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Zeikio 04-28-2006 02:40 PM

How close is Oddworld to it's sun?
 
My guess is that it might be a little closer to it's sun then the Earth because they don't seem to have winter judging by what Mudokon's wear or if anything they may have very short winters maybe not even a month. I think that they may be closer to there sun or there sun might be bigger then owers. They may also have thicker atmosphere so that could have more of an inpact and I've heard that Oddworld is much, much larger then earth and with there moons it may be able to balance out the gravity so its not to hevey to crush them. Judging by the way Abe dies so easly from falling from a hight that wouldn't likely kill a human (Only some places in the games, cause some falls I can understand could kill someone) there gravity is worse then here on Earth. But then again Abe can jump very high in MO and never dies from falling so I can't really say...

Sekto Springs 04-28-2006 03:03 PM

They have wintery climates. If you'd played Stranger's Wrath you'd know that. :dodgy:

Zeikio 04-28-2006 03:28 PM

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They have wintery climates. If you'd played Stranger's Wrath you'd know that. :dodgy:

How ironic......

Wil 04-29-2006 08:16 AM

The wintery climate seen in Stranger's Wrath is in a mountainous area high above sea level, which could explain the colder climate. The Grubbs there have warmer clothing, but there are no Mudokons to compare with.

And just because no snowy Mudos winter has been observed, doesn't mean there isn't one at which point the Mudokons start wearing what they must to keep warm.

used:) 04-29-2006 10:02 AM

Let's not forget the season changes seen in the unused MO vids. I don't think they have snow in their winter, it just gets cold, like in England.

Sekto Springs 04-29-2006 10:09 AM

It really depends on where you are. I've endured my share of snowy weather whilst in England.

Xavier 04-30-2006 01:40 AM

yep used you are right:
http://www.oddworld.au.com/media/TransHab.mpeg


it's not because we never see mudokons with winter clothes tat they don't have some

Bullet Magnet 04-30-2006 09:25 AM

For those who can't stand highly detailed yet half-baked scientific answers, look away now.

As an example, look at the solar system. The only planet known to be inhabited, and indeed with a climate anything like Oddworld's, is Earth.
Let's start with the sun. The larger a star, the further away the habitable "green belt" is. The green belt is the area in which a planet is the right distance from its star to be able to harbour conventional life. However, the larger the star, the faster it uses up it's hydrogen reserves, so the shorter its life. This is due to the gravitational effects on solar nuclear fusion. So we can probably expect out sun to continue burning in its current fashion for at least 10 billion years. If it were ten times bigger, it would have exhausted its supplies after just 10 million. To get to where we are now, life has had nearly 4 billion years, so the right kind of star is needed for a planet like Earth or Oddworld to have complex multicellular life.
The green belt itself is very narrow. From Earth's distance from the sun, it extends 5% nearer to it and 15% further away. Look at Venus, which is only 25 million miles closer to the sun. Light reaches it just two minutes before it reaches us. Venus started life similar to Earth, only slightly warmer and it probably had oceans. But those few degrees of heat meant that it couldn't hold on to the water, it evaporated and the hydrogen atoms disappeared into space, and the Oxygen atoms combined with carbon. This created a thick layer of green house gasses that escalated the heat on the planet until it became hotter than Mercury, which is closer to the sun. It now has a surface temperature of 470 degrees Celsius (compared with our range of -60 degrees to 60 degrees) and the atmospheric pressure is ninety times Earth's.
Mars, being just further out, suffered the opposite fate for the same reason, and now has lots almost all of its water. What remains is mostly in the northern icecap, but the mark of its oceans still remains.
So that's our green belt. Based on what we've seen of Oddworld, it is about the same distance from its star as we are, and the star is the same kind as ours. But that is only half the story. The climate of Earth is dependent upon its moon, oceans, rotation, atmosphere, size, and even the presence of life itself. Living organisms made the current atmosphere what it is now, and have kept it steady for the past three and a half billion years. The atmosphere also stops the light side of the planet roasting while the dark side freezes, and the effect of the oceans is huge. Moving heat around the globe and creating milder winters and cooler summers near the coast. The rotation and angle create the equatorial tropics and polar icecaps, as well as all the climates in between, and the moon keeps the rotation steady. How the many moons of Oddworld affect it, I don't know, but predicting the tides must be a bitch. And the size of a planet affects it's gravity, which in turn affects the atmospheric pressure, boiling point of liquids and the way organisms grow. Tall organisms cannot exist in high gravity, whereas low gravity organisms could sprout to unearthly heights. We've been told that Oddworld is ten times the size of Earth. If this is literally true than the gravity must be much stronger, explaining it's ability to catch so many moons, but making a mystery of its life forms. Either it is not quite so big, it is imaginary so all this information here is obsolete, or there must be some exotic material in the planet's crust, mantle and core that exerted antigravity. I heard this theory in a fan fiction, where it was supposed that floating objects are built with this stuff. However, an antigravity material should blow itself apart with the same force that holds every thing together. Hmm. A dilemma.

