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Crig 01-15-2004 10:55 AM

A Unknown Oddworld Creature?
 
On Munch's Oddysee,I am on Paramite Run.I possessed a paramite and played around with it and then I saw a dead creature with it's bones showing.It was big and it wasn't an Oddworld creature I was familiar with.It's skull was shaped like a dragon's skull.Has anyone noticed this?

Abeguy 01-15-2004 10:56 AM

get a pic and i shall see :fuzconf:

Crig 01-15-2004 11:06 AM

I couldn't find a picture of the one in Paramite Run,but I found one in the Scrab level.The dead creature looks like the one in Paramite Run.

http://oddworld.com/universe/wildlif.../scroll07.html
and
http://oddworld.com/universe/wildlif.../scroll04.html

GrigtheSlig 01-15-2004 01:24 PM

Hmmm, Interesting... I've noticed that too, but I couldn't figure out what it is... I bet Xav or Max would know more.

paramiteabe 01-15-2004 03:26 PM

There was a huge topic on this last year we all came to the conclusion that the creature could very well be a sea rex. That same Skelaton was found also in AE in the conceptual artwork done on the game for the Necrum Valts. Only in AE it was enormous. I found these two paintings of the Mudomo and Mudanchee valts. If you notice in these pieces the same or similar rib cage is seen in the envirorment around the valts. So it was intended for AE aswell but never made it into the final cut. I think we are going to learn more about this creatures. The reason we say its a Sea Rex is because the envirorments in Munch look like a dried up river bed. Even in AE it looks like a dried up area of water possably a lake. The first picture is of the Mudomo valts and there are two skelatons in it. One in the background and the other in the foreground. And the other picture is an early concept of the Mudanchee valts. The skeliton in it is absolutly enormous. Far more incredible looking then what we saw in Munch. But if Munch was going to be the original vision then it could have been what we see in these paintings.:D

http://www.depthsofoddworld.com/imag...ails/mvgd7.jpg


http://www.depthsofoddworld.com/imag...nails/mgd5.jpg

GrigtheSlig 01-15-2004 03:32 PM

Cool! I thought I heard something about it a while back, but I guess I for got... Thanx PA!

Crig 01-15-2004 03:34 PM

I've never heard of a Sea Rex. :fuzconf:

Thats alot of info there,PA.Good job. :fuzwink:

paramiteabe 01-15-2004 03:52 PM

The Sea Rex was an enormous creature that was going to show up in Munch but never made it to the game. Most likely we will see it in future games. That is why we think the skelaton is a Sea Rex. But we arent really sure what it is. But one thing is common each picture the sketaton exists in the envirorments where eather paramites or scrabs reside. Even in AE with the concept art. Those are the valts where scrabs and paramites reside in.

So my guess is that this creature could be a delicasy to paramites and scrabs as odd as that may sound.

One can't kill it but a whole pack of paramites and a herd of scrabs may be able take this creature down. Almost like how small carniverous dinosaurs take out one Brontosaurs. Interesting!

oddguy 01-15-2004 06:53 PM

Yeah, the same thing happened with Elums. They were supposed to be in the game all 3D and such, but they never made the final cut. But, you can see an Elum carcas lying on a operating table in the Vykker Suites level. Of course, most of you kids already know this.

-oddguy :fuzwink:

Wil 01-16-2004 03:26 AM

I wouldn't say for certain that all those skeletons come from the same species. The one in the Mudanchee Vaults appears to have a beak and more dispersed ribs than those in the Paramite Run and Scrab Retreat, and I can't see anything but ribs in the Mudomo Vaults. They may be the same, but I'm not saying anything. We do know that Sea Rexes are meant to be bloomin' huge, though. Maybe those in MO were younger ones that got caught when the water bed dried up.

Interesting finds, PA, I'd never really looked at those images before. Does Xav have them any bigger?

