I need opinions
Does any one else feel Munch has lost the oddworld soul? The graphics of the first two games were mesmerizing now I can't help but think this has become just another mass produced corporate disposable game. The puzzles are lame. The game is glitchy. The hummor is Beavis and Butthead. :(
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OMY GOD!!! IS IT REALLY YOU! PAUL FLUCKING O'CONNER! YOU ARE LIKE THE BEST!
I totaly agree, i was really worriede that oddworld will lose its mysticalness and itsa no longer a world of wonder and a puzzle game? I haven't played the game but by the looks of it the game looks like crash bandicoot meets metal gear solid? no lurkiness or wonder :( |
I probably don't have much of a right to talk right now since I won't be playing it fully until X-mas but i've played a level at a demo station...
...it was an early level with Munch inside Vykker Labs and the whole environment there seemed pretty lurky to me. I don't know I think overall it looks great but I still have a couple thoughts on why many don't think it's "Oddworldish" -we all know that many things happened to the final product because of the transition from PS2 to X-Box so maybe that has something to do with it. -this is Munch's Oddysee and not Abe's so maybe we should accept new styles as the games progress -Time. Maybe the console switch set them back a little and because they had to be ready by launch date they were a little rushed to get it done and therefor were unable to make the game as minutely detailed as they would like it. -Besides remember Abe's Exodduss was overall a "richer" game than Oddysee in gameplay and graphics and since Munch's Exodduss will be programmed for the X-Box from the start we're going to be really blown away next time  Peace[ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: Eibu ] |
the crew at oddworld inhabitants was too anxious and happy since their arrival to the xbox they were too busy on thinking on what they were making! Since they had to quickly make the game under short notice they never actually stopped to ask them "is this oddworld."
Hopefully the dark humour that has been with oddworld for 2 games still lies in oddworld and has not become tacky and desperate. So far i am not impressed about what has been hapening so far with OWI, and that IS including their love life with sobe. I think that money was on their brains and hoped that us fans will be too into the game to notice it. I could be wrong in everything that i say but this is what i think. Oddworld is very creative and intellegent but i think the whole XBOX crud went to their heads. I'm only getting the game because i love oddworld that much and hopefully in march i'll be beging for your forgivness :D |
I have the game, and before I lauch I too kind of felt that it would lose it's "Oddworldness" in 3D from the screen shots. But I don't think it really has. There are clouds that cast shadows that drift across the landscape, and Vykkers labs looks like an evil scientist's lab if he's making zany commercial products. I agree with connor that the humor is worse than the other games, and some of the puzzles are a little tedious, but, just out of curiosity, what did you find glitchy? I played through the game and didn't notice any big glitches (Except for abe being able to stand sideways). So I don't think Munch has lost the Oddworld soul, it's just changed. And remember this is the first (fully) 3D game OI has made, and it can only improve.
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P.S. Oddbodd, I think it's a work of comic genious that you've taken down your site because of Sobe, yet you still have a link to "Vote for me at Oddworld Topsites" [ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: Eibu ] |
I have noticed a glitch that is really annoying. Sometimes when you exit the level for some reason the X-Box can't read the disk and you are forced to take out the disk and put it back in. Hense...you have to start over from your last save/quick save grrr. I don't know if its a problem with the disk or the X-Box itself (I only have MO).
Anyway...The puzzles are a bit on the easy side for me...I just finished the Sprooce Forest level late last night. Spider: well if yer stop lookin' at the guide book it would be harder... Quiet you! |
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EEP! I meant I just finished the Shrub Pen's level!
Oy...I just got to the first slog hut...I hope those glitched don't effect me... |
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I haven't played the game yet, I will give you the truth on it, kay? :D. But this is confusing, did you have any say on making the game at all? |
Wait a minute...Your not P' O Conner! *faints*
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I personally think munch isnt totally perfect because of the switch from PS2 to XBOX, some of the basic code was changed just so Munch would work on xbox, no really really extensive time was put into making munch PERFECT.
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I haven't played it--I want to play it
but I'm not paying full price for something that some people consider so so and something that has glitches in it.. I work damn hard for every penny I earn.. I adored the first two games.. But the humour has gone down hill.... Even in AE I could see the Oddworld train was going off track... I could be wrong.. When I run into the money to buy me and XBOX.. I'll see for myself. Someone who has the game--tell us more about your impressions of it, please... in comparison to the Abe we used to know... |
I do not have MO, so my only comment is to mention that I was a little disappointed at the tacky humour of AE. I found the more serious 'epicness' of AO to be infinitely better. I can only hope that MO returns to the spirit of AO, rather than AE...
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But who's to say what "Oddworld" is other than OWI??
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I agree that the problems of Oddworld are no laughing mater- After all they are a refection of the problems of Earth.
