Militias and the 2nd ammendment
 

How many here believe the 2nd amendment to the constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. Are guns evil, or is it the person weilding it? Do you think regulation and taxation of guns is wrong? What about waiting periods, for or against. Sorry, that was a shityload of questions but I jjust had to ask 'em. I didn't think this topic came up so now will be a good time to discuss it. (As for me, GUNS RULE!!!!)

Re: Militias and the 2nd ammendment
 

Depends. What's the 2nd Amendment? We're not all merkins here, remember...

What a silly question. It all depends on what the person does with the gun. The argument for the banning of guns isn't that guns are evil, it's that it's a lot easier to shoot someone if you have one...

Yes. They should be banned outright.

When the American constitution was penned, America was a very different place. The right to have guns is outdated.

Guns are instruments of death. Since I'm against death, I'm against guns.

Re: Re: Militias and the 2nd ammendment
 

Amendment II, Constitution of the United States of America:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


I personally support the right to arm bears.

All guns banned, Dan, holy shit! Well, anyway, what good would come of that? The minute a government starts to regulate guns, look at how they turn all police state on 'em and do illegal malarky. How did the holocaust start? It started after the guns were banned. China hates guns, same with japan, and look at all the anti rights things that happen over there. and once you start regulating and licensing, it is only a matter of time. Brittain, australia Canada all banned because people are at the whim of some powdered whig parliament. Also, guns aren't the prob, it is the criminal justice system over here that is messed up. Over 50 percent of crimes take place waiting for a trial, a 4.7 percent of black people are responisible for more than sixty percent of all black crime. !0 t0 life is often turned into three years and back on the streets because of "good behavior". Juvie justice is just as big, if not a biggerr travesty. Sixty days in juvie hall is the average for someone who rapes people with a weopon such ass a knife or a gun! Then they go back on the streets and commiit hundreds upon hundreds of crimes, some do thousands, costing almost 400 hundred thousand in damages and lives, which cannot be measured in mere money or property. The BAFT is also horrible, just look at Waco and the less publisicized case of Randy Weaver.

Isn't it dangerous enough just to arm humans? :)

Might as well make it a fair fight. ;)

Want to expand on that?




Basically, more guns makes it more posibble for people to get shot.
Say there's a big room and that big room has 1000 monkeys in it if there are 1000 guns in there then there is likely to be more deaths than if there were no guns.

That's my theory anyway.

Americans...calling them Merkins...never heard that b4...thats quite funni...LOL

For a start, less people would get shot... Say what you like, but obtaining guns illegally is a lot harder than obtaining the legally...

Your knowledge of History is not so much apalling as just bizarre...

America likes guns, and look at all the violent crime that goes on there.

Oh, thank god for that! For a moment there, I thought you might have had a clue what you were talking about... Thank you for allaying my fears...

Real Statistics are misleading. Your Made-up Statistics are even more so. Besides, how can you accuse a Justice System that enforces the Death Penalty of being too lenient? No, actually, don't answer that one, we've already had that argument...

People who claim the right to gun ownership for the purposes of protecting their family aren't aware that chances are higher for a child to stumble upon the weapon and blow their faces off than it is for a burglar/murderer to enter the home.

Picture this:
Scenario One
A thief enters a corner store armed with a shotgun. He demands the shopkeeper hand over the money. The shopkeeper hands over the money and the thief leaves. Nobody dies.

Scenario Two
A thief enters a corner store armed with a shotgun. He demands the shopkeeper hand over the money. The shopkeeper reaches under the counter and produces a handgun, much to the panic of the thief. The thief fires his shotgun and kills the shopkeeper, takes the money and flees. The shopkeeper's life has been extinguished because of the existence of guns.

Guns have no purpose other than to kill when not in the hands of law enforcement.

Another point to consider is that a person who normally wouldn't do such a thing might use the weapon in moments of extreme emotional stress. A woman who might carry a pistol for protection comes home early from work to see her husband in bed with another woman: in her fury she uses her gun to kill her husband and his mistress before shooting herself in the head. If she didn't have a gun her life would be back on track within a couple of years.

