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Strike Witch 08-08-2008 06:41 PM

So apparently a war's broken out.
 
Russia has invaded parts of Georgian South Ossetia, and their planes have already started bombing the cities, targeting the Georgian infrastructure. Or so CNN said.

Anyway, thoughts?

used:) 08-08-2008 06:57 PM

The US had something to say about it, as usual.

Mac Sirloin 08-08-2008 07:23 PM

FUCK YEAH, EXPAND AND CONQUER FOR THE MOTHERLAND

brb Gas mask shopping

Anonyman! 08-08-2008 10:32 PM

Need brass goggles for when we must repair the entire planet using steam and coal based-technology...

http://www.steampunklab.com/pics/51.jpg'

Edit: Eh, war's a lot less boring now that the Russians aren't commies anymore.

used:) 08-08-2008 10:33 PM

I'm hyped for a steampunk Earth.

Strike Witch 08-08-2008 11:41 PM

Holy crap, they've been bombing Georgia's capital?

mudling 08-08-2008 11:52 PM

Well, Russia couldn't keep silent forever I guess, unfortunate news. :(
Hopefully things don't get any worse than this, if a world war can start from one man being assasinated... well, I don't know what to say.

Wings of Fire 08-09-2008 12:18 AM

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Well, Russia couldn't keep silent forever I guess, unfortunate news. :(
Hopefully things don't get any worse than this, if a world war can start from one man being assasinated... well, I don't know what to say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war_1#Causes

And NOW I go to airport.

Nate 08-09-2008 12:19 AM

Do you notice that they waited until the world was distracted with the Olympics (and also China's human rights abuses) before doing this? What was their excuse for invading?

Strike Witch 08-09-2008 12:26 AM

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TBLISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Bombs rocked Tbilisi early Saturday morning as the fight between Georgia and Russia over a breakaway region intensified and moved into the Georgian capital.

Government buildings, including the Parliament, were evacuated when the bombs fell.

Heavy casualties have reported on both sides since Russian forces moved Friday into South Ossetia, a pro-Russian autonomous region of Georgia.

Russian bombers were targeting Georgia's economic infrastructure, National Security Council secretary Alexander Lomaia said, including the country's largest Black Sea port, Poti, and the main road connecting the southern part of Georgia with the east and the airport.

Georgian television reported that the port had been destroyed.

Georgia, a former Soviet state, sent troops into South Ossetia on Thursday, aiming to crack down on the separatists, who want independence or unification with North Ossetia, which is in Russia. Russia responded Friday, sending troops into the Georgian province where it had peacekeepers stationed.

"I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," Lyudmila Ostayeva, a resident of the South Ossetia capital, Tskhinvali, told The Associated Press on Friday.

"It's impossible to count them now. There is hardly a single building left undamaged," she said after fleeing to a village near the Russian border, AP reported.

"They are killing civilians, women and children, with heavy artillery and rockets," Sarmat Laliyev, 28, told AP.

One U.S. State Department official called the conflict a "very dangerous situation" and said diplomatic moves are afoot around the globe to stop it.

Georgia -- on the Black Sea coast between Russia and Turkey -- appealed for diplomatic intervention.

Georgia asked the United States for planes to bring back its 2,000 troops serving as part of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, a U.S. official said.

"All day today, they've been bombing Georgia from numerous warplanes and specifically targeting [the] civilian population, and we have scores of wounded and dead among [the] civilian population all around the country," Georgia's president, Mikhail Saakashvili, said Friday. "This is the worst nightmare one can encounter."

Russia's ambassador to United Nations, Vitaly Churkin, put the blame on the Tblisi government.

"What is going on is a massive bombardment of residential quarters in Tshkinvali and other towns, too," Churkin said.

Eduard Kokoity, head of the rebel government in South Ossetia, said that 1,400 people were killed in the province, according to Russia's Interfax news agency.


Hundreds of people, possibly thousands, are fleeing South Ossetia to the Russian region of North Ossetia-Alania, the United Nations reported Friday, citing Russian officials.