Anyway, that's what I think. You can get back to your discussion now.

OANST 05-01-2006 10:56 AM

God, you're annoying.

used:) 05-01-2006 12:31 PM

No offense Bullet Magnet, but no one wants to read the criteria of your science notebook.

Zeikio 05-01-2006 01:34 PM

:

For those who can't stand highly detailed yet half-baked scientific answers, look away now.

As an example, look at the solar system. The only planet known to be inhabited, and indeed with a climate anything like Oddworld's, is Earth.
Let's start with the sun. The larger a star, the further away the habitable "green belt" is. The green belt is the area in which a planet is the right distance from its star to be able to harbour conventional life. However, the larger the star, the faster it uses up it's hydrogen reserves, so the shorter its life. This is due to the gravitational effects on solar nuclear fusion. So we can probably expect out sun to continue burning in its current fashion for at least 10 billion years. If it were ten times bigger, it would have exhausted its supplies after just 10 million. To get to where we are now, life has had nearly 4 billion years, so the right kind of star is needed for a planet like Earth or Oddworld to have complex multicellular life.
The green belt itself is very narrow. From Earth's distance from the sun, it extends 5% nearer to it and 15% further away. Look at Venus, which is only 25 million miles closer to the sun. Light reaches it just two minutes before it reaches us. Venus started life similar to Earth, only slightly warmer and it probably had oceans. But those few degrees of heat meant that it couldn't hold on to the water, it evaporated and the hydrogen atoms disappeared into space, and the Oxygen atoms combined with carbon. This created a thick layer of green house gasses that escalated the heat on the planet until it became hotter than Mercury, which is closer to the sun. It now has a surface temperature of 470 degrees Celsius (compared with our range of -60 degrees to 60 degrees) and the atmospheric pressure is ninety times Earth's.
Mars, being just further out, suffered the opposite fate for the same reason, and now has lots almost all of its water. What remains is mostly in the northern icecap, but the mark of its oceans still remains.
So that's our green belt. Based on what we've seen of Oddworld, it is about the same distance from its star as we are, and the star is the same kind as ours. But that is only half the story. The climate of Earth is dependent upon its moon, oceans, rotation, atmosphere, size, and even the presence of life itself. Living organisms made the current atmosphere what it is now, and have kept it steady for the past three and a half billion years. The atmosphere also stops the light side of the planet roasting while the dark side freezes, and the effect of the oceans is huge. Moving heat around the globe and creating milder winters and cooler summers near the coast. The rotation and angle create the equatorial tropics and polar icecaps, as well as all the climates in between, and the moon keeps the rotation steady. How the many moons of Oddworld affect it, I don't know, but predicting the tides must be a bitch. And the size of a planet affects it's gravity, which in turn affects the atmospheric pressure, boiling point of liquids and the way organisms grow. Tall organisms cannot exist in high gravity, whereas low gravity organisms could sprout to unearthly heights. We've been told that Oddworld is ten times the size of Earth. If this is literally true than the gravity must be much stronger, explaining it's ability to catch so many moons, but making a mystery of its life forms. Either it is not quite so big, it is imaginary so all this information here is obsolete, or there must be some exotic material in the planet's crust, mantle and core that exerted antigravity. I heard this theory in a fan fiction, where it was supposed that floating objects are built with this stuff. However, an antigravity material should blow itself apart with the same force that holds every thing together. Hmm. A dilemma.

Anyway, that's what I think. You can get back to your discussion now.


:cheer: I like it!

Bullet Magnet 05-02-2006 09:48 AM

I did warn you. :p

magic9mushroom 05-02-2006 03:22 PM

Earth has a very dense core. Just because Oddworld is ten times the size of Earth does not mean it has ten times the gravity as it could be much less dense.

Glukinator 05-02-2006 05:00 PM

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I don't think they have snow in their winter.

I don't think they even have winter......or do they. Do they?

used:) 05-02-2006 05:14 PM

Read all of the posts and then you will find your answer.

magic9mushroom 05-03-2006 04:24 PM

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Read all of the posts and then you will find your answer.

You could state the answer used

Xavier 05-04-2006 02:14 AM

and you could have read the full thread...
it's a bit selfish to ask for others to look up things for you