Church kicks out nursery kids for learning about Hindu festival
 

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Where is the all-knowing, all-caring church we keep hearing about? The loving, tolerant, open-armed, generous church which normally falls over itself to help children? Let me know when it resurfaces, will you? Because apparently the "church" we have now is more concerned about hammering its own dogma into kids' brains instead of letting them discover what might be going on in the outside world, and in other cultures. Jesus is really going to be pissed off at our so-called 'Christian' church when he gets back...

Horrid. The whole thing reeks of sour ideals. To some people, there is only one way of life for everyone. It's just sad.
"Where are all the stupid people from?
And how'd they get to BE SO DUMB?"
-NOFX, "The Decline"

1. Do you live in Australia or something? I've never heard of one of those.
2. Still not with you...
3. I never knew it existed in the first place.
4. When did they not do that?

I was being Ironic, Tom...

I was...er...reiterating the meaning of your irony, just in case...er...someone didn't understand you...


(*pfew* He made me feel stupid for a second there!)


Edit: Yes, I remember now, I actually was reitterating his irony with current-affairs satire!

[ December 17, 2001: Message edited by: Gluk Schmuck ]

I agree and disagree.

I mean, I know that they are children and he had no right to kick them out because it's God's church. Not his. He could of atleast told them why and give them a lecture, not go to the extreme and kick them out.

And yeah, they should'nt learn about Hindu festivals in church because Your encouraging Kids to believe in God and that he delievered his son to die for us, Jesus Christ. I mean, it's a place to learn about the bible, God and relating to that. Not Hindu or anything that does'nt sound right.

Rettick, about when Jesus comes back...It maybe tonight or tomorrow or ten years from now. Mad? It really depends who's left behind.....

But it's not like the kids were becoming Hindus or anything, they were just learning about Hinduism. What's wrong with learning about other religions?

But it might encourage them to become hindus. Kids would believe anything and they don't know what's up. There innocent.

It's not bad to learn about other religions. I would'nt in the church it's common sense now.

Well, I say they should be given information about ALL religions, so they can make their own decisions, rather than being forced to be Christian...

But if you go to a christian church, you choose to believe in God. They probably seen parents reading about the Hindu festivals?

Do you seriously think these children had any choice about what schools to go to? They were only small, they couldn't possibly have made the decision themselves! Their parents clearly sent them to that school to indoctrinate them...

Besides, even if you are a Christian, surely it is good to learn about other religions, if only to know what you're up against...

um duuuuh, I just said that. Your going to learn about other religions anyways because of the school curriculium. It really depends how you were brought up also like what religion. Or people just study other religions to see what else is out there and still hold tight to their own beliefs.

Kids should be given the chance to decide what religion to join on their own without influence from their parents(notable exceptions however, like diabloism). I was forced to be Roman Catholic and needless to say I didn't like it at all.
My belief is that if there is really a higher power watching and guiding over us(God, Allah, or whatever you call him/her) he/she can take many forms and would be the same god for all, therefore...no matter what religion you are following (again the exceptions of diabloism and the like) you are really worshiping the same being...only in a different form.

kids should never be left out of anything for knowing alot.

Pinky, do you think that kids are completely stupid? As a young child, I was very smart. I see no need as to why these children shouldn't choose their own religion. After all, this country is built upon freedoms. And the main reason it was formed was to get away from the Church of England.

If one feels secure with their beliefs, they shouldn't be afraid to taste what else the world has to offer. Maybe those kids could have learned a thing or two from the Hindu way of thinking.

So this one 'God' is split into several different Gods with different personalities et cetera in these polytheist religions...
Mesa think you need a small amendment to your theory.


Built by the puritans? No, the Native Americans built it more than the puritan pilgrims.
What happened when the pilgrims got there? From what I heard they shot lots and lots of 'Indians' and 'allowed' them to live in small spaces of land when they originally owned all of it.
Hmm, how far is 'Puritanism' away from 'COEism' anyway? I think the Native Americans should've kept the land and shared it with the immegrants.

I don't think it's right to encourage children to become Hindu, or Christian, or Jewish, or anything else. They should be able to learn about different religions, and atheism, in school then make an informed decision about which they prefer.

You see, this is why I thought about being Buddhist. It's such a practical religion. But, Im to attatched to material possesions. So, a Christian I remain, and that's fine with me. :D

To Gluk: Alright one clearification coming up...

Let's see, 'god' appeared to one group of humans in one form (lets say a wolf) and advised them how they should live and they worshiped him/her as that. Then a little later on(or around the same time), the same 'god' appeared to another group of humans only as a eagle and again told them how to live and those humans worshiped him/her as that.
The 'god' would take a form that would be most appealing to the present group and would cause the humans in question to be more comfortable with his/her words and advice.
What I am getting at is that a 'god' can take mulitple shapes and forms. Lets use one of my God characters for an example. Thunder Moon takes multiple forms, mainly of a chinese dragon and a tiger, because most of her subjects are dragon/dragon-like or cats. But if she so chooses she can be an eagle, griffin, whale, human, you name it. A god is not a being limited to one form...I remember in the bible (yes I did read some of it...) the christian god took the forms of pillar of fire, a bushing bush, and a cloud if I remember in the Old testement. It was only in the New Testement that He/She took the form of a human: Jesus.
I hope I cleared up my theory for you.

kind of like in greek mythology where the gods can take any form they choose exept when they are in true form if anyone looks at them they die so mabey not.

I didn't say that. You guys really would'nt know if you had children. As long as a child is in your household, they are going to believe what the parents are going to believe because it's their household. I mean, when I was 3 or 4 I had no say in what religion I wanted to believe in because I was a little girl and of course my parents are going to rule over me. I find it kinda silly for a little child to tell a parent what they want to do and try to rule over what they want to do in life because they don't know.

I can see if they are older, yeah because they are on their own. And you are old enough to make your own decisions. I say, as long as your in your adults houses, you have to believe in the same type of religion until you move out of the house then you are free to do whatever because you have your own household. Ya Understand?

This is blatently not true. Children have a natural impulse to rebel against their parents. The only way these devout christian families generally manage to keep their children christian is by imposing harsh punishments on them if they show any signs of deviating from christianity.

So you're saying that parents should be able to decide their children's religion because 'their kids don't know what they want'? How do parents know what their children want more than the children themselves? What you're saying is not only silly but also deeply morally wrong.

Wow! At th moment I gree with Rettick! But that report was just SAD :mad:

So if you had a child you wouldn't let them make any decisions and they'd have to do EXACTLY what you say? That's not nice.
But if you let children make some decisions it will teach them 'reasoning' and it will make them more happy in the long run.
I'm not saying you should let them choose your car, but at least let them choose what to have for dinner once in a while.

And if it was made law that everyone in a household must belive in the same religion, that would set a precident allowing priministers to make the whole country belive in the same religion and kicking people out if they don't agree.
Therefore, it's not a good idea at all.
But, knowing you as much as I do, you would probably enjoy living under faschist rule.

in roman times the parents could do whatever they wanted to the children and were completly supported by the law. I don't know why I mentioned that it just seemed to fit.

Whaaaat? Whatever, you don't get what I say. You probably live in a messed up household if you try to rule your parents.

Um yea it's true. And it's not morally wrong. Probably not where you come from. Majority of my friends have to believe what there parents believe because it's there house, on religion base I mean. I never heard such goofiness, a child too rule over their parents house when the parents are the ones paying the rent. What you saying is goofy and stupid and I never heard anything like that. That's messed up. I mean, I have to obey my parents rule because they are the ones paying the bills yadda yadda. But when I'm on my own.

I have a choice to either dump my old religion, or change since I am an adult. But do you think, I am going to be a hindu when my parents and my brother are going to be christians? That is putting such unequality in your house hold? You think they would allow that? Not in there household. It won't work out if your son is a buddist and your a hindu a wiccan or whatever. How would you think It will work, Rettick and Gluk since you are sooo smart and you knooow everything. So tell me, blaaaaahhhhh! LOL I had to say that! :D

[ December 19, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

1) Pinky, Stop twisting our words! :mad: WHO said anything about children ruling over their parents? NOBODY EXCEPT YOU! Not once did we suggest that children should tell their parents what to do. How does letting your child believe what they want mean that they are suddenly ruling over you?

2) In answer to your question: It would work because everyboldy would believe what they wanted, and nobody would be being forced to believe something they didn't want to believe.

Now stop talking about totally irrelevant and ridiculous things and address the issue...

Rule over my parents? No, I just make a few small decicions like what I have for dinner, what I study, what I do in my free-time.
Oh, and by the way, there's only one parent in my household. I'm sure you'l use that against me, but it should be more fun that way...

1. That is like saying that all Americans MUST belive in the same religion as George Bush, just because it's his continent.

2. I didn't say children should be able to rule over their parents. You said they shouldn't and I didn't contradict that.

3. And back to the personal insults.

4. I understand that, but I just think it's better to let children CHOOSE thier own religion. Just like letting a child choose to be vegitarian, gay or a *shudders* politician.

Aaah shut up. irrelevant. Is that the only word you can say? Everything is soo irrelevant to you. And my discussions are based on the issue so stop crying.
I just think that living in a household with unequally yoked will not work, at all.

Rettikk, why do you make these f'd up topics. they're all about how evil christianity is. and since you love pointing out the religious faults of christianty, letäs trz the same with hinuism. 3 reasons whz that religion is a piece of shit. come on, itäll be fun. And indoctrination_ I basicly see the human being making decisions everyday. If the indoctrination is so strong what about püeople who fall away. werent thez basiclly brainwashed into that religion. Iäm sick of all the christ bashing that goes on. itäs apretty peaceful religion. So lets treat all religion as evil if christianitz is bad. Or lets just stop with the religious squabbling. Take it up with a pastor. It obviously riles everyone up.

1. Wrong! I am not saying that. Where did this Bush idea came from? Nobody did not say anything about Bush.

2. Who said you did?

3. Whatever.

4. No comment.

1. Because they are intellectually stimulating, I'm sorry if that's lost on you.
2. You said it.
3. I, personally, know more about Xianity than any other religion so it's convenient.
4. I am, personally, not bashing this 'Christ' guy, I'm bashing that church for kicking out a nursery for giving children religious education.
5. Each religion should be judged on it's individual merits. Xianity shouldn't bring any 'good' religion down with it.
6. Ok then, you get the pastor.

we aren't insulting christ we're insulting the people who use him to say that they are right even though they clearly aren't, religion is not a reason and hopefully will never be.

This is terrible. All you guys are doing is making fun of each other. I was hoping this would be a mature conversation. :(

Okay, I'll take this step by step, for the hard of understanding...

1) Pinky, why are you so unable to answer simple questions? I asked "How does letting your child believe what they want mean that they are suddenly ruling over you?", and your reply was If your discussions are 'based on the issue', why do you evade any questions we ask you?

2) Nobody said that Christianity was evil. All we are saying is that children should be given the opportunity to choose their religion. It would be equally bad if Hindus or Muslims tried to indoctrinate children [which they often do]. Why are you and Pinky so opposed to giving people Freedom of Religion.

3) Let me clear one thing up. Christ was a really nice guy. He wasn't the Son of God or anything, but he was really nice to people, and was quite a good healer [whether he did it by Medicine or Faith Healing is arguable, but that he did it is probably true]. Unfortunately, his words and deeds have been twisted by 2000 years' worth of Total Bastards, and used as an excuse to treat each other like shit. I am NOT [repeat NOT] saying that all Christians are like this, for there have been many great people who have been Christians, e.g. Mother Teresa. Unfortunately, there are certain Christians who use obscure misinterpretations of Christ's words as an excuse to mistreat others [I am NOT accusing Pinky or Statikk in this]. Fundamentalist Christians also tend to have a slight right-wing slant to their beliefs. For their objections to Freedom of Religion, I tentatively include Pinky and Statikk in with that last category, but not without trepidation...

Edit: Mature Conversation? With the Forums' representatives of the Christian Right? Yeah, right...

[ December 21, 2001: Message edited by: Rettick ]

Rettick, I get what your saying but that third point was your opinion. It's not a fact. You don't know anything about christians or christiality now stop.

It's not always christians either, it's atheist too sometimes that have a a slight right-wing. Almost all people in every kind of religion does.

[ December 21, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

Now, Rettick. That makes it sound like you were out to pick a fight when you started this topic, which I know you weren't. But I think you knew that there would be some friction between you and Pinky/Stattik.

personaly I don't care if you believe that chickens shall bring forth armagedon by plucking the eyes out of the people who are the tastiest (wing lickin' good) and those who obey the chickens before shall rule after as long as your a nice person.

Now I have a craving for some BBQ chicken! Thanks alot!