About 150 Russian armored vehicles have entered South Ossetia, Saakashvili said, and Georgian forces had shot down two Russian aircraft.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, quoted by Interfax, said Russians had died because of Georgian military operations in South Ossetia.

Russia "will not allow the deaths of our compatriots to go unpunished," and "those guilty will receive due punishment," he said. "My duty as Russian president is to safeguard the lives and dignity of Russian citizens, wherever they are. This is what is behind the logic of the steps we are undertaking now."

South Ossetia, with a population of about 70,000, declared independence from Georgia in the early 1990s, but it was not internationally recognized. Many ethnic Ossetians feel close to Russia and have Russian passports and use its currency.

Interfax quoted the Georgian Foreign Ministry as saying that strikes by Russian aircraft killed and wounded personnel at a Georgian air base and that Russian planes have been bombing Georgian territory throughout the day. Georgian officials also report four Russian aircraft shot down.

The U.S., NATO and the European Union have all called for an end to the fighting. President Bush and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin discussed the conflict Friday, the White House confirmed.

By early evening Friday, a Georgian Cabinet minister said the country's forces have taken control of Tskhinvali, Interfax reported.

The Novosti news agency, citing the South Ossetian government, said Georgian tanks and infantry attacked Tskhinvali, and "a large part of the city has been destroyed. Over 15 civilians have been killed, several buildings are on fire in the city center, and the local parliament building has burned down."

But Russian and South Ossetian officials said Russia was making inroads in fighting Georgian forces.

"Street fighting in Tskhinvali has lasted for many hours. Ossetian home guards are using grenade-launchers to destroy Georgian tanks. Eyewitnesses say tanks are burning throughout the city. The turning point is approaching in the battle for the capital city," said the Web site of the South Ossetian Information and Press Committee.

The committee also said Russian armored vehicles have entered the northern suburb of the city.

Violence has been mounting in the region in recent days, with sporadic clashes between Georgian forces and South Ossetian separatists.

Georgian troops launched attacks in South Ossetia late Thursday after a top government official said a unilateral cease-fire offer was met with separatist artillery fire.

Lomaia said Georgian troops responded proportionately to separatist mortar and artillery attacks on two villages, attacks he said followed the cease-fire and Saakashvili's call for negotiations.

Russian peacekeepers are in South Ossetia under a 1992 agreement by Russian, Georgian and South Ossetian authorities to maintain what has been a fragile peace. The mixed peacekeeping force also includes Georgian and South Ossetian troops.
Here's the CNN thang.

OddjobAbe 08-09-2008 12:31 AM

I don't want to sound like a hippie or something, but all this fighting's starting to piss me off. It seems that every two minutes in the recent years that there's been some kind of war breaking out. Enough people get murdered anyway, without any war going on. I wish that everyone would apply the logic 'live and let live', and 'if you got yourself into a mess, you get out of it'.

Bullet Magnet 08-09-2008 03:05 AM

It is clear to me that no matter what the situation is, people will invent reasons to kill each other. By way of a solution, I will enforce lobotomies across the board in the coming years.

AlienMagi 08-09-2008 03:41 AM

I think war is a complete pointless shit.

used:) 08-09-2008 06:53 AM

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If only he had finished eating that damn sandwich! DX

Leto 08-09-2008 01:39 PM

As much of a war as the war on terror, pah.

Strike Witch 08-09-2008 07:09 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/eu...tia/index.html

Hooray, more shit hits the fan.

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"The city of Tskhinvali no longer exists. There is nothing left. It was wiped out by the Georgian military,"
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Dozens of Russian warplanes bombed civilian and military targets in the former republic of Georgia on Saturday, and a Russian ambassador said that as many as 2,000 people had been killed in in the capital of separatist Georgian province South Ossetia.
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Russians struck several major targets Saturday, including the Black Sea port of Poti, an airport, a major pipeline and a military base and train station in Senaki in western Georgia, Lomaia said. Georgian officials said that a center housing civilians had also been hit. Eight Georgians died in the port town, Georgian officials said.

Mac Sirloin 08-09-2008 07:50 PM

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As much of a war as the war on terror, pah.

