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So is there any proof god exists yet?



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Well you see my gut instinct

His gut instinct! Says way to much chili last night. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Z8-8LVkqO...0/smiley01.png

Is there any proof he doesn't?

Inflammatory little hobgoblin.

It doesn't work that way. Show it exists first.

God is outside proof, this discussion is broken at stage one.

Any attempt to reason God exists through proof can be shot down, any attempt to conceptually deny God can be shot down.

And people wonder why I'm agnostic.

But since we're talking philosophomistorfony, you can just say that, then I can say that everything needs proof, and it's back to being inside that sphere again.

You cannot prove that everything needs proof.

The sphere breaks itself. Evidentialism cannot answer its own challenge.

why not?

Because you cannot prove you need proof? It's self justifiable.

Like, you cannot say why we should be nice people. If you're outside the sphere of morality then there's nothing to say you should be nice or even recognize the concept of niceness. You need to be inside a sphere to discuss things related to that sphere.

Empiricism and evidentialism and all the scientific method attached to it work well enough for our lives and for advancement and health and wealth and the future, but you certainly can't claim that it's all there is. It's just good enough, and that's all that counts.

Why?

That a concept has been developed that is beyond the reaches of evidence is sufficient enough to dismiss it out of hand. And they thought they were so clever with that one.

I don't think either of you understand the nature of the objection.

Explain it then.

I don't quite know how, I just don't understand how your counter-objection works against mine. If anything, it's a bigger pile of rhetoric.

The statement people want to say is 'Any statement that isn't a priori significant or backed up by evidence is meaningless' right? That statement is neither significant or backed up by evidence. It's impossible for a need for evidence to justify itself.

Yes, the 'outside' of the empirical world is utterly meaningless to us in the end, as it stands, but that's not the point. The point is there's no good reason to suggest why it couldn't exist without going back inside the sphere.

It's outside the sphere of evidence and thus scientifically meaningless, but it's not outside the sphere of thought and you can't deny the claim that God or other metaphysics could exist without fighting them on their own terms. 'You can't prove God exists' is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

Ultimately, like I said, God's existence does not impact our everyday lives, and given the sheer number of religions in the world and the nature of faith to begin with, there may not be good enough reason to conceptually deny God, but there is certainly enough reason to not all convert on the off-chance he exists (Fuck you Pascal) and to just get on with things inside our sphere of logic.

But what would God need with a starship?

Yes, there is. Religion is disgusting, hateful, and a source of great pain all throughout human history.

Good thing that faith and religion are two different things eh?

Faith in religion, or religious figures is also disgusting, hateful, and a great source of pain all throughout human history.

OANST and Faith in religion, or religious figures is also disgusting, hateful, and a great source of pain all throughout human history.

She's got the idea.

Anime, OANST and Faith in religion, or religious figures is also disgusting, hateful, and a great source of pain all throughout human history.

Holy shit. Never has she gotten the idea more!

Even God needs to pick up space chicks sometimes.

EDIT: I are good at recognising the last page of a thread.

Doublefine, Anime, OANST and Faith in religion, or religious figures is also disgusting, hateful, and a great source of pain all throughout human history.

What's this now? Now, you've just lost your fucking mind.

Running a joke into the ground is also disgusting, hateful, and a great source of pain all throughout human history.

Alcar's penis, OddHunter, Doublefine, Anime, OANST and Faith in religion, or religious figures is also disgusting, hateful, and a great source of pain all throughout human history.

Modest Mouse, Turtles, Braid, Team Meat, Strike Witch, Memes, Alcar's penis, OddHunter, Doublefine, Anime, OANST and Faith in religion, or religious figures is also disgusting, hateful, and a great source of pain all throughout human history.

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