Abortion
 

I was watching on the news these two pro-life and pro-choice gentlemen were arguing about abortion. So, I'd like to know what you people think?

There are two types of abortion. One of them is late-term and the other is when the baby is nothing more than a ball of tissue. Still, some people say it's not right. Tell me what you think.

I'm pro-choice.

we have been doing about it in RE at school!
i'm with abortion, i think it should be allowed if the people have a good enough reason, i cant be botherd to give a proper reason, but im pro choice!

I'm pro-choice, but the choice should be made in time.

Don't want to ramble anything more. We've had this one already...

I'm one of those pro-life people. I think the baby should have a chance.

So if somebody were to use a condom, would that not be denying the 'baby' the chance? And would not having sex also be denying the 'baby' a chance?

If there's a heartbeat, the baby should not be aborted.

No because the sperm is not the same as a fertile egg. The sperm by itself cannot develope into a child.

Haven't you had the birds and the bees talk yet?

1. The fertilised ovum can't develop into a baby without the mother. The mother has the right to have a child or not.

Edit: And if the mother doesn't want the child, she could either have a legal abortion - safe. Or she could try having an illegal one - not as safe.
Edit 2: Here's a good one:
A fertilised ovum will develop into a baby if it is allowed to and a sperm and ovum will develop into a baby if they are allowed to.
If a fertilised ovum is aborted it will not develop into a baby. If a sperm and ovum are kept apart by not having sex then it will not develop into a baby. Same thing, no?


2. Yeah. The birds are horny so they go and shag the bees. Right?

Pro-Choice.

Any person who says that the child is a human as soon as it begins development may be correct. But what about actually thinking about the reasons of somebody getting a abortion? How about the woman? These guys who say "Blah-Blah-Blah Pro-Life Blaaah" well what about the women? They have to go through the aggrovation. If they want an abortion then they should get one without people challenging them. A baby can literally destroy your life so think before you say they should keep a child. Its just like animal rights activists...They dont think about what they believe in and in the end they come off as being complete tossers. In the UK a group of them unleased a load of Minks from the Mink farm without thinking it through. The Mink ran riot and killed family pets and even attacked babies...I, for one, am against the killing of animals for fur and/or experiments but what ARA do is stupid, careless and irrational. Twats.

Just because I think abortion is wrong dosn't mean I think people shouldn't have a choice. Everyone should have a choice. I just think abortion is the wrong one.

Pro choice, all the way.

I especially hate it when males look down on abortion.

Khanz, I certainly hope you don't masturbate.

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Everything I have to say I have already said in these topics. Unless people have anything new to add to what has been said in those topics, don't say anything.

I think if a couple was being careless and wasn't using a condom and doesn't want a baby, they should have it anyway and give it up for adoption.

But in the case of rape, I think they should have an abortion if they want it.

In short, I'm pro-choice, in a way (I suppose... :fuzemb: ).

I'm not a woman, so I don't think I have the right to say. But I suppose pro-choice because of overpopulation and the fact that most people aborted probably were not going to make a difference anyway. Their parents are ill-equipped to deal with a child. I'm glad I wasn't aborted, though.

A baby is a living thing! Would you want to be killed before they got to know you????

I assume you have never killed an organism in your life then...?

90% pro-choice.

If the baby (for want of a better, more correct word) feels no pain and the parents have a valid reason to abort I think it is acceptable.
Late term is unacceptable in my view. But if the parents cannot cope and the child would end up with a miserable life I feel that it is more humane to abort. Legally, of corce.

EDIT: Oh, and in case you are at all intrested in the text above, I am a female.

just think of it as the termination of a fetus, its seems less well, bad if you call it that, its better than saying the death of a baby in the womans womb!

If You dont want your baby, you shouldnt have made it. Nuff said :fuzwink:

Good point. Anyway, it isn't the death of a baby in a women's womb, it's the death of a un yet developed baby.

I would love to see your face if you get your girlfriend accidently pregnant. I will be there, laughing, as your views rapidly changed.

Generally, I'm against abortion, especially those performed after the first couple of months.

I think there should be some sense of responsibility on the part of the woman who is pregnant, she shouldn't place herself in situations where she might become pregnant if she doesn't want to give birth. But every situation has different circumstances.

Nah, I'm against abortion. That's the women's choice to have sex. What does she expect? I actually know a women who kept her baby when she got raped. You should'nt take it out on the baby. I think it's wrong and selfish. I mean, those are not real women. They are punks. But it's selfish because they are only thinking about themselves getting banged up and when they get knocked up, they don't want to take responsibility.

