banning for spamming
Alright people. We all know that spamming can be a little obnoxious at times but the fact is that this is a forum where all of the members are very respectfull of not taking up too much time or space with nonsense. Everyone of us here has posted something that could be considered spam at one time or another. We are a close knit community of people who know each other fairly well and every once in a while without thinking about we will respond to a post just as we would a conversation. We may make a joke or say something off topic. The real issue here is that some people (alcar) have decided that they are more important in this community then others. Grig the slig who is one of the finest members that these forums have ever seen has been banned after one warning. This shows more what kind of person Alcar is then it does serve as punishment. Don't take yourself so seriously bro. Nothing is that serious. You are proving yourself to be hatefull, vindictive and big headed. I personally think that you enjoyed banning Grig. I am going to continue posting on this until you let him back in. I dare you to ban me. Not only would that be a sissy act but it would prove that I am right about your spitefull nature. Prove me wrong. Be the bigger man and let him back in.
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*claps for old and not so tasty* I personally don't know Alcar, so I can't make a judgement on him, but I think banning someone after one warning is just silly.
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Please respond to this people. Put down feelings about me and alcar and look at this objectively. One of the moderators is a glukkon. This is a small form of tyranny that should not be tolerated by us. Please respond whether you agree with me or not.
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i was discusing this "abuse of his modship powers" thing with alcar earlier today on oddchat and said just what you said old and not so tasty, and he just said "thats my job" which i find terrible!
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This is one of the few times I've agreed with OANST
I used to know Alcar better and he seemed like a very decent fellow. I don't know why he banned Grig so I can't say he was wrong. But I also know that Grig, from what I could tell, was a very good member who never intentionally broke the rules. I can't think of any reasons that would justify Grig's bannishment. In any case, Grig should be let back.
BTW, you have been a bit big headed Alcar, I'm just letting you know for your own good. I've been recently accused of the same thing so I know that it sucks when people feel that way about you. |
hes like the guy who works at mcdonalds who yells at you when you are a minute late from break. Cool it guy you work at mcdonalds. Just don't take things so seriously. If you aren't capable of having fun then let others do it for christ sake.
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well khanz, i have not yet seen you act as bad as alcar, he makes sure that everyone knows how evil he is, atleast your polite about it!
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There is nothing wrong with being a little arrogant. Especially if you are an intelligent person. This goes beyond arrogance however. This is the kind of moderator Hitler would have been.
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I just get really annoyed at people who abuse their power, and Alcar banning Grig for two bloody weeks over spam is rediculous! And I only saw one warning from Xav! Something has to be done. I think Alcar had fun banning, and that just isn't right. Mods shouldn't get a kick outta banning anyone. Banning is supposed to be used as a last resort for continued trouble. Grig's spam was harmless and I wouldn't qualify him as a trouble maker. Bring him back! I haven't even seen Grig use one explitive for crying out loud! :eek: He's not a bad guy at all!
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I think Alcar is lying about being a man. I think Alcar is a 12 year old girl who listens to Brittney Spears. I don't know any men who act like this. You have no honor.
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actually iv seen alcar, his name is peter, but i dont think hes as old as he says.
PS: grig has come back |
No he hasn't. When you are banned you can enter the forums but can't post.
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aw that sucks!
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Grig is just observing the thread about him. Anyway, I might get in trouble for this, but Grig is on MSN msg and this is what he has to say!
GRIG: Hello everyone! Keep up the good work! I want to get back to the forums soon! I've been banned for 8 days so far, so I think I only have 6 days left, unless i've been permanentally banned. :( See ya! |
tell him we all miss him, and that alcar should be spune upon boiling hot shards of broken glass coated in acid (jk) i hope you come back soon :D
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Even I think this is a bit harsh.
Oh well. Let him do what he wants. Then we can all point and call him a hypocrite considering he was complaining about syd being too over-bearing when it came to the rules. |
Thats what a lot of people say about bush and said about hitler. Do you think I'm being overdramatic?Maybe its just me but I dislike tyranny in any form. I want to hold a new mod election tomorrow. Or as soon as possible. We seriously need to rethink our leadership. By the way I would have started this thread a lot sooner if I had known about this. I was wondering why I hadn't gotten pmd in a while.