AO was better because the only hummor that was in it was when funny things where forced apon Abe, like hitting his head when he was in the meat barrel, or when we see things from our world on oddworld like the Slig lighting Molluk's cigar... ... I also really injoyed thoughs high pitched harmonics that made your inner ear reasernate just right so that your heart fluttered and you felt true sympathy for Abe's sittuation. |
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Sobe promotes Oddworld and helped out with that X-Box American Tour...
...in turn OWI supports Sobe and puts Sobe Energy Vendos in the game. Deal. of course it takes money to do these things but it's not like Sobe said "Look Lorne, here's some dough, now put our fscking vending machines in your game! MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA$$$$$ [ November 26, 2001: Message edited by: Eibu ] |
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Ya remember that we are now in the worlderness of Mudoes and not in the huge factories and stuff!Things change guys and girls and If you cant (no offence but) GET THE FLUK OUT'A HERE!!!!! :p
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Ho my odd I ust saw those screes from Oddworldians and the game has not lost any mystery or anything like tha lookin at those pics I rate you guys havent even started from the looks of things!! :eek:
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in response to your thoughts rettick; MO does not return to the epic type humor found in AO, instead it strays much further from it than AE did. it is a bit disarming at first that OWI decided to use SO MUCH sophomoric humor in MO, but then you get used to it (or at least i did). its the ultra repetitive gameplay that's got me down. most of the puzzles stay true to one format. run as far as you can in the stage so as to get a look at what you have to do. kill as many of X as you can, collect Y, move objects R-W to point F, and progress to next level(used variables to not risk having this post called a spoiler post). imagine a few variations on this formula and you have the game in a nutshell. sure there are a few levels that are completely different, but they are few and far between and usually feel like they were just thrown together as filler. i really really wanted to love the hell out of this game, but the only reason i'm still playing it is in hopes that the latter levels will be hard to complete, because so far the game is VERY EASY. my 11 year old brother even thinks its easy. after playing the game i tend to agree with all of the reviews that call it a "so-so" game. my hopes are right now lying with ME, as Lorne has emphasized that the team was rushing to make MO a launch title. hopefully with ME, they will spend more production time with the gameplay, and less with graphics. yes the game is stunningly beautiful, but it's certainly not a game that hooks you in and doesn't let go.
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Sounds like most people that have actually PLAYED the game think it's fine, or more than fine! It's fun to speculate about games you havent played yet, but I wish people wouldnt judge the game too harshly until they have actually played the full version. I just hope that nobody is influenced against the game by all this negative speculation. I played it almost all the way through, and I think its really neat, just as cool as the originals, and in 3D to boot!
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hey cheddar, i'm not speculating here. i own the game and have, in fact, actually PLAYED it.
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Adam, I don't mean to be stupid [or, for that matter, off-topic], but what does "sophomoric" mean?
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As I don't have the game, I can't really say. It seems ok from what I have heard and seen... *Shrugs*
Dan, Sophomoric means "Over-confident in yourself, opinionated, or immature." My teachers like to remind us what it means as the term for 10th graders in America is "Sophomore". *Groans* Stupid sophomore-name.... [ November 26, 2001: Message edited by: Black Dragon ] |
Seriously--what must Lorne be trying to accomplish with this 'potty humour' trash he incorporates in an otherwise mystical, metaphorical, and rather ingeniusly designed world?
And why wouldn't he make use of Abe's wall climbing abilities that we saw in that ONE AE video, rather then have Abe or Munch ride or run on walls? Now that is just... frig! Such a piss off.. Is MO the Jar Jar Binks of Oddworld? Trying to suck in the younger generation? :( :mad: |
I haven't got the game since I live in Austraila, but from what I have seen and heard it dose seem directed towards the younger gamers.
Prehapse the gap between Abe's games and Munch's have been to great for Oddworld to maintain a lot of its original fans so they need to start from scratch again by building up from these younger gamers. As they grow in maturity (spelling?) the games that OWI makes should also grow... ... Unfortunatly this may mean that some of us original fans may be a few steps ahead of the hummor and mental chalenge of the puzzles. I hope I'm wrong though... :confused: |
Conzuma-san and sodd-san made good points.