Guns cause unnecesary deaths.

Along time again when America defeated Britain, like osemoensaid before it was a different place. Think, they were musket. Thye were thinking of people having muskets hanging over their fire places unless the British attacked again. It was for protection, the whole world was different then. Terrorists and such were like not there, robberies and homicides werent everyday things...

Monkeys with guns kill monkeys.

I never knew America had a war with Britain. What was it about?

Only because we let you win... ;)

You've seen The Patriot, then?

Then, as now, these things depend on your point of view. Britain, for example, would probably have regarded the whole War of Independence as an act of terrorism...

Britain have the best SAS in the world...they are trained in fire-arms but can also enter a area and exit it with the infomation required without firing or causing any un-nessary deaths.

America has rockets...rockets are big...they go boom when fired by a dictator that has revenge on his mind.

Pretzels are salty...they have the ability to kill pricks who eat them...unfortunatly some pricks collapse and with sheer luck the pretzel will be forced out of the air way.

Guns are bad...but so are people. People kill people, Guns just make it easier.

I believe that guns should be aloud but with very strict rules. nothing besides a handgun for civilians, much longer waiting period, very Thorough backround check ect. ect.

what is funny is that the British were defeated by a bunch of peasants whining about their taxes

Wow . . . yet more incisive historical interpretation in this topic.

Indeed...
 

Im sorry, is this true or is this another comment like his 'The English taught the Native Americans how to scalp' comment. Which...not only made him seem like a simpleton...but also a lil retard child. And im gonna go out on a limb here...but wasn't that like...in the past...as in...before guns and SAS organisations...so...what does that have n e thing to do with the topic?

Yes, yes. All the Brits think its funny... "Ha ha!" to all us 'Merkins. :dodgy:
Ah, your just being a sore loser 'cuz you were beat by a bunch of peasants whining about their taxes! :p

*scratches head* Eh? Did I miss something vitally important in my history lessons at school, or was this just a very bad reference to the American war of Independence?

Wah! I'm confused...!

Well, we burnt down your White House, so there... :p Have you ever burnt down 10 Downing Street? Or even Buckingham Palace? ;)

Did we?

I know that we defeated the Germans mostly on our own cos the Americans came in at the last min and said 'Dont worry...here we go...look...your winning now since we come!!' and we were like 'Yeh...kool' (The 'Kool' was sarcastic of corse)

Near the end of the American War of Independence, Britain realised that it was losing. [No, hang on, I mean Britain realised it wanted to let the Americans win. Yeah, that sounds better...] In a fit of pique, Britain sent a small but well-trained army down from Canada, and burnt the White House to the ground. So far, we are the only nation in the world to have succeeded in doing that...

Ah, but the White House is like body hair. If you destroy it, it just grows back thicker and fuller and more luxurious! (unfortunately...)

The revolutionary war started off due to people being annoyed by overly high taxes (taxation without representation) and yes jacob this is true, althought there were, as with all wars, other factors involved. as I said before(as a correction) scalping was practiced by small groups of indians but was not widespread until the french offered rewards for british scalps.

Y r u so wrong Steve? Y...it was a firm belief that if u scalped/mutilated ur enemies corpse then the enemy cud not challenge u in heaven (The Native Americans heaven) and thus Scalping was a religion practised by many Indian tribes...the French thing...that cud of happened to...i dunno...ill ask. However...find proof of ur argument and then i shall bak down.

simply mutilating could have been but what group was this that believed it?

I shall try to find more sources to back my orgininal up.

additionally, those peasents also had help from french armys.

Yes. That was how Napoleon came to own several acres of the USA... That was why Lafayette became famous... That was because France and Britain hated each other so much at that point in History...

Sorry, yes I was relating to the war of independence, sorry if thatmay have confused any of you. And Steve, Americans back then werent a bunch of peasants, it was no different than England back then, I mean most people were English. I guess here in America they focus on this stuff more, I mean some class in Australia would mention it, but hey in my class last year the stuff took like 15 weeks to cover, all those dates and people and battles.....

