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Anyone of you yanks wanna exercise those gun rights you love so much?

My missus has been banned from going to the US because of her Iranian blood. Not sure how the fuck there's logic to that.

So yeah, let's have a thread about what utter scum that tiny handed fascist is.

Didn't you live in Britain?

Yes, but we wanted to go to America to visit Nat's family before they passed away. It's not gonna happen now. The ban extends to people who hold dual nationality and my missus is half Iranian.

Darn, this is most unfortunate :(

All those people who told us “wait and see, he won’t be as bad as what he says” – they were right, he’s worse.

Trump’s travel ban has caused chaos and confusion, and it’s already been temporarily blocked by a federal court.

It’s heartening to see how quickly protesters have come out to decry the ban, as well as how quickly legal aid has been offered to those affected. Hopefully the concentrated efforts of so many people can put a complete stop to this stupidity.

But if this is what happens one week into his presidency, what else is going to happen in the next four years? How much further is he going to try and go? How much more damage is he going to cause in pursuit of hateful agendas?

But I guess this is what happens when you let a white supremacist write your executive orders for you. (That’s the same white supremacist who wants to silence any dissent in the media and just got a seat on the National Security Council at the expense of two of the most senior defense chiefs in the country, by the way.)

I have no idea if Manco is insanely paranoid or he's just fear mongering, but one thing is certainly clear; He'd make a great journalist.

I’ll take that as a compliment sweetie

That is quite unfortunate. And even though Trump lost the popular vote it's mad to think that so many Americans wanted this to happen. So.many voted for him hoping he would fulfill his promise.

He certainly didn't mean it as a compliment. Your post was far from neