what is your description of God?
 

Well I think God is more than just an old man sitting in the clouds making thunder to punish people. To me he is everything that was created from the beginning of time. He is not a he or a she. God is more like a simbol for me. I think God is just nature in it's goodness. What do you think what God is if you believe in God?:fuzblink:

Okay, this is complicated. I don't believe that God is a separate entity to us, but I believe that we have some form of God within certain people. It is created by our belief in it, and therefore takes the form of whatever we believe it to be (e.g. Allah, Jehovah, Brahman). Although it has no existence outside of our minds (and dies when we do), within our minds, it has an almost separate existence, and a small amount of power over us. Like I say, however, it is only called into existance by our belief in it, and therefore does not inhabit Atheists or Agnostics...

Basically, I think of God as a sort of Jungian Archetype. Do people know what one of those is, or am I going to have to explain it?

I agree (mostly) with your explaination, Danny. That's all I've got to say...

Well...
 

Well...like all stereo-typical gay guys (Although i'm straight...dont bother asking...its a long and complicated story involving...lots of long and complicated things) I think God is female...erm...and thats it...actually...i dont have a opinion on God...woteva he/she/it is...it made us...so he/she/it must be insane or sumat.
However...Lucifer...i can say about him. He has a purple suit with pin-stripe lines going down horizontally. His hair is gelled back and he has tiny black horns coming out of his forehead. He has black nail-varnish on his short nails and he has no facial hair. His eyes are bluish and nice looking and he is very slim. He suit is made by Versacé and he has a Golden Rolex watch. On his left middle finger he also has a Silver ring with the letters 'G.O.D' on them...i am wondering what sexuality he is...i'm going 4 Bisexual...dunno why...i jus' think it wud give him more character. Hmmmm...i really do have issues.

I think Dan said it kinda well there.. I also believe that god is created by our belief in it. It's the need of people to have a meaning in their lives and have something relieable and comforting in their lives that makes them to believe in some kind of god, what ever they think it is. I think it's good for people to have faith in something like that if it helps them. But if someone is really scared of his god and dedicates his whole life to please him I think he's kind of wasting his life. If there really isn't anyone.

Still working on that game, Chris? :D

ah, well, er, i don't really believe in much of anything. i agree with some 'things' but i sure as hell don't believe in *THE* God...
Dan's idea/theory really suits me, and i think i shall steal it.
*steals theory*
heh
or, god could always be alanis morisette, like in that movie, Dogma. :rolleyes:

God is a .... who is always happy when his children are around him.. He likes to listen rather than to talk and he smiles when you even think about him.
He is a .... who cares for everyone of us and crys for the people who turn their backs to him.
He is a .... who regrets his decisions but is forced to send people to hell. He loves and prays for the people in hell.
He is a .... who forgives man and always looks on the bright side and looks in your heart and not your actions.
He is a .... who crys when you cry and laughs when you laugh because he is within all of us and feels all of our emotions because he is more than our father.
He is a .... who HATES when wars are made out in his name and man kills man and man judges man without trying.
He is a .... who welcomes you with arms wide open and a song in his heart, he stays with you till you fall asleep and watch every breathe you take with love and joy.
He is a .... who respects your decisions since he gave us all free-will which is the greatest gift of all but is sadened when it is taken advantage of.
He is a .... who does not separate his children by the outside but by the heart of man and the heart of his heart
God is a .... who is always happy when his children are around him.. He likes to listen rather than to talk and he smiles when you even think about him.


that was a poem that was written by my grandmother on her deathbed. It is right above my bed and i always read it when i am depressed because it fills me with warm love.

I agree with Dan, but what's a Jungian Archetype?

And I like your Devil, Chris...

God explains the unexplainable. That's why he's so popular.:D

I'm an atheist, but I thought Oddbodd's grandmother's poem was really lovely. It's so sweet.

I think that God is everything. For an example, our world, earth, we, life, is a part of spectre of a light, let's say infra. Then God is everything, and he IS who spectre. Everything. And thus, his apperiance variates. Like Danny said at 2. message.

i may possibly get some arguements here but i really don't think god can be all that to be honest sometimes i don't even believe in god. i believe that there is a great superior like him/her but if god was all that we say bad things wouldn't happen in this world. actully i don't even think there is a heavin/hell once you die you die nothing else comes from it. but i really shouldn't say much i don't have a realigon (sorry i'm bad at spelling) or anything so i really shouldn't have much of a say in this. i'm more then likely wrong about what i just said but i have the right to express my opinion. please don't get mad at me if you strongly believe in god.

The problems arise when someone discovers another explanation...

Okay, I'm not very good as explaining things. A Jungian Archetype is something that exists within our minds. I'm not entirely sure about the details, but I think it has something to do with the Collective Unconscious. The Collective Unconsious is a sort of collection of ideas that exist within the minds of everyone. Jungian Archetypes are figures that exist within the Collective Unconscious: the Hero, the Heroine, the Wise Old Man, the Child, the Villain, all of these characters that exist within us. That is the reason why there is one of each of these characters in most stories (whether Shakespearian Plays or Star Wars). They are a part of all of us, and have a certain power over us, but have no existence outside of us. That is how I think of God.

Disclaimer: I've probably got the details of these things wrong, so if anyone knows any better, just keep your big mouths shut! :D

Still, there'll always be things never explained. I was suggesting that God is a comfort pillow... As they say, if God didn't exist, people would have created him.