Wow, Jacob, my Hamster's history skills are more advanced than yours. Jeez, man, go to school at least once in your life.
As for burning down the whitehouse, yes, fine, Boilers did do that (we have our own terms for you, too), but they let Dolly Madison go in and get the paintings. We really aren't that different. Come on, Yanks and Yorks can get along well enough, if we stop dredging up 200+ year old grudges.
Getting back on track a little, It's not suprising that Danny was not familiar with the 2nd ammendment. A lot of people in the states don't even know it. The National Rifle Association seems unable to understand it. It's unbelievable the number of dirt-stupid gun nuts that are dead-certain it reads literally "the right to bear arms", when it really doesn't. They all use the same damn argument, too- "If we made guns illegal, then only criminals would have them, and we wouldn't be able to defend ourselves". FIrst of all, I agree wholeheartedly that illegal guns are not nearly as easy to attain as people think. I myself plan on moving to Canada, Australia or the UK just to get away from all of this crap. They've tried it there, and it works. IT WORKS- let me reiterate that for those of you who want to say it doesn't work. IT WORKS, WE HAVE PROOF, ILLEGALIZING AND RESTRICTING GUN OWNERSHIP DECREASES THE CRIME RATE.
And, even that aside, even if changing the rules is out of the question, which it sometimes feels hopelessly to be the case, it doesn't matter- the second ammendment does not cover your right to bear arms! It covers an american citizen's right to form a "well organized militia". If people actually knew HOW TO READ, they might realize this. I want to know under what circumstances a child shooting his friend over a toy, or a thirteen year old buying a gun at Walmart constifies a "well organized militia". This crap makes me sick. The 2nd ammendment is a relic from two hundred years ago, and the only reason it's still around is because our country is full of bloodthirsty, primitive dumb asses who are easily manipulated by incontinent members of an increasingly disfunctional and corrupt senate.
I do agree, however tentatively, though, that guns themselves are not evil. They are a tool, just like a hammer or a saw. Unfortunately, the only thing that a gun does is kill or wound things. Yes, you can kill or wound things with a hammer, but that's not it's only use. It's dumb to blame the guns for people using them, yes but there's an easy remedy to it no matter what's to blame, and that's TAKE AWAY THE FRIGGING GUNS!
Sorry to be so verbose, but you guys picked the one topic I'm probably most adimate about.

Though this has gone far from the original post, I shall tell you what I think of guns... Well, people say that "Guns don't kill, people kill." Hah! Come on, guns help kill and sometimes DO kill. Think about it... without guns, the murder rate would go so far down... Guns help people find an easy way to kill or rob. It would be so much easier to just shoot someone in the head than to struggle with them, trying to slit their throats. With guns, people who are about to be murdered don't have a huge chance of surviving. And, if a small child or mentally unstable person is left with a gun, think about how they may accidently shoot themselves. I actually knew someone who shot them self in the neck when they were a child, and they ended up being retarded ever since. I really don't think it's possible for all guns to be banned, but it would be a damned better place without them... I am in favor of gun control... Any one who is opposed to gun control must have a death wish or have an odd urge to get them self robbed...

And, if I may add... Some of the knowledge of history in this topic is startling and sad... Tom not knowing of the war of independence, Statikk thinking the holocaust started because guns were banned, and many other sad things... Come on, people... You must want to know a little more about history!

Also, on the subject of Merkin... I don't mind it, it's like calling someone a Brit. But finding it funny? That's a bit of a stupid sense of humor to find the word American to be funny when shortened...

Heh! Just because you Brits pronounce the letter e as a short a! But, on the subject, I guess I'm kind of nuetral on gun control. From point of view, it has its good points and bad points...

I was recently told it was the Revolutionary war and that the war of Independance was something else.

The Revolutionary War and the War for Independance are the same thing. Or there is some war I was never told of.

1) I doubt your hamster can even count.
2) I do go to school.
3) Dont try and provoke me.
4) Why are you getting involved?
5) Are you American...if so...what gives you the right to have a go at me?

1. I doubt you can prove any hamster can't count

1) I doubt u can prove hamsters can count.