Animals in circuses. Animal cruelty?
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....pose&chgpref=1
Okay, after that I'll try to stop making thread about animals rights here on the Oddworldforums. By the way, that is not supposed to be an advertising about PETA at all! But it's brought to you by them. And I think that these videos don't look like a fake to me. Okay so: Force animals do things they wouldn't do in nature, for money. Treat them the way they don't deserve behind the scenes. Make fear and pain become the ways they'll obey you and your commands. Entertaining? Discuss! |
Well we don't need PETA to tell us that Animal Circuses are wrong. :P I'll be short with this: It's just another human exploit in the end, IMO. Some circuses claim that by keeping rare animals in captivity, they're keeping some species alive, and that they educate people about animals, but I call bullshit on this. That's what Zoos are for, and most respectable Zoos (even though some Zoos don't treat thier animals as they should either, but that's a different discussion) don't force thier animals to perform tricks that the animals normally wouldn't do without harsh training.
The bottom line is that Animal Circuses are wrong and unnecessary. They may be traditional, but they're not needed anymore, and you can get just the same atmosphere and entertainment from any circuses that don't use animals in thier performances. They're so wrong that even the RSPCA frowns apon them, and you know that you need to make a huge, massive fuss to make them pay attention to anything because RSPCA are really lazy, right? |
Speaks for itself really. I tried coming up with ways to fix their problems without losing the animals, but all it did was turn the circus into zoo and sanctuary.
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They still use animals in circuses? Ick, I thought it was illegal now.
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Yep. Even last year here in Essex, the Great British Circus was camped in it's usual twice-yearly place, which generated a lot of controversy. I found this report from IndyMedia from when they were camped at Newark.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/02/391114.html The signs say everything. And I had to laugh at this comment so I'll post it here. :) :
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To answer this thread's question:
Well yes, it technically is Animal Cruelty. I mean, I highly doubt that's their signatures on those contracts. Don't know which will die out first: these animals they keep using, or the concept of circuses. |
@ Dark Hood:
the RSPCA aren't lazy, just underfunded and have no 'essential' authority. the volunteers that also work for them prove this. |
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We called the RSPCA twice during the 4 days the dog was kept in the shelter, and each time they used every excuse in the book to not deal with the problem. A friend called them too, but they didn't have much luck either. Eventaully the dog dissapeared - My guess is that the Gypsy types were 'looking after' it (if I can call it that) for friends of thiers or so. Perhaps it wasn't the most serious dog case ever, but the RSPCA should of at least done something. What if the dog was in that cage for longer? What if we didn't feed it? It could've been worse. And if you look online anywhere about dogs being locked up and forgotten about, many people complain that the RSPCA refuse to do anything, even when they're told that the trapped animals have no water or shelter. It's widely known amoungst many people whom we know that the RSPCA are worse than useless. {/rant} |
its well known that the RSPCA are well underfunded, and even have volunteer's working for them due to the situation. i know that many charities have volunteer's, but in these circumstances (where they act as a 'lifeline' to domesticated and wild animals, as some other charities do) i feel it is necessary for them to receive adequate government funding, or atleast be given the authority to use force in desperate situations, due to the fact that they have no authority at all.
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this really sums up the shortened version of their overall situation. you cannot judge a whole organisation/charity on one single event you experienced, or by word of mouth. things are most definately exaggerated by word of mouth (whether purposely or inadvertently), and the experience you described is most probably a rare occurrence. i myself had an experience with the RSPCA once, where a Buzzard had injured its wing and couldn't fly. not wishing the bird to get eaten by some lazy fox or what 'ave ya', i gave the RSPCA a bell, and then waited for them whilst keeping a eye on the Buzzard. the vet came out eventually, about 2 hours later, but explained they had only a few vets on call, and that he was currently not meant to be on call anyway, therefore he wasn't getting payed for the time he was spending with the bird, and was doing it as a favour. i think this charity has got enough on it's plate at the moment without bad press, but i feel they are slowly but surely getting there ('there' meaning: so big they will be hard to ignore and will hopefully then receive government funding). |
Sure, it's animal cruelty, we force animals to do unnatural deeds for our entertainment. We also kill animals and eat them, now the argument seems a little out of perspective, no?
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In all our time, we've found the RSPCA to be very fast and reliable on numerous occasions. Maybe certain areas of the country don't have as many facilities available, and as a result, workers get alot more stressed with it also.
Other than that, I can't understand why there's been any problems with them for you guys. |
I must ask, who is we?
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Our family.
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How many fucking animal cruelty threads do we need a month?
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Plus, I already said that I'll stop making threads about animal testing since this one is my second thread about that topic already. No need to get upset about it, Hobo. :
Animal testing, slaves, and the expulsion and murder of natives replacing their lands with dirty factories... human business against nature. That's what I see in the games. |
Man versus nature: the road to victory!
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I think we should set every endangered species on fire.
Even the ones in the water. |
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Man, I was stupid. :P |
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Technically man is nature, and was derived from it, so the road to victory against ourselves? In the end, it's gonna be the road to the end more like. |
The road ends, not because we have reached our goal, but because the asphalt rollers keeled over dead.
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Ah yeah XD
Hmm, well, I hate circuses anyway, its those damn clowns! But really, making ponies run around in clothes and blance on stools may look intertaining, but I don't think the animals think so. No to mention all the horrible things those carnies might of done to them. |
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A Bonsai Fuzzle thread would match the Oddworld Forums more appropriately. XD |
I beg to differ on this subject Ringling brothers actually takes care of their animals properly. over 100 years I can say it might have been crulity to animals but nowadays there are laws that prevent circuses from harming animals in such ways. From what I understood is that big name circuses like Ringling Brothers trains their animals in their natural habitat. They don't keep them in small cells anymore. So I wouldn't rule out that all circus's are cruel.
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