MrBoj 01-16-2004 04:52 AM

that's truly amazing! I love the "conceptual continuity" that runs between concept art and the final product. kudos on that connection. I never really thought those bones night be the remains of a sea rex.

Xavier 01-16-2004 08:04 AM

bigger version:
http://www.oddworld.com/universe/nat...oll_prod07.jpg
http://www.oddworld.com/universe/nat...oll_prod06.jpg

Crig 01-16-2004 09:28 AM

If Sea Rex are enormous,I wouldn't expect to see a baby Sea Rex to be that big.Does anyone agree with me?

Those pics look like that the size of a Sea Rex would be the size of a house.And in MO,it was only the size of a elelphant or some animal near that size.

Xavier 01-16-2004 09:34 AM

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Those pics look like that the size of a Sea Rex would be the size of a house.And in MO,it was only the size of a elelphant or some animal near that size.

sorry but where did you see that? I can only recall they told us they were huge, but without any other informations

Crig 01-16-2004 09:38 AM

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sorry but where did you see that? I can only recall they told us they were huge, but without any other informations

Well,it's a guess.The dead one in MO does look like the size of a baby elephant don't you think?And in those pictures that you showed us,they we're huge.

Xavier 01-16-2004 09:51 AM

yeah I think you are right, but they still can be something else then a SeaRex, it doesn't have to be a known creature :fuzwink:

Wil 01-16-2004 10:00 AM

That's a bloody big house! In the second picture, bear in mind that the Mudokon is standing in the foreground, much closer to the 'camera' than the skeleton in the background.

I wish I had a house that big. *dreams*

sligster 01-16-2004 05:02 PM

[QUOTE=Xavier]bigger version:
http://www.oddworld.com/universe/nat...oll_prod07.jpg


is it just me, or does the skelly in the background look like an enormouse cacoon of some sort? :fuzconf:

Crig 01-16-2004 05:23 PM

sligster,that would be a picture of a Sea Rex. :fuzwink:

oddguy 01-16-2004 05:37 PM

Well, it hasn't exactly been confirmed as a SeaRex. There's still much speculation about all this. OWI just mentioned that the SeaRex is big. That doesn't make everything that's huge on Oddworld a SeaRex!:p

-oddguy :fuzcool:

Crig 01-16-2004 06:03 PM

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Well, it hasn't exactly been confirmed as a SeaRex. There's still much speculation about all this. OWI just mentioned that the SeaRex is big. That doesn't make everything that's huge on Oddworld a SeaRex!:p

-oddguy :fuzcool:

True,true.If we can get a real photo of a Sea Rex and can compare it to the two pics that PA found,then we can find out if there Sea Rex.

paramiteabe 01-16-2004 07:20 PM

Thats the thing there is no photograph of the Sea Rex.

But in the early Mudomo painting that huge thing that looks like a cacoon in the background is the valt. The Skeliton is actually real tiny right below the cacoon structure. You have to look real close at the bottom of the cacoon structure to see the background rib cage.

Paramiteabe... :fuzblink:

oddguy 01-16-2004 08:19 PM

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Thats the thing there is no photograph of the Sea Rex.

There is a photo of SeaRex. Although, it doesn't show it in it's entirety.

http://www.depthsofoddworld.com/imag..._rex_small.jpg

I think Xav has a better picture.

-oddguy :fuzblink:

Fez 01-16-2004 10:42 PM

i was thinking something along the lines of the Liopleurodon, a huge flesh-eating whale thing. the "T-rex" of the sea.

http://natmus.uio.no/palmus/wwd/liopleurodon_bbc.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dinosaurs/chron...opleurodon.jpg

http://www.depthsofoddworld.com/imag..._rex_small.jpg

you can see the resemblance.

Xavier 01-17-2004 12:22 AM

nope sorry, I don't have any bigger picture of the SeaRex :fuzsad:

Crig 01-17-2004 03:11 AM

The colors on the Sea Rex and uhhh...Dinosuar thing look very the same.