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*checks* Actually, Alcar supposedly also sent him a warning via pm. *ticks off fingers* 1, 2... The warning/ban system is suppose to use 3 counts, or something. *looks at amount of fingers held up*
I don't know, maybe I'll get some sort of formula in Algebra II this year to teach me how to solve this. |
Jesus Christ people, he is in a state of " Temporary Banning" he has not been banned indefinately. Like our rules say, we only ban people forever if the offence is really bad.
Grid was due for unbanning tomorrow, but I think I'll keep him banned indefinately, now, due to you all. Just kidding. He will be unbanned as planned tomorrow. You're all acting so immature, it wasn't after one warning either. I'd warned him through PM, and then Xavier had to warn him. Then he spammed again, three strikes and you are banned accordingly. My actions are just. Alcar... |
I don't believe they are. I think you take your job way too seriously and should not have it. A lot of people agree with me. We will see what happens come election time. You calling us immature is extremely rich also. unban him now and I won't mention it again.
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yes i agree with the father here! go home to a real life chasing wallabees or whatever! stop bossing us around and throwing your weight around like your the boss, abe babe has more power than you as i said before, yet you act like equels!
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We will have an election and you will not return. Maybe we could drop this whole thing (the election and all) if you could be man enough to step up and apologize for treating the forumers the way you have. I don't think you have the cojones however so I think you will be leaving.
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WHO CARES!?
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.
This is the internet!!! Who cares? I mean really! If you take this so seriously, you must be miserable in real life. Job? Who gets paid to moderate? Power? Are you going to invade any neighboring forums? THis is so ridiculous! I really like Oddworld, but damn, this place is like a friggin' soap opera......stupid melodrama. Now I remember why I originally left. |
My dear friend GrigtheSlig has this to say.
GRIG: Alcar...where is the 3rd spam??? And I got your rude e-mail, but I thought that you were talking about the Warning that Xav gave me...I still don't think I deserved this banning and I think you should retire as Super Mod or try being nice. Oddguy: Ummmmm.......okay, this may be very soap opera-ish, but it sure is fun to participate in! :D |
I agree 100% with what Mr. Boj said above.
Guys, just calm down. Alcar said that he'd be un-banning (?) Grig tomorrow. No permanent ban, no dictatorship, nothing. Just to make sure Grig won't spam anymore. Okay? Okay. I'm gonna go buy a churro. |
I feel better now. This was just the most exciting thing on the forums for the moment. I personally haven't been dictated, but I haven't been here long and others seem to feel dictated, so it must be a real issue. This isn't just one person, I've talked to a bunch of members that feel this way.
Mac, I see you edited your post so fast that it didn't register you changed anything. Don't you just love broadband! Darnnit! I didn't move fast enough! I have done that before though. :D |
I've been here a little over a year now, and although there are many members that have been here much longer, this is actually the first time anyone's really brought up this whole dictator Alcar thing. At least, as far as I can remember.
I think people are just judging him on only this little fiasco, and completely ignoring everything else. Although, if you can prove me wrong and name some other "horrible" things Alcar has done, I may retract my statement. But as far as I know, he's been nothing but good and attentive to the forums. EDIT: Oddguy, all I did to my post when I edited it was add "I agree 100% with what Mr. Boj said above", because I read his post after I had posted my...post. But that's weird that it didn't put that "Last edited..." thing on the bottom... |
true annoyance........
im gonna go shoot at a garbage can with a paintball gun now, you can all go to hell, Mac is right, ive wasted too much of life arguing over a forum bitch, id rather go eat churros (bleh) and in one note (just too stretch your small minds) it takes an idiot to do cool things, thats why its cool |
Mac: Sometimes my broadband moves so fast, that when I edit a post it doesn't register. I love it! Anyway, Grig will be back tomorrow, so I'm happy.