A Jungian archetype doesn't necesarily have to mean a collective consciousness, although I guess it can (Jung was also kind of new-agey in some of his philosophies). I seem to think you're saying that people create God in their heads according to preconceived ideas, like stereotypes, usually formed around culture.

*sob* Well said poem oddbodd!:D

This is exactly how I think it is. He doesn't exist so people have created him.

sorry Fazerina but i when you said "He doesn't exist so people have created him." it sounded like "HE DOESN'T EXIST" You must understand that alot of people believe that there is some form of eternal entity that drives us on but saying that "HE DOESN'T EXIST" is a bit harsh and unprovable. "If he exists" would be correct.
And dont say to prove about gods existance because we are to believe as a fact.
"thou shall not put god to the test"

That's Right!
 

Good point Oddbodd.

Placing Fazerina's comments in context, you'll see she said "This is exactly how I think it is. He doesn't exist so people have created him." She made it clear her comments were merely her opinion. You've got to understand a lot of people accept the natural world as it its and don't need to validate it with some kind of mystical entity.

i know what you mean and thousand pardons.

But what i dont know is how you can live like that, dont you feel lonely or nervouse knowing that when you die it will just be.... well black?

Thanks, Syd. :) Couldn't have said it better.

But anyway.. pardons accepted. :D

No. I don't feel lonely or nervous. The fact that I don't believe in god doesn't stop me from believing in life after death or reincarnation.

Yeah right, everyone is scared to die and you will feel lonely. No one to be with you, all by yourself for all eternity. It's like Hell yo.

Before you are born, you don't exist. Many believe that when you die you no longer exist, so you experience the same feelings you would have before you were conceived.

I don't know about you, but I don't recall feeling lonely in the time before I was conceived. I don't recall feeling anything, because I didn't exist.

But no one knows that, it's just their opinion.

You're right, no one knows for sure. Your opinion is no more or less qualified than the next person.

Some might argue that elaborate stories of God and the afterlife were created in the interests of self-comfort. All creatures are programmed with the desire for self-preservation: Humans extend onto that desire with fanciful tales of the afterlife.

True.

Wow... I think this is the first civilazed conversartion that we've had about god in a long while... I'm glad to see friendly chatter!

According to you that's where I'm going, so where's the difference?

What makes you think that we don't believe in some kind of afterlife? Just because we don't believe in a Supreme Being doesn't mean we think that it's all going to be just black after we die...

I personally am content to wait and see. I think what is most likely is Reincarnation, but that's just what I think will happen. The only evidence for Reincarnation is very weak (people who recall past lives and things), but since there can never be any evidence at all in favour of Heaven or just Blackness, I choose Reincarnation...

[I'm not trying to start an argument here, by the way. I'm not just saying that there IS no evidence, but it stands to reason that there can never be, since if you believe in Heaven, then you believe that there's no coming back. Reincarnation is the only belief that could possibly have any evidence for it, so I choose it.]

Apart from anything else, it's what I would want to be true, which is what Religion is based on, anyway...

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Originally posted by Fazerina: According to you that's where I'm going, so where's the difference?

*sigh* Please don't get her going... We all know that Pinky feels uncomfortable telling people that she thinks they're going to Hell, and a comment like that could only be counterproductive... As Luke said, we're doing so well...

[Sorry if I sound arrogant or patronising here, but I am simply being cautious in light of past altercations...]

Yeah.. I felt kinda guilty after posting when I read Luke's reply..:o

i don't really have much to say, except kudos for those of us, well all of us, who kept cool heads throughout this entire discussion.
this was a very 'productive' discusssion, what with no fights getting in the way.
i do like the idea of reincarnation, as it seems the most likely to me...
i also like the idea my mom once gave me..and I quote,
"But what if our universe as we know it, is just like some fish tank in a persons living room?"
it's not the best, but it certainly appeals to me.
anyway, i'm rambling again...

Um no...that's not what I meant by Hell......

Also Dan, you lied because I don't think that everyone is going to Hell. You don't know what I think so don't tell me what I'm thinking, iight?

If I was reincarnated, I would be a g-string!:D LOL j/k

i cant stand to live another mans/womens life i would feel that my soul had been changed and my last self was just an outfit.
My belief is whatever you have faith in is what you shall get.

people who believe in god will get god
people who believe in satan will get satan
people who believe in nothing will get nothing
people who believe in reincarnation will get reincarnation
people who belive in white fluffy puff daddies will get white fluffy puff daddies

It is all based on faith

Kudos. My thoughts exactly.

Don't be provokative. I did not lie, what I said was "Pinky feels uncomfortable telling people that she thinks they're going to Hell", and you do. You've said so before. I've asked you the question, and you've replied "I'd rather not answer." I wasn't being provokative or insulting, I was stating a fact in order to prevent some kind of argument. Trust you to try and turn my peacekeeping attempts into rows...

I like that, appreciate that, respect that, and more or less agree with that. It may not be true, but if I were running the Universe, that's how I'd do it...

One question, though:How is it possible to believe in one without believing in the other? I was under the impression that you, for example, believed in both...

[Note for provocateurs: This is an honest question...]

I beleive what oddbodd mean't was that if you truely believed you would go to heaven you would go to heaven, if you truely believe you would go to hell you would go to hell. unfortunatly I get the bad end of that, I go to nothingness.

I believe in Santa Clause, so I will get Santa Clause.

Steve, nothingness isn't necesarily a bad thing. You wont have any reservations about nothingness when you not even your thoughts exist. I'd go as far as to say there's a sense of beauty in eternal nothingness. *wipes tear from eye*