I think their is a threefold combination of reason's for Munch's Oddysee coming out how it did: -It being a launch title for a brand new next-gen console so close to the gift-giving season of course many kids in America will be getting them as presents (including this big kid right here) and maybe a latent reason for it's comparative easiness to past games is because the fear of turning off players who might have difficulty with slightly harder games. -The rush to be a launch title is an obvious yet good reason. -The console switch and all the problems that entails added to it as well. ------------------ As far as "potty-humor", I would like to know what specifically everybody is talking about. Personally I enjoyed the scenerios of Abe's Exodduss and thought they had the same devious-cleverness of Abe's Oddysee. In fact overall I enjoyed AE a bit more because of the gameplay improvements AND the story elements. I've only played through the game once successfully (it's hard for me) but i've watched the movie's dozens of times. The FMV's are my FAVORITE part of Oddworld and the game is the bonus. Hopefully when/if a movie is released it will be true to it's roots (unlike the other big franchise CG movie Sci-fi story semi-crap...and I love that series too!) Well I think i've gone off topic and have been longwinded enough in this topic for one night (week ).Peace |
Please don't anyone get me wrong I love oddworld and to be honest I actually owned AO for about five months before I got the courage to play it through. I't seemed to be very difficult and that may have something to do with the changes to MO but once I got started I could not stop I played it through and saved every one then I played it through and killed every one as soon as I was through I ran out and purchased AE and did the same I was addicted and after I finished AE I suffered serious withdrawls waiting for MO I stood in line for eight hours to purchase my X-Box and MO I expected to see AO and AE with new and exciting adventures but I got Mario Bros. you know collect x widgets etc. as posted previously. I have to pay to posess? most of the puzzles are run as fast as you can through a maze kill all the creatures in your way etc. In other Odd games if it said something on the wall such as "give your dog a bone" it meant something. By the way anybody notice that Abe lost a finger between AO and AE? I think that Microsoft should realize that probably 75% of thier sales can be initially atributed to the first two games in this series appologize for this attempt to get a younger audience for Abe and announce plans to do it the way it should have been done in the first place. And officially I could care less about the Sobe thing. 'cause in real life vending machines don't give product for free. :)
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Hello P O'Conner... there seems to be a bit of confusion with the name that you have chosen here. I know you said that you are not the Paul O'Connor from Oddworld Inhabitants... but I'm sure there are people here that would overlook the fact that you have said this already.
I just want to try an clarify for everyone that P O'Conner here is not from Oddworld Inhabitants and I have no reason why he chose this name (perhaps a clarifiction of why may be in order). On another note ... I just want to pass onto everyone that Paul O'Connor himself asked me to pass on his best wishes to all here at Oddworld Forums. Abe Babe... |
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Back in the day in Japan the butchers would sometimes cut off a finger and I'm not completely sure but it also may be considered a sign of low-class...anyhoo, whatever the reason in Japan it is taboo to depict characters with four fingers. Five are good, three are fine, but four is bad. Thus when Oddworld was released in Japan on the PC, OWI had to slice one of Abe's fingers to conform. BTW Abe's Oddysee in Japan is called Abe-A-GoGo. The romanji of the katakana would be EIBu A GoU GoU and because of my connection to Japanese that is why I chose Eibu and my sig simply translates "Four Fingers are Bad". Also Abe's Exoddus is called Abe '99 in Japan. [ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: Eibu ] |
Thanx, I guess I will clairify this thing with my name I didn't choose P O'conner my parents did. Pete O'conner is my name and I thought it was kinda' cool than I could have a sign-on that was pretty close to Paul O'connor. So there. ;) :cool:
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sweeet, how mad is that to have your name close to a legend!
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I think I know what Sodd meant by "Potty Humour", although that isn't the term I would use for it ["Bad Humour" suits it more]. I think he's referring to the tacky jokes that permeated AE. Examples:
The end of the poem in the intro FMV - "Mudokon Nation be doomed to croak" - After the fantastic rhyming in the AO FMVs, I expected better than this cheap attempt at humour When the weirdos came to Abe the second time - Abe: "Guys, Weirdos, Whoever you are!" - Ugh... Just ugh... Hmm... I can't remember any more offhand, but I may as well throw in "Abe's New Voice" - Not exactly meant to be funny, but an example of the new, sanitised, 'user-friendly' Oddworld. Eek, I sound very OW-phobic... Sorry about that, it's just that once I start a rant, I find it difficult to stop... |
Asou, domo Rettick-san...
Hmm, well none of those things bothered me...it seems many take Abe's Oddysee as the definitive for what being "Oddworldish" is and I don't do that. Maybe I don't take it "as serious" but even though the games represent real problems I've always taken them with lightheartedness and have enjoyed every incarnation. Like i've said before who's to say what "Oddworld" is other than it's creators. Damnit, I start ranting too...just repeating myself but anyway thanks for clarifying for me. Peace |
I think this one has died. My own personal feelings are, see if I can get some money out of this XBOX on Ebay before the holiday so I can get a game cube, because if I am going to spend my money on "Mario" type games I might as well buy Mario. I just don't see any innovative games (like AO & AE) on Xbox. At least I didn't waste my money on a sony because I see zero creativity on Playstation. 3D existed before on the Nintendo and it was really no great thing ( compared to AO & AE) but we already played Spyro. There is no escape from what the mainstream opininion wants. So how about another round of 007 shoot 'em up kill 'em all and lets just get this damn individuality out of your head. Bring on the sword and box and fightn games and let's just lay Abe to rest.
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No I will not give up on oddworld They may have made a mess up, but tell me you guys have never made a mistake. Just have faith oddworld followers The time will come when oddworld will rule once again.
Bwahahahaha oddworld will rule bwahahahaha :cool:  |