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I don't have broadband. In fact, I have a dial-up connection.
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Grig has also been talking to me on MSN. I just reciently got msn just today. But he also e-mailed me about his situation. I am not going to point any fingers nor will I call anyone a hypocryt because I am just not like that. In my own opinion yes I think it was wrong to ban Grig because one he was a pretty diecient member and two I never seen anything he did wrong. If he spamed then he spamed we all spamed once or even twice on here and I know we all spamed more than our fair share of spam even Mods. Nobody here is the best and nobody here is perfect. If you ask me I think we view jokeing around and carrying on a silly conversation is considered spam. Do we have to be serious all the time? My brain gets drained trying to come up with the next meaningful topic or serious topic. Sometimes a little sillyness can be a sort of releaf thing. Grig is fairly new on here at least a few months. So in my opinion yes I agree that was rather harsh don't you think? And I am also glad to here he is comming back. Oh I almost forgot sombody needs to move this in off topic.
Paramiteabe...:fuzblink: |
Grid was a good member. I came to the forums after the two warnings had been originally been handed out to Grig, to find both General Discussion and Off Topic full of last replies by Grid. Some weren't classified as spam, but the rest was.
You've all over reacted to Grid's pleas of innocence, and like the children you are, have acted on impulse. I asked you, sligslinger how I could better myself and the forums yesterday. You replied with things along the lines of 'stop being so bad' and 'you are a dictator'. The reason I asked you for suggestions was because I knew you hadn't any idea, you critised me, yet you had no suggestions of how I could rectify it. As far as I'm concerned, I have changed my attitudes many times here, because people have accused me of being "power hungry". Yet each one still seems to be percieved as "power hungry". I don't need any more power, I have enough, and I abide by the rules. I'm not going to change my attitude anymore. As I've realised what the problem is. Do you think your Teachers, Principal or Parents are mean, and sometimes power hungry? Of course. It's because they care, and in the end their actions are justified, for your benefit. Grid will be unbanned tomorrow, as planned. I really appreciate the effort you guys have taken to get rid of me. Though, it's also nice that some people have noticed my continual efforts, thanks :) Alcar... |
Yah i reckon grig was a good member.... but he was also spamming.... and very severly too!!! Anyways the point is, Alcar had a reason to ban Grig, but he just didnt tell you guys, the end justifies the mean.... also ' You want the truth??? you cant handle the truth!!!' Anyways the point is, Alcar does thing for the benefits of the forum, why would he just ban Grig for no reason at all???? and why could he be power hungry eh? he already is a supermod.
Ok in the end, Grig was a good member, but he spammed, Xav sent him a warning, Alcar and Xav warned him over pm about not to spam, but he stilled spam. So thats why he got banned, why dont you guys get the facts straight before you start some stupid arguement thread. You could've posted in the beginning something like Important, as you know, Grig has been banned, would it be possible to tell us the reason behind banning Grig? and could he be unbanned soon since he is such a good member :) Btw Alcar has been VERY NICE about this, if you actually read the rules.... you cannot start a thread about banned members. I started a thread about a banned member once... but then it got deleted by Alcar, i didn't whinge about it coz his just doing his Job. Maybe all of you should stop whinging and insulting the current stuff and do some constructive thinking, like congratulating the mods with their good work or suggesting good ideas. Dont be a Fag and come in and start arguements... In the end, Grig is getting unbanned, and we all hope that he learns his lesson of not spamming..... |
Grig annoyed me, but I beared with him, and my patience finally quavered when he flooded GD. Only then did I see Xav's warning, and I never saw a post from him since. Maybe he flooded the Forums earlier when I wasn't here, too, but I didn't see any of it. In fact I thought he was just laying low for a while. I don't support the banning of members, though, unless 3 very clear and distinct warnings have been issued (EDIT: I though I put something abut unless it's very clear they're total losers who just go around making arses out of themselves by insulting everyone, because I know we've had some of those here before), and I'm pretty sure in the rules it says the first ban will be for only four days. As for not talking about banned members, I'm pretty sure that was only added after last years little outburst, and I know for certain who, it was decided, was to blame for that (EDIT: Pete tells me it was there beforehand). And yet I came back. If we don't have these sorts of...threads, then the actions of the Powers that Be are just going to remain distant and confusing. That's what it felt like for me last year. This year I'm in a position where I actually know what the hell has been going on.
