Theories of Reproducing
 

This is a list of my Theories of Reproducing:

Theory 1:
The Queens (Sam/Maggie/Skillya/...) are the only Females.
So: One Race= One Queen

Questions:
-Who's the father?
-Hermaphrodites? -> What do they need so many males for?
-If the Queen dies, die whole race would die out.

Theory 2:
Every tribe has its own queen. Sam is probably kidnapped by the Vykkers or Glkkons or whatever.


Theory 3:
They do it like humans do. Sam is just an experiment by the Vykkers, to produce many eggs.


Theory 4:
It's different from tribe to tribe. Some have Queens, some do it like humans do.

Theorie A
-fertilization
-Females coulden't worked so hard like males
-The nature is hard...

I go with the Ant principle!

Personally I believe that every species has a different reproducing system. However, I quite like the idea that certain species have a queen. I would however, like to see a highly developed species that must use cloning to reproduce, like the Azgard from Stargate. Not only does it touch on the iffy subject of cloning, which I believe would be quite a good concept for Oddworld to focus on (like slave labour, animal testing, etc), but I could envision the Vykkers doing so. Shame that they are Hermaphrodites.

Alcar...

And what are those? Hermawhateverpodites...

@Havoc:
hybrids (both genders in one)

EDIT: translated at freetranslations.com

.:VaniLLaKiLLah:.

It's been confirmed that in the mudokon reproduction system the queens are the only females...the common mudokons are the workers/drones, if you will.

Queens. So there are others?

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I drew a picture of what a Vykker Queen might look like once. What a nightmare.

i agree with oddys about the ant priciple

It does sound like mudokons breed the same way ants do. There's always been some speculation as to whether or not Sam is the only queen or not. She's certainly the only Mud queen we know about. And I think I remember somewhere Lorne was quoted as saying the main species of oddworld were all based on insects. Speaking of which, does it look like Steef are the first mammals we've seen on Oddworld?

EDIT: Intelligent mammals. Meeps at least are probably mammals too.

Just a side question, but does anyone think there is pimping and/or whoring on Oddworld?
*edit* Kicks self in the buttox for being the stupid.

Hermaphrodites. Heh, that came up in a Biology discussion today. Anyways, the Azgard? Gosh, the name is familiar. They were allies, but who were they again? I've slacked upon my SG1 watching, which may as well be a sin......

Well, ok. I thought about T2 and came up with the following idea:
Every tribe has its own Queen. So the Vykkers/Glukkon(or what the hell ever) may have kidnapped Sam from one of the tribes.
Sam wouldn't be the only Mudokon to give birth to the babies. So, if she dies the whole Mudokon popularity wouldn't die out.
Then I thought about the drone-thing, and came up with the following question:
What are Drones?
I think Drones are males and females(not fertiles) alike, who take care of the Queen.
That would be the ant principle.

.:VaniLLaKiLLah:.

One can do that converted again in such a way: There are none visible differentiated between females and males.

Drones are Worker.
Mudokons are the "Worker class" Oddworld.com call!
and:
As a worker class of the Mudokon super
species, Abe has no sexual organs.

No sexual organs! No sex! No repruducion under the worker class!

That confirm Theorie 1!

nobody said that.
and that doesn't confirm T1!
:P

.:VaniLLaKiLLah:.

You can reproducion without organs for that?

and again: nobody said that there is reproduction under the worker class.
of course you can't if you don't have these special organs.

.:VaniLLaKiLLah:.

You want more definition?
OK!
here:

I believe the Mudokons live in a kind of box system. Of my view whole of 2 box consists:

1: Worker caste
2. Queen caste

Worker caste provides for it that the Queen caste is supplied. The Queen caste is thus a kind of leader. The Queen caste provides for it it constantly enough regenerated in the box system gives. The Worker class again provides for the eggs, so that these slip. Abe belongs thereby to more worker class. It does not have sexual organs according to inhbaitants. Therefore a second gender would be redundant! The Queen caste is thus fertilizing! With the ants repeatedly a new Queen is born. Those fights then with the older Queen for the rule of the building. Similarly could run also with mudokons.

So, you're actually for T2.
queen caste: not only one queen, right?

.:VaniLLaKiLLah:.

Not the onliest Queen!
One big Trunk - one Queen!

But the Mudokon Trunk on Mudos ist the one trunk we know!

What is when she dies?
the whole Mudokon popularity will die out.