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Anonyman! 08-09-2008 11:59 PM

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It is clear to me that no matter what the situation is, people will invent reasons to kill each other. By way of a solution, I will enforce lobotomies across the board in the coming years.

I love you sir. VerymuchIloveyou.

Laser 08-10-2008 12:59 AM

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I think war is a complete pointless shit.

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/...o-facepalm.jpg

Alcar 08-10-2008 06:39 AM

OMG JEAN-LUC PICARD

Alcar...

Leto 08-10-2008 05:13 PM

Jim Kirk is better.

Leto...

used:) 08-10-2008 05:49 PM

Fuck you both, Kathryn Janeway owns.

Mac Sirloin 08-10-2008 07:51 PM

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Jim Kirk is better.

Leto...

Anyone is better than George Lucas.

I fucking hate George Lucas

Leto 08-10-2008 10:43 PM

The man doesn't have a neck.

http://www.afi.com/Images/tvevents/l...eorgeLucas.jpg

Nomotherfuckingneck.

and... OH-

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...orge_Lucas.jpg

-OH, NOOOOO motherfucking neck. He's got like a frogsack beneath his chin.

alf's brother's mate 08-11-2008 12:17 AM

I agree with Oddjobabe, only sometimes assasinations are a good way to end something. Just look at president mwagbe or however you spell his name, why hasn't he been killed yet?

ABM

Nate 08-11-2008 01:09 AM

I hate to sound all Oddworld-geeky in OT but doesn't George Lucas look like Elum in those photos? Neck-wise, I mean.

RaXe 08-11-2008 03:59 AM

this sux! lithuania is right next too russia if someone nukes russia where gonna get alot off damage + the radioactivity

Bullet Magnet 08-11-2008 04:00 AM

Yes, everybody wants to nuke Russia.

Splat 08-11-2008 08:27 AM

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Georgia asked the United States for planes to bring back its 2,000 troops serving as part of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, a U.S. official said.
Can you imagine that phone call?

I'm sure if I talked to Russians about this they would give me a very good explanation for their going to war, but it still seems like just an excuse to grab some of thier empire back, in the same way the war in Iraq seems like an attempt to grab oil.
which is a shame, cus since the end of the cold war the Russians have seemed like pretty decent guys. I confess that I'm worried about where this will end, and recall the Simpsons episode where the RUssians almost go to war against the USA.

Also...
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One U.S. State Department official called the conflict a "very dangerous situation".
Now aren't you glad that there are great politicians to tell us these things?

Killy 08-11-2008 09:03 AM

Having already experienced one war in my lifetime that took almost everything away from me, I personally think war is the worst thing to ever plague mankind. War in modern Europe is just the West's way of saying "we want this" and East's way of saying "we're not handing it over". It's a conflict of interests between small groups of wealthy, corrupted people, namely politicians. And the ones who pay the price are always the civilians, who are so insignificant in the grand scheme of every war fought to acquire oil, they can't even be considered pawns, they're just fodder.

The situation in Georgia is no exception to this. Expect a huge amount of bias, lies, exaggerations etc. to circle the media in the next few months, possibly years concerning casualties, events pertaining to military actions and so on. Russia apparently wants to support the South Ossetian separatist government and as such calls itself a peace-keeping force. The one and only thing we'll hear from the Russians is that they're the ones being attacked, and although this seems to be the case, with several Russian soldiers being killed days before the actual war started, it's no wonder they deem it necessary to make a point. Bush, the worst terrorist in the world, was eager to go to war once he was elected, just to show everyone how big and brave he is. Nobody objected back then, but there's an awful amount of bullshit and protesting going on about Russia attacking Georgia due to an internal conflict.

But let's not forget about the oil, hmmkay? We all know the U.S. equipped the Georgian military after it cut off from the Soviet Union in the 90's. Russia wants to control the pipelines there, of course - neither side is an exception in this case.

It's a shame, this whole ordeal, that's for sure. But hell, Bush can't stand the fact that 1% of the global oil is fluxed through Georgia and the Russians may get their hands on it and vice versa. I just hope they'll settle this soon, but it seems unlikely...