I 50% agree with MrBoj, a lot of you are over reacting, but just because this is the Internet, it doesn't mean the concept of fairness can be thrown away. Grig shouldn't have been banned, that's my final opinion on that matter. Trust me to take some obscure middle-path stance. I also think you're all over reacting. Calm it down. I don't think any election you have is going to do anything more than express the views of whatever small proportion of the Forumers cast their votes in it. Anyway, about a hundred people have probably posted while I've been typing this... (EDIT: nope) |
We are not saying you are power hungry or the evil Mods. That was an analogy dude. What we are saying is you banned a member because you were annoyed with him. Thats what we are saying. Ok you are annoyed with him because he spammed on several occasions. If you are annoyed by this person then put him on your ignor list. Thats why its there. Why go to banning someone temporarely like that? I have never seen that kind of power practiced on the forums before. Thats whats fishy about all of this, and that is why we were fighting back here not only for Grig's sake but for other people aswell. I view if you need to ban someone then that someone has to do something really really bad like setting a virus to your computer or something.
Now I can understand if the person wrote only one word threads all the time but on occasions thats just fishy because we all ride in that same boat of spamming on occasions. But its good he is comming back he is not a bad member. |
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Anyway, here's how I feel about this thread. I don't think this is just about Grig being banned. This is a real issue that I've talked to several people about, and they think that certain mods are going power hungry. Alcar seems to be the popular one to point fingers at, but may I just say that Alcar hasn't been evil to me in any way. I haven't been here long and I'm not concerned about the mods, but other people are. I wouldn't suggest removing anyone from modship though. I actually think Alcar took everyone's critisism very well. He didn't blow-up and kill anyone like a real dictator. :fuzwink: Grig is a good member and didn't mean any harm. Grig and all of us though he got banned after 1st warning, but Alcar says different. Everyone has a different perspective and version of events.......in the middle lies the truth. But in the end, Grig still got banned......which begs the question, "Who is right in this situation?" Well, by rules, it would have to be the mod. We all signed up to be watched over by a mod when we joined the forums. But what happens when people think the mod is unjust? |
I have to agree that everyone is really overreacting. Alcar is not Hitler and what's done is done. Grig (not Grid) will be back soon and Alcar now knows what will happen if this situation arises again.
Alcar, this is sort of the forum members giving you their first warning. I'm not taking sides here, if Grig deserved to be banned temporarily according to the rules that is fine. But you are the mod/admin and part of your job is to look past the rules and do what is best for the community. Which apparently in this case was to take it easy on Grig. Don't worry I'm not going to try to overthrow you or anything and I wouldn't support any move to do so unless there was a good reason, which there currently isn't. |
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Grig (sorry for spelling it wrong... I honestly though it was Grid...) is not as annoying as some members here. You don't see me banning those even more annoying people, now do you? When I banned Grid I was in a clear state of mind, and I knew exactly what I was doing.
I'm not going to apoligise, I was following rules. I've been nothing but kind and reasonable in this thread, and all I've recieved is childish remarks. TheKhanzumer, I understand that we want the members to be happy, but I'm not going to look past the rules because people complain it was unfair, when it clearly wasn't. How about a proposal? Would everyone like to see me turn into Hitler Alcar? Because, I'd love to ban all of you that step out of line just once :p I have taken all of this into account, though it's worth jack all to me. I know when I do things that are wrong, and this wasn't one of them. Grig is now unbanned. I'd also like to make it clear, that if another thread is created on any type of banning, it will be immediately deleted and the poster given a warning. As this, is in accordance to the rules. Alcar... |
Hey guys, i'm back! Thanx for letting me back in! I'll be better and try not to spam ever again! It's my pre new-years resolution!
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