Maybe that's the idea on how they came up with Sea Rex? :fuzconf:

Wil 01-17-2004 04:12 AM

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But in the early Mudomo painting that huge thing that looks like a cacoon in the background is the valt.

Actually, it's a/the cryptoon (I'm not sure whether there's one or many). Here are some more images:

http://www.oddworld.com/universe/nat...oll_prod06.jpg

http://www.oddworld.com/universe/nat...oll_prod08.jpg

And my personal favourite:

http://www.oddworld.com/universe/nat...oll_prod05.jpg

Regarding the Sea Rex, it does seem as if it will take on an aquatic dinosaur style, although I'd hope there's more to it than that. Although, it you ask me, that sole image looks more like a Chest Burtster with its cheeky grin. :fuzgrin:

Fez 01-17-2004 07:13 AM

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Although, it you ask me, that sole image looks more like a Chest Burtster with its cheeky grin. :fuzgrin:

lol, i never looked at it that way but your right!

TheRaisin 01-18-2004 05:10 PM

My gosh you people are stupid. How could the skeletons in MO be from SeaRex? They're freshly killed! You can see blood around them, and meat still on the bones. If these were the remains of SeaRex that were trapped when lakes dried up, the lakes would have had to dry up pretty darn quick. I'm sure these are just some creatures we haven't seen yet. As for the concept art... who knows? Maybe those are the skeletons of SeaRex that were, as you speculated, caught on dry land as lakes dried up. They're certainly old enough, unlike the ones in MO. But it seems like it would be better to just not make any speculations until we have more info. And, of course, there's the possibility that these remains don't mean anything at all, that they weren't designed with any specific creature in mind, that they were just put in to make it look cool, and that we never will see a SeaRex or whatever creature they are. I'm betting on the latter: not everything has to tie into the storyline, or aspects of future games. Oh well, whatever. I justed wanted to point out that, if SeaRex are sea creatures, as their name would suggest, then those ones in MO could not be SeaRex remains because they are freshly killed.

P.S. Sweet Liopleurodon pics, Ferill. Did you get them from the Science Channel?

Oddsville 01-18-2004 05:16 PM

There is that video with the SeaRex briefly in it. From what I've seen it has more of a Pleaseasaur type of body and is very large. I don't know where the video is now, but if Xav or someone could find it and capture the breif image of it swiming in the background then we could begin to compare. However, I still think that the creature in MO is just one of the many other Oddworld creatures that we've never seen.

Sekto Springs 01-18-2004 06:02 PM

I agree with Raisin, noway thats a searex, maybe a land dwelling creature of the same race, but not an actual searex, a landrex possibly? Anyway i noticed that it has large sharp teeth which brought me to the conclusion that it was carniverous, but it appears the paramites/scrabs had eaten it, this surprises. Surely a carniverous creature of that size could fight off a pack of paramites or scrabs. But we will have to wait of course hopefully they will be revealed.

oh, and please locate that video somebody, i'd do anything to see it.

Wil 01-19-2004 06:10 AM

I say we turn to the Alfster for more speculative evidence.

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Q: Hey Alf, I was just wondering in Munch's Oddysee there is a huge skeleton bone in the Paramite Run stage, I was just wondering if you could clear that one up... There is no creature in Oddworld that big that I have seen yet... Is that Searex I have heard a little about ..

Alf: You are correct. It is a creature that you have not seen yet.


Reading it, it looks like Alf is confirming only that it is a creature we have not seen; however, that's not to say it isn't a Sea Rex.

A good observation, Raisin. In a past thread, someone theorised that the Sea Rex could have been hauled there by the Glukkons to keep the Scrabs and Paramite sustained, but we have been told many times that Sea Rexes are left alone by all. However, there's nothing to say the lake's drying up wasn't accelerated by artificial means, a la the Reservoir Row level, leaving the young Sea Rex stranded. There's also nothing to indicate Sea Rexes can't survive a reasonable time on land without suffocating.