.:VaniLLaKiLLah:.

The popularity of the trunk we know will die!

possibly thus all!

The Azgard (my spelling of the species may be incorrect) were the cute, tiny and green aliens, with over-sized craniums. In order for them to reproduce, they had to infact not reproduce as defined by humans, but to clone themselves. With each clone they came closer to destroying themselves, as each clone's cells gained more and more imperfections each time a cloning was carried out.

Yes, that is correct. Which would tend to suggest that a higher class, or more evolved (or perhaps less evolved, think genetic engineering) species of Mudokons with sexual organs exist. The actual organs, however, may not be where, or what, traditional sexual organs are.

Alcar...

@Oddys:
trunk=tribe?
well if so, you can't say Sam is the only female!

.:VaniLLaKiLLah:.

Trunk= Stamm (auf gut deutsch)

No I can't say this.
But I think so!

(alles klar, Kollege...) ;)
but that's not logical, when Sam dies the whole Mudokon popularity wil DIE OUT!
plus: a mudokons avarenge life span is 40 years. and i don't think the mudokons popularity exists less than 40 years.

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Slowly I am confused...
I speak in momment only of the trunk, which we know. Whether the other trunks there are uch still Queens has, is unclear to me.
It's also unclear to me whether there are at all different trunks...
If one assumes however that it it gives, then Sam will be probably also not the only Queen. In addition, one cannot clarify that with theories.
We can employ assumptions in this thread only.
I have never said, Sam is the only Queen. I said only she is the one Queen we know. And to it that is clarified it still different Mudokon of trunks gives, assumes I, Sam the none is feminine. Anyhow until now.
Since the Queens is genetically differently conditioned than mudokons, it is also possible it longer lives.

The Magog Cartel clearly wants to prolong the lifespan of the Mudokon Queen, as they have her tended to by a whole track of Shrinks (pun intended). How long she lives is a mystery to me, but I'd imagine she'd live longer than most Mudokons.

Alcar...

Theres probabally more Mudokon queens out there scattered across Oddworld. But then again Mudokons are only native as we know to Mudos.

My theory is that if the queen dies, before she dies she naturally lays an egg with a new queen so that it can take her place when the old queen is dead. Like its part of the genetic makeup of the queen species. before they die they will birth to a new queen unless the queen is sick and the sickness somehow alters the genetic makeup of her birthing cycle.

I think thats how it works. Before a queen dies the genetic makeup of her birthing process simply makes the queen naturally give birth to a new queen thus keeping reproduction of the species from naturally dieing out from old age.

And I believe the same birthing cycle is in every queen not only Mudokons but Glukkons and sligs and so forth and so on.

Its also confirmed that there are a species with females and males. Look at the Clackerz. That Clacker was a female Clacker mentioned in the December's Daily Deception. So the theory is probabally deverse in all areas of reproduction. Oddworld most likely has everything.

Times ago, I have ideas near this, but now, I don't believe in it...

What if she dies suddenly?
getting shot or something?

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Well if that happened then there won't be anymore queen thus no more repruduction plus the species will just live until the very last member of that species dies. Then they would be extinct.

But highly unlikely somebody is going to shoot Sam or any queen because they know she is the source of the slave Labor or the source of the population. Sam is probabaly the most valuable resource to the Magog Cartel.

No Sam no Mudokons no slave labor no employees for Glukkons thus running them out of business and moolah. I am sure Sam is heavely guarded.


Paramiteabe... :fuzblink:

We don't know for sure how similar the Odddworld feudal reproductive system is to ants and bees but with insects all the workers are female. To make a queen, a normal baby is fed Royal Jelly (for bees at least, I don't know what its called for ants) which makes them grow big. If they are not fed the jelly their reproductive organs never develop. Thus if Sam died unexpectedly they could just feed the equivalent of Royal Jelly to a baby Mud and create a new queen.

On the other hand male bees (drones) are unique and only serve to impregnate the queen, who then pops out a pile of kids from the one encounter. The interesting thing is that queen and drone ants have wings and actually mate flying in the air. I actually asked Alf once if Sam and Maggie have wings to flit around with but he didn't really give an answer

BTW I'm confused; what do people mean by 'trunk'?

trunk=tribe

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(EDIT: is that spam?) :fuzconf:

In a queens lifetime, about 1/1000th (at a guess, maybe 1/1mil) of her spawn would be female. These would be princesses, trained to become the queen once she dies. Once she does, one of them becomes the queen and that queens sisters remain as princesses, most likely kept by the Magog Cartel in isolation or a prison like area. The females of the queen reproduction species are obviously larger and probably have much stronger skin and better immune systems so they can survive longer.

