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paramiteabe 12-15-2001 02:56 AM

How big do you think untire planet of Oddworld is?
 
I think it is as large as Jupetor. Maybe even bigger. We know it is 20 times bigger than earth. Maybe the size of the sun. That explains the deverse culture and life. Oddworlds gravity must be extremely strong. Who knows.

Alcar 12-15-2001 03:22 AM

Firstly Oddworld is 10 times bigger than Earth. And yeah the gravity would probably be more dense

Xavier 12-15-2001 07:14 AM

yeah... the gravity must be amasing...
How can muds walk, they should be pletted on the ground

One, Two, Middlesboogie 12-15-2001 07:40 AM

Niteowl explains his theory about the gravity in 'Only Hyoo-Mun' (which, incidentally, is the greatest Oddworld fanfic ever... read it if you haven't already done so):

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Another strange thing about Oddworld; its sheer size suggested that its gravity should have crushed the humans on arrival, but it was fairly comfortable. Evidently, there was an element here that canceled out some of the gravity. Perhaps it was the same element the Jarrek and his friends had salvaged from the old security orbs to build the hovertrucks and skybikes.

There did not seem to be a lot of seismic activity on this planet. The precarious architecture he'd seen wouldn't have survived otherwise.

Danny 12-15-2001 08:42 AM

I'm not a Geologist, but would a faster spin cycle counteract the high gravity? If that were so, then Gravity on Oddworld would appear to be significantly greater at the poles. I think that would be a good idea for OWI, since it would give a great variety of wildlife, since those living further away from the equator would have to be stronger and bulkier.

Gluk Schmuck 12-15-2001 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by Rettick:
I'm not a Geologist, but would a faster spin cycle counteract the high gravity?
Yes


If Oddworld doesn't spin faster than the earth then the Mudokons may have much stronger or better-positioned muscles to cope with a higher gravity than on Earth.

I like your idea, Dan.

Xavier 12-15-2001 09:36 AM

hey, cool idee...

We go to analyse the Oddworld astrology, we alredy know there are 5 moons

Oddsville 12-15-2001 10:50 AM

Also in the Stock Yards of Abes Oddysee we see tons of different kinds of "celestial bodies", Im not sure which are moons and which are planets but if they are plants then they seem to be in Oddworlds Orbit, which would suggest an extreem gravitational pull.

[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: Oddsville ]

Wil 12-15-2001 12:22 PM

Heh, because I'm me, I played through the stockyards and counted something like 27 celestial bodies, including Abe's Moon. And this is just in one small portion of Oddworld's sky!

Xavier 12-15-2001 01:40 PM

27.. that's a lot, on earth we have 2 sometimes 3 platets taht we can see, no much

Eibu 12-15-2001 01:55 PM

*coughit'sonlyagamecough*

sorry, I guess I'm a party pooper...BTW which scenes can you see five moons?

Xavier 12-15-2001 02:21 PM

there is no scene redy yet...
We just know each hero will have a moon

Lampion 12-15-2001 02:26 PM

Some astronomic info: planets with bigger mass than Earth has a much faster rotational spin. jupiter's rotation period is about 10 earth hours, for instance.

but we don't know exactly how big is Oddworld, compared to Earth, because if it's diameter is ten times bigger than Earth, it's volume will be 3/4 Pi(10xR)3 or so, (I can't remember the formula to the volume of an sphere). On the other hand if we are talking about its voulme, compared to Earth, than, we have to make another calculus to find the diameter of Oddworld, wich will be far less than 10 times the diameter of Earth.... blah, blah,blah.

In addition to that, as Middlesboggie told us, the gravity of a planet depends also on what kind of material it is formed. If Oddworld is formed by light substances, not metals, like most of Earth's core(Irun), it would contribute to a weaker gravitational force field.

And last ,but not least, your are right, Rettick, about the spinning movemenet diminish the Gravity close to the Equator's line, but the planet would have to spin in a really fast pace so that phenomenon could be percieved by a human, for instance. The fact the the planet is deformed in its poles, forming an elipse rather than an sphere, tends to canceal this "centrifugal force" effect, because the ammount of mass close to the equator is somewhat bigger than around the poles...blah, blah, blah. :)

[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: Lampion ]

Danny 12-15-2001 03:59 PM

"4/3 x Pi x radius cubed" is the formula for the volume of a Sphere.

Lampi: But if the Planet were bigger than Earth, and spun faster, then the difference in Gravity would be much more noticeable...

Oddsville 12-15-2001 05:58 PM

Im not sure but if the surface of the planet was larger wouldn't it even out, for example if Oddworld spun as fast as Earth than wouldn't it be alot less gravified. I thought that the speed of the planets circulation would even the gravity out in contrast to its size?

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Danny 12-15-2001 06:29 PM

That's what I'm saying. I'm a little confused about what you're saying, though - are you saying that this always happens? In that case, you're wrong, because if that were true, then all planets [and moons, any spherical body] would have the same Gravity...

Eibu 12-15-2001 06:32 PM

:: party pooper walks back into the thread::

So...uh...umm...ano ne...

Does anybody else think there is WAY to much thought going into this?

Here's my theory...Lanning-san wants to have a lot of options for future Oddworld games that may not take place or have anything to do with the stories thus far and so said that Oddworld was SO big that some parts of the world don't know what's going on at the others, thus giving him creative freedom/excuse to practically do whatever he wants on Oddworld.

As for the gravity...I think it's like asking where solid ground is in "The Jetsons".