Good point. I really cannot think of an argument for that.:fuzemb:
But I'm still pro-choice.

Nope. Sometimes condoms break, then what are you going to do? Not having sex is not denying the baby a chance because it's not being born.

1. Take the morning after pill.

2. So if not having sex doesn't deny the baby a chance because it's not being born then shouldn't having an abortion also not be denying the baby a chance because it's not being born?

1. Sure

2. Still no. The baby is being developed. When you are not having sex, the baby is not born yet so it's not going to hurt because you don't have a human being growing inside of you.

Pinky STOP SAYING BORN. You mean concieved. Convieved and born are two different things.

Khanz, I'm not talking just concieved; I'm talking about a baby not in the womb of the mother yet also

Pinky you are IMMENSLY backwards in such subjects as Homosexuality and Pregnancy. I really am disgraced, disgusted and seething with anger as soon as you post your biblical, preaching shite. If a baby is a accident then that basically means;

(1) - Its not planned for...
(2) - The mother/father/mother & father are not ready for such a commitment...
(3) - The emotional aspect of the parents is not fully developed.

If you have that child not only are you wreaking your own life, but also the babies life aswell. If its not planned for the chance of the parents putting it up for adoption are quite high. If they dont put it up for adoption then the chances of the parents arguing are likely to become more frequent. The parents are likely to break down into tears, and, even at a early age the child will absorb all of this. Later on in life it may become disturbed, mentally crippled and/or a bastard to other children. The financial requirements for keeping a child may not be met. So the child will be brought up in a very poor home not having much and only just scraping by. I would rather have a child aborted if i knew i could not give it a decent life.

(1) - I agree.

(2) - Like what? Our generation define having sex differently to others. You can get pregnant from Oral, Mutual Masturbation and such like. You dont even have to have full on sex anymore to become pregnant, and its getting increasingly difficult to know what "Sex" is.

(3) - Indeed.

I think you are immensly backwards. You would not know anything about pregnat pains, menstral cycle, etc. Incase you didn't notice or unless you are blind, I haven't post any biblical information. You would not know anything about abortion or how the women would feel because you can't get pregnant. YOU HAD SEX, that's a choice you made. I mean, what's wrong with you Jacob? I'm so disgusted. I mean, if you were not ready then why have sex then? How can it not be planned for? What are you going to expect if you have sex besides getting STDs? Gosh! It's not like you don't know anything about the world these days. Have you been sheltered all your life?

Sometimes, people abortions to suit their selfishness. Like, they still want to have sex, so carrying a baby around will scare off guys. That's what my aunt did. She aborted three babies just to have sex so you can't tell me that it's always an accident Jacob. No one's making you have sex. I know some people who are 16 who go to my church and have babies. They weren't ready but they took responsibilty. You can keep your legs closed. You can't blame it on the baby. Also, not every baby is brought up poor. That I know, sometimes the parents, grandparents help you out or allow you to live with them until you get back on your feet. You would know the consequences. That's why we have a brain Cookoo boy.

Also, when a prostitute has sex with alot of men, and she gets pregant then it's not her fault? It's the childs? That was an accident?

(1) - And thats what makes you backwards.

(2) - See, you have posted your biblical shite so many times and tried to prove points with it that everytime i see you type sumat all i see is "God, he sends gays and abortee's to Hell...God is good...worship God...no other God exists...just God...Yo"

(3) - Indeed...I am male...and thus i have no feelings whatsoever. Also, i am a Closet-Heterosexual...which makes me worse...

(4) - I did!? What...that was quick and a warmth filled moment...

(5) - It is!?

(6) - I dont know, maybe that i had sex and i didn't know it!!

(7) - I'm so confused!!

(8) - I didn't know i had sex!! One minute i was typing a reply to this...and then BOOM!! I've lost my virginity!! I never planned it!!

(9) - Well, i never planned it!!

(10) - Fun?

(11) - Gosh!? Whoa...Stereo-typical Englishman showing!!

(12) - Wow...you, you must be so...so proud?

(13) - Because its in their beliefs...they go to Church. Also their parents probably said "Keep it...Bitch" or something to that effect. I hate religious people...they are so vile.

(14) - I cant...im a Shlut. Yes, thats right...i said Shlut.

(15) - Nobody is, they're just getting rid of it cos they ARE NOT READY!!

(16) - I'm sure there was a good point in there somewhere...

1. What has that got to do with anything?

2. I think it's obvious that he has.

3. It's nobody's fault unless she stupidly decided not to use a condom or a morning after pill. Of course it was an accident.

Well, I think abortion is a good idea if the parents don't want the baby. I mean think about it, would you rather be aborted, or left in a dumpster to die.

Whats that sposed to mean?

(1) - Or maybe its due to them not being emotionally ready.

(2) - Or, like, they are not emotionally stable.

(3) - Not all guys.

(4) - Point? How do you know she did anyway. Pinky, your young, i doubt your going to be told the entire truth. If your parents told you then it could be true, it might not be. If your Aunt told you, again, it might be true it might not be.

(5) - HOW DO YOU KNOW FOR SURE!?

(6) - Im not. But if your not emotionally/financially stable and its not planned then IT IS A ACCIDENT.

(7) - No? Pimps force their hoe's to have sex. If you are saying "Nobody is forcing YOU to have sex" and directing it at me then no, your right. Unfortunatly nobody is forcing me to have sex.

(8) - Its not always due to money problems that the baby is aborted.

(9) - You might not want that sort of dependency, also, who cares if they will help you!? If your not emotionally prepared then you could have a nervous breakdown and possibly spend half of your life in a institution.

(10) - You are really grating on my nerves. Dont start pissing me off even more by calling me names...

'Or does one have to have AIDs for the other to get it?'

Further reading:
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1. No, that's what makes you naive.

2. I did not post any biblical information. Are you some idiot or something?

3. I here's a skit:

Jacob and a women were out on a date, his wife watches them on the dinner table and angrily walks over:

Wife: Jacob! What's your excuse!

Jacob: I'm sorry, but I was born to cheat on you. It's not a choice.

Wife: Get out of my house!

Jacob: But I was born this way! *sob* I can explain! I can change. Oh wait, I can't.

4. OHG! LOL! You really can't comprehend! LOL

5. Wow Jacob..you really are naive.

6. No, your just have some type of mental crisis.

7. You always are.

8. I can just imagine your marriage...LOL!!!

9. Then I think you should keep your mouth shut if you can't back up anything.

10. Ha, you make me laugh.

11. Yep that's how I would describe yourself! LOL

12. Atleast I have stories to back up what I am talking about, instead of making up crap. LOL

13. Um no. Theirs some christians who kill, smoke and streal. Don't stereotype and assume that Christians are perfect and care about their christianity. Who cares what you hate because religious people don't like you either.

14. Wow, I've just noticed this, your making fun of what I said because you can't back up your information. :) I can tell by the lack of seriousness.

15. Duh! You would know if your not ready and will not have sex in the first place.

16. You just can't answer it.

Jacob I think you need to download "what would you do" by City High.


1. That's no excuse.

2. Still no excuse.

3. Not all guys but some girls think that. Some guys don't want anything to do with you if you have a baby or an abortion. Sometimes the guys get upset themselves because they want to take responsibilty and take care of the child. You can't get accidentally pregnant that's ridiculous. You better be happy Jacob you are not in America people would look at you like your crazy. it was your choice to open your legs. What do you expect is going to happen? You think having sex is not a choice? That's crazy. Some people wait when they are married, your saying that it's not a choice then?

4. You need a reality check.

5. *slaps forehead* Too easy..too easy...

6. You are too. if you know that you are not financial stable, then don't have kids. It's just as simple you can think you have a brain.

7. they have a mouth, they can say no! Not all pimps make their hoes have sex. Not street prostitutes. Some prostitutes just show what they got, some don't have sex but majority of prostitutes do.

8. How would you know? Sometimes the mother is depressed after she gets a abortion.

9. Not to everyone.

10. You are the one starting it! You took it too far. Making fun of my beliefs, accusing me for stuff, I should be the one calling you names. I wanted to make this a clear argument until you say "stop putting your biblical information or I'm backwards" when I didn't put my biblical information in this topic in the first place! The man asked us what did we think and I posted what I thought, and not to get bitched at by you. If you leave me alone, I will leave you alone. Nothing in my first post, was offensive to anyone in this forum until you came and gripping your mouth off to me. Why can't you except what people think about homosexuality? I can except what people think about christianity because I don't care, as long as I think it's positive. I'm sick of hearing you make fun of what I believe, and I never make fun of your homosexuality. If I do, don't get mad okay? Let the homosexual topic go Jacob. It's over. Not everyone is going to like homosexuality, (some non-christians don't like it) like not everyone is not going to like christianity that's life, deal with it.

Also, I agree with Sydman.