Is this a realworld species we know of? It seems as if you're talking about the Mudokons with very exacting knowledge, yet I was under the impression that our information wasn't this specific. I'm just wondering, is this conjecture or fact? And if its fact, why doesn't it seem like Abe's future focus is getting a princess, rather than Sam? (presumably it would be easier to free a princess--lighter security, no shrink watching over her, no giant egg sac filled with mudokon young)

Alf at one point talked about impregnating the queen with Drones, so we know that part is fact. Or at least a conceptual fact. The real wonder begins with the number of queens, and how they come to be queens. We also know that there used to be a number of Mudokon tribes. These probably worked based on kinship or clan lines, so it makes sense that there used to be more than one queen at a time. With that in mind it follows that queen mudokons may be given the jelly, or several queens may be born at once. I'm not sure how ants come to have so many queens (one for each nest) but its likely that mudokons would follow along this line if left alone.

As Esus stated, I'm sure that every now and again there is another mudokon queen born, but what the Magog Cartel do with it is unknown. If I was them, I think I might just kill it and trust that Sam would have another before she died. That's wierd, but I can't see Glukkons going out of their way to double the number of slaves, as each slave must be fed and brought up. Still, there is "currently" a shortage, and its not as if they feed slave muds expensive foods. Also with the shorter time span before maturity, they could start them working around three or four, I guess. It's difficult to say. But if they do keep the new queen, wouldn't they just kill Sam? It's not like them to be smart with resources.

Sam is the only Mudokon queen, nowadays, but back when Mudokons were a prosperous tribal people, each tribe had its own queen - so there was a Mudanchee queen, a Mudoncho queen, a Mulletokon queen, etc. The queen is indeed fertilised by drones, although how a queen produces the next queen is unknown. The princesses Esus talked about exist in super species on Earth, such as termites, and it amuses me of, later on in the series, Abe having to rescue Mudokon princesses from, oh, let's say a castle. It could be like Tarantino or Wilde; making fun of their own mediums of entertainment respectively.

To add to that, though, the Mudokons we've seen are not technically females, they're assexual, and are neither male nor female. They do, however, have male voices and such, and I'm told Lorne once gave a reason for that, but I can't remember if he did. I'll start getting on to my sources again.

probably because male gamers would relate more to a male-esque Abe whilst female gamers wouldn't care.

I once suggested on the forum that Abe may save Sam from her own misery by euthanasing her and raising another queen who would really just be a puppet ruler with Abe pulling the strings WHOHAHAHAHAAHA

sorry, I'll just make an appointment with my therapist

Wow. I went through all those posts to say this:
Fuzzles look like mamals as well, and must be resonably inteligent.
However, I have gone through the rest of the posts as well and the latest that I can effect is probably this.
An average bee drone, when not killed prematurely and just worn out, would like to be about one year old - or five, I can't remember which. An average queen bee has the estimated life span of a human. If the mudokons were scaled up Bees, Sam might live to be about - find me a calculator, I'm not doing maths on the holidays - 20 x 75 (Or thereabouts) is 1 500 years, or 4 (20/5, instead of 20/1) um, 4 x 75 is 300 years. However, keep in mind (As I'm sure most of you have) that this is only if the muds were scaled up bees and that the life span of a shrink is an indicator that either the Magog are expecting more or Sam's life span is very, very large.

Right, I'd forgotten about them since they're...blob things with fur. But without a doubt intelligent. I've actually often wondered if they had been created by the Vykkers some time ago and a few had escaped into the wild and reproduced. (I think someone else mentioned this possibility before) What sort of natural evolutionary situation could be set up where it was beneficial to have no appendages, be able to talk, and yet remain carniverous?
I'm betting that its a bit of both. A Mudokon queen would have pretty severe longevity, and the Cartel is certainly jumping through hoops to keep her producing. By the way, is it possible that Sam is the only Mudokon queen ever to have been imprisoned? Even though it must have taken several generations to reach the point we're now at, I think Sam could be the only one they've ever had. If there's info otherwise, I'm all ears.

Seargentbig, good call on the bee thing.