Say Bye Bye Economy!
 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31565446...ws-environment

Fuckers just passed a bill that's going to tax us even more. Like people need this right now.

it just went through the house, no need to panic.....yet....
but yea were fucked if this passes.

they say it would cost people $3,000 a year. can't remember who said that.

I am totally for this.

But you oppose poll tax?

Im not keen on the bill. Firstly its a lot of money for a lot of people. Secondly its very badly timed. Thirdly, we have no genuinely viable alternative energy to fossil fuels yet, and many of the green fuels cause equal/similar pollution in different forms. Fourthly replacing all fossil fuel systems with green fuel systems is highly impractical.


Nice idea in theory but its very expensive, badly timed and I doubt hoow effective it'll be.

Dunno about this, but as far as I've heard, taxing people in USA is unconstitutional and
"the federal government DOES NOT possess ANY legal authority -- statutory or Constitutional -- to tax the wages or salaries of American workers."

Why are Americans so afraid of taxation? You're one of the least taxed countries in the world. Compared to most of Europe, you'd count as a freaking tax haven. Bitches.

Get over it. You'll survive with a few less dollars a lot better than you will with global warming and the sea washing away your front garden.

Also, the carbon cuts are pretty small, compared to what other countries around the world are proposing.

The economy said goodbye when the Bush administration tried maintaining two wars and imposing tax cuts.

Thread should've been named 'Say Bye Bye American Economy' because I nearly shit my pants.

Good luck to you all, you're gonna need it!

Haha, like the US economy has NOTHING to do with the world economy.

All your US company are belong to us.

When America has the runs the whole world gets covered in shit.

And we're in Qina's pocket, not Brittania's.

Yeah, Ulster is in Brittania's pockets. Dirty English bastards.

Because Ulster really wanted to be included in the formation of Eire didn't they.

Proddy bastard.

I'm Catholic. =P

And loyal to the Republic, not the Empire.

Sounded very Star Wars-like there, but...you know.

Did you know I went into the bus depot to ask for a ticket to Derry, they refused, and said Derry didn't exist? I said, WHAT. Apparantly, you have to say Londonderry, or get spat on and be called a Fenian bastard.

Or if you're Protestant, and in Derry, and even as much say the word 'London', you'll be pounced upon by swirling colours of green and white.

Never visit here.

I was actually for this until the reality of where all the current dollars are going hit me. Cut out the crap and the 'buddy' deals before you tax us. Sensible? Too sensible.

Shows how little power our president really has.

EDIT: Excuse me, power our president AND we really have. But we'll lay down like we always do because we don't know better or are too lazy to do anything else. The establishment has it well in hand.

I went to Northern Ireland once with my mum and her Irish boyfriend, we found some interesting graffiti in Belfast. I can quite clearly remember myself asking my mum: 'Mummy, who is Mr Fein and why is he a cunt?'.

Who the fuck are you people talking about?

You have made my day.

nor me. terrible acting.

Whoever wrote the graffiti is a retard then, since Sinn Fein is a governing party. So if it said, Sinn Fein is a cunt, it would be quite stupid sounding. Sinn Fein are cunts, is more like it.

I shamed myself.

Too many taxes in the UK.

15% on every item nearly, council tax, road tax, import tax, capital gains tax, loads of other taxes and apparently there going to tax you if you have a phone line soon. As if needing a licence to own a TV isn't alredy enough. Twating nobhead BBC.

I don't even know what some of them taxes are.

Come on, the world's nations are broke, somehow they are ALL in debt (to each other and to their good-fer-nothing banks) and in the hierarchical loop their employers are us. The money needs to come from somewhere, and since it is only going to be spent on the nation the money itself is coming from... do you see where I'm coming from here? The only way money has any value at all is if it keeps moving, and thus spinning the turbines of the economy.

The choice comes down to this: make life a little bit more shit now so that it will no longer be so later, or make life slightly less shit now but shit for even longer than it would be otherwise.

And even this feeble attempt is more on the side of the latter than the former, because all anyone is interesting in is short-term payoffs rather than longer term ones, an attitude which is actually the very source of our current problems today.

So quit fucking whining when things go wrong,stop whining when we try to fix things, and for the love of god, don't you dare whine when our pathetic attempts at righting these problems fails. It's the incessant whining that stays our leader's hands from trying out solutions that might actually make a difference at some point.

So...when IS it OK to make a negative comment about the government? Or can we not?

And I think the idea is good in principle, like I said, just painful to execute and very risky as to whether it'll even work at all.

Governments exist to be criticized, I'm criticizing the extremely conservative senate.
Note the lack of caps on conservative.

Which goverments are we talking about? The UK or the US? I know this bill deals with the US.

I find it really hypocritical how, for years, liberals and Democrats have been called unpatriotic hippies whenever they protest. Now, the Republicans are being more unpatriotic then ever and they're still gasing on about how terrible the left wing is. Rush Limbaugh you fat, deaf asshole.

Bye Bye Economy!

I'm only making the point that you can criticise a government when it tries to fix a problem, and you can criticise a government when it does not try to fix a problem, but if you do both without offering an alternative... it seems like they can't do anything right. Not that they actually can't to things right, just that every possible option must be wrong according to us.

And when the solution obviously must put a strain on the rest of us, being what a nation is made of (and a nation that we are trying to fix) that is just asinine.

I also recall making a direct criticism in the very post.

It's leaving it to our "leaders" hands that's the mistake, but so is whining without being prepared to do anything about it personally.

So much for 'the people come first', then crap like this comes to surface.