:: party pooper walks out of the thread::

[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: Eibu ]

Danny 12-15-2001 06:36 PM

Eibu, we all know that this is just a game, but is there really any harm in thinking about things like this?

Eibu 12-15-2001 06:40 PM

No there is not...I'm sure I used to have convo's like this all the time back in the day

I'm sorry, I just had to get my thoughts in. I'm actually impressed in some ways about all this math that's going on, should have paid more attention in Physics last year even though I got an A...

Danny 12-15-2001 07:51 PM

"Back in the days"?

Anyway, I find this kind of speculation amusing, so don't burst my bubble. And it's good practise for MY Physics in June...

Oddsville 12-15-2001 08:49 PM

Sorry for my confusing explenation Rettick, what I should have said was for each size of a planet and the speed it spins would even it out to what its gravity should be like. Still alittle confusing, take the moon for example. Its reletivly small compared to the Earth and its spins very slowly, so its gravity is almost none. If a giant planet spun slowly than the gravity would probably be medium, but if the giant planet spun at a moderat pace than the gravity would be slightly larger than Earths, and lastly if a giant planet spun quickly than that gravity would be extreem. I know its really confusing and its really hard to explain so just forget my idea.

paramiteabe 12-15-2001 09:16 PM

I alweys thought of Oddworld haveing a ring system orbiting it like Saturn. I know we can't see a ring in the Oddworld skyline but there could be a ring. Maybe in the last CG movie at the very end of the last game in the quintology the camra will pan out into space and reveal the untire planet of Oddworld to us before it goes to the credits. That would be a nice finally to the ending I think. And we could see all five moons circling Oddworld. And as the camra moves further back Oddworld will also have this imprint on its surface. It could be the Oddworld Inhabitants symbol imprinted on the surface like the other imprints on the moons. Who knows. I only know that we are going to see something cool! :)

Steve 12-15-2001 09:38 PM

well I'm pretty sure that the higher the rotation the less of a sphere it is planets bulge at the equator so you couldn't use the formula of a sphere by the way paramite abe the sun is a couple of thousand times the size of earth if I'm not mistaken.

oddguy 999 12-15-2001 10:28 PM

I also deffenitly heard from offical info about Oddworld being 10 times larger then Earth... But as it has already been said it depends if its surface area, volume or diameter that was the refrence to size. However through deduction I think it would have been area that they where talking about as thats the surface of a planet, and what the biosphere exists on which is where life lives, and they where talking about life on Oddworld in that artical. This means that the diameter of Oddworld would be a bit over twice that of Earth. And if its core was less dense then Earths or hotter (as to make it expand and make it less dence) it would have a lower gravity in porportion to its size. So it would probly have 1 to 2 Gs of surface gravity (thats not much).
Personaly I would like to find out that Oddworld is not part of any planetry system at all but rather was born from a nebula. And instead of having a sun it is eluminated by 1 or more very volcanicanly active moon/s (a bit like Io of Jupiter). ;)

Danny 12-15-2001 11:36 PM

Oddsville: No, the opposite happens, as Centrifugal Force cancels out some of the Gravity.

Oddguy: Well, that would certainly be... Odd...

Wise Abe 12-16-2001 12:40 AM

Man, you guys are way too smart for me. I hated biology, chemistry, and physics is the absolute worste right now :(. However, I do love the subject and ideas of astronomy, and I'll probably take a course in it in the near future.

BTW, the gravity must be more than earth because when Abe jumps in MO he seems to come down really quick, :rolleyes:

oddguy 999 12-16-2001 04:20 AM

Its suprising how quick gravity is... 9.8 m/s... you biuld up quite some speed with that aceleration. :)
Also Abe could be realy short or tall (in comparison to humans) in which case the speed he falls would seem a bit strange.
:confused:

Danny 12-16-2001 09:20 AM

When only pulled by Gravity, the speed at which people fall generally levels out at 120mph. I'm not quite sure why that's relevant, but I'm sure it is...

Sl'askia 12-16-2001 01:42 PM

*tries to think of something to add to this topic* *brain sputters and fails* eep....*falls over* (You guys and gals are getting too scientific for me! eeeee)

paramiteabe 12-17-2001 12:03 PM

Oddworld is a type of Science Fiction. I guess some of us are genuises. Everytime I learn about Biology or the solarsystem I alweys think of Oddworld! YOU, ARE A GENUIS!

Abe's son 12-17-2001 08:00 PM

uh........wa?*brian esplods*AAAHH!*falls on ground* help*twich*me*twich*suck*twich*at*twich*MATH!!!*dies*

Molluck2000 12-18-2001 12:51 AM

evolution helps the creatures adapt to there surroundings they would be accustom to the high gravity and atmosphereic conditions! imagine aliens from a planet 10 times smaller than ours saying "how can those humans stand that strenghth of gravity?" now we can astand our gravity becouse we have adapted to it its the same for the oddworld creatures... think about it any way it is fictional and no one can say how big oddworld is but lorn lanning himself! :p

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paramiteabe 12-18-2001 10:14 AM

WOW THATS A LOT OF THINKS! :eek:

Danny 12-19-2001 01:36 PM

1) I know I normally object to Spam Witchunts, but THAT WAS BLATANT SPAM! Don't do it again...

2) Lorne HAS said how big Oddworld was - he said it was 10 times as big as earth.

3) In order to adapt to high gravity, animals would have to evolve to become more squat and muscular [to put it simply]. Oddworld creatures haven't. Also, if there was a higher gravity, things would fall faster. If anything, they fall considerabnly slower.

Sorry to be a grouch, but you ought to think about what you type before you type it, so you can check that you have a clue what you're on about...