EDIT: You beat me to it, sligster. If the creature were like a Sea Rex but land dwelling, that would make a more significant difference than simply being different races - different species or genera, possibly. But I get what you mean. However, two interesting notes:

1) If the creature was subdued, maybe it couldn't fight back - ie it was aquatic and stranded.

2) The skeleton doesn't have any feet. I know for Oddworld that doesn't mean much, but one would suspect and land creature to have something solid to support its weight.

Sekto Springs 01-19-2004 06:35 AM

after reading your input Max i must agree with you. But i stil stand firm that it's not an actual searex, let's think about the word Sea-Rex.

Sea- a large body of water smaller than an ocean is what I'd wager, and salt water. But i guess that part may not matter on OW

Rex- latin name for king, and given name to a male

I personally didn't think that the paramite or scrab run areas were large enough or deep enough to house a searex, or to be a sea for that matter. And in the searex picture, it seems that they give off some sort of self-alumination leading me to think they live in very deep, dark waters and need light and those run areas are not deep enough without a doubt. But like I said, it could be a smaller Rex like maybe a lakerex, or like i said, a landrex. I mean, who said there's only one rex?

Wil 01-19-2004 06:44 AM

If I weren't you, I wouldn't break down the names of creatures. White rhinos aren't white, and jellyfish aren't fish. :p

But you're right, for a Sea Rex to get there, the lake would have to be a fair way above the surface of the highest of those teirs - which frankly does seem unlikely, as the entire plateau would then need to be flooded, which would cover a vast area of Mudos in water.

But then again, in MO we have native vending machines and floating metal islands.

Sekto Springs 01-19-2004 07:04 AM

yes, sorry about the breaking down the names thing, i was really just looking for an excuse to use my new dictionary, but still i learned something new :p

Anyway i had a thought, the resevoir row area seems very large, surely large enough to house atleast a few searexes, I mean before the resevoirs were placed in the place could have been plenty deep enough for a searex. Eventually, the glukkon bastiches moved in and drained the water, the searexes were forced to move or die in conditions that are unadaptable, a few survivors may have escaped through tunnels, and smaller bodies of water that lead away from the mouth of the resevoired area. a few stragglers most likely lost their way and ende up in the future run areas. The run areas were probly much more shallow and they died of unadaptable conditions before the water disappeared and the paramites/scrabs ate the remains. But that's just one of my small thoughts that i expanded to sound smart :p

Wil 01-19-2004 07:22 AM

Great theory, SS - finally something that links two levels in MO. :p Someone once did claim to have seen a Sea Rex under the water in the Reservoir Row level, but nobody's ever been able to confirm that.

Sekto Springs 01-19-2004 07:27 AM

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Great theory, SS - finally something that links two levels in MO. :p Someone once did claim to have seen a Sea Rex under the water in the Reservoir Row level, but nobody's ever been able to confirm that.

I doubt that. Remember that the water was way too shallow for a searex, even though the water got deeper as you progessed i doubt a searex conjured up out of nowhere when the water was deep enough. :p

Fez 01-19-2004 07:37 AM

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P.S. Sweet Liopleurodon pics, Ferill. Did you get them from the Science Channel?

nope, just typed Lipleurodon in a Google image search.

who says it has to be Searex blood? you know what Scrabs and Paramites are like, they probably killed eachother over it as it is probably a good mating place?

Sekto Springs 01-19-2004 01:50 PM

http://www.dynamicearth.co.uk/dinosa...card31_big.jpg

this isn't a Lipleurodon, it is a Ophthalmasaurus

edit: i added attachments of some more pictures you can compare with a searex, including an assortment of heads, i will draw a quick sketch of a searex based on the dinosaur pics and searex pic

Fez 01-22-2004 08:07 AM

no mate, it is a lipleurodon. Opthalmasaurus is the smaller dolphin like fish swimming away.