatening person.

We had unthreatening sex.

It was wholly without threat.

Or you could be a non-threatening straight person! Like me! Never failed me in the past...I don't think.

Girls. Fucking hetrophobes.

I see what you mean there

But that's kinda like saying that Gays are Homophobic.

Nate is.

Does he hate himself and cut his wrists like an Emo?

I think it's more along the lines of disliking the general homosexual population. I have to agree.

I want to punch the majority of twinks I encounter.

Alcar...

Same, but to be fair I want to punch the majority of straights and lesbians I see too.

I know what you mean, I was just trying to make a joke about Nate.

Just like any community, the gay community always has some idiot in it that you won't get along with.

What is your consensus on gay pride walks? Personally they piss me off, bringing London to a stand still wearing weird colourful clothing. I hope that doesn't come across as homophobic, I just don't like the whole in your face thing, just like religious preachers and charities running up to you in the street.

I understand what you mean, I don't do the marches, I just go to festivals.

Religious preachers are trying to make you believe something. If you want to believe something then thats fine by me, I just hate it when idiots try to "convert" people, the idea of gay pridge marches is just for acceptance, unless some twisted idiot in the marches has the objective of turning everybody gay :eek:

AlienMagi was a fine member of the gay community.

Whilst gay people are a persecuted minority whether by government doctrine or social acceptence anywhere in the world then gay pride marches have a purpose and my full support.

I can't decide if gay pride marches are awesome or horrible. Shades of both.

Gays are not a persecuted minority in the modern western world. The Buddhist Monks in Tibet are, there's a difference.

That's very naive of you.

He doesn't disappoint.

They're like Latin carnivals without the sex appeal.

Not really, ridiculed, yes admittedly and unfortunately, even physical attacks are not entirely un-common, but persecuted the homosexual community is not. The connotations associated with persecution are generally on a massive scale such as the Holocaust, Pol Pot's killing fields or the burning of Christians under Nero. However, it is recognised that in the Middle East and some African communities, being gay is a sin, and a crime. So I'm not saying that gays are not persecuted world wide. Just not in the West, or certainly, anywhere I have ever been.

I've noticed a disturbing trend among young people where being gay is almost like a fashion statement. There was this girl I knew who tried so hard to pretend to be gay. She would attend gay pride rallies, would wear rainbows whenever possible. She was so transparent in her exaggerated twinkishness that I'm more than certain the few genuinely gay people she knew resented her very existence.

Btw, I had sex with her. So yeah, she's totes gay (this was back when I had no self respect and would play ball with anyone willing and able).

I don't get why people try to define themselves through their sexual orientation, false or otherwise. In her case, she probably used it to define herself because the rest of her was so utterly bland and unoriginal.

EDIT: At this point, we might wanna get a thread split.

Maybe add this to the sex thread?

I have friends a little like yours Sekto, in that they attend all the rallies but they are latently straight, they put on a very camp layer, I think to try and add something to their lives that are otherwise without substance when you remove the odd party. And the chain smoking.

You want to read up to where I clearly said 'Social acceptance'. There was a case in my university's union a year back where a gay couple were jeered out of the building for kissing in public. The union had to formally issue an apology and pay compensation. And that's in Glasgow, the former (I think) Gay Capital of Europe. What about in the USA where in Tennesee it's ilegal for teachers to talk about homosexuality? What about all those places in the world where gay people don't have the legal rights that straight people have? You only need to open your eyes and you'll see the reports and the atrocities still commited in many parts of the world.

Talking about gay people, what about the BT of LGBT? Know what my mother's reaction to me coming out was 'That's impossible, bisexuality doesn't exist!' and that's a pretty widespread fantastical opinion. Transgender people are even more at risk. My boyfriend is facing severe persecution by his parents for his desire of wanting an operation to make him female. This prejudice exists and is deeply rooted in our society.

And a third point: It is a responsibility of all people belonging to any minority to show solidarity with anyone else belonging to the same minority. This is simple political prudency here. Solidarity with African and middle eastern people who are persecuted on a much greater scale as you say can be shown back here in the west with a gay pride march.

So yeah. It's pretty fucking important.

Okay fine I apologise, as is the general policy with me and social debates, I need to do more research on these things. Do you not agree that unfortunately it is the norm that with change comes xenophobia? Your boyfriends parents seem to be doing the standard human thing which is to dismiss or hate what challenges conservatism. But I do understand where they are coming from, a child they have raised and looked after for I am supposing 20~ years, a good proportion of their life, now wants a massive change in physical appearance and attitude. It's probably a little unnerving for them to go through.

I don't understand why you would want to change your gender, perhaps he has a very good argument for it but to me it seems odd, wrong even...but that is just me, if it makes him happy then yes I wouldn't mind I suppose.

There's a line between caring too much and dogmatism.

My mother cared too much when she tried to subtley suggest I've always wanted children and wouldn't be so happy gay.

His parents are outwardly dogmatic and prejudiced against him for what he is. It's in part motivated by care and fear, but considering the threats and the actions they've taken there's a lot of disgust there too.

I personally couldn't care less what gender he ends up being, as long as it's something he's comfortable with.

That's my attitude, as long as someone is happy with what they are doing thats fine by me, within limits of course, if my friend liked murdering people I'd stay away from them for my own safety. If it's something I don't like, it's when they try and force me to do that thing that pisses me off.

When I came out it came as a huge shock to my family, had a bit of a traumatising time, even had death threats, from my own family!!!

My boyfriend at the time stayed by my side and defended me the entire time. I have no clue how I would have coped without him, because when things got heated we went out in his car to a very quiet place and hid away, had phone calls and all that asking where I was but I didn't even tell them where we were. He had it easy when he came out, his mum is a lesbian. She was shocked when he told her but as you can imagine she didn't act any different.

Yeah things have calmed down, most of my family are fine with me, just not with my attraction to males, some think its a phase and all that nonsense.

They do it here, too.

They'd go around saying they're either gay or bisexual, and may make out with people from the opposite excuse.

When it comes to the deed, they back out.

The gay people I know despise such people with a passion.

I've noticed a similar trend (mostly with girls) with bisexual teenagers at my school. Most of them, I swear to God are straight - you can tell they are simply looking for attention.

However, two of my close friends recently came out of the closest. Well, sort of. The claim to be "bisexual", but I don't believe that. I think they're just gay. Not that I don't believe in bisexuality, they're just so damn flamboyant.

I was often mistaken for gay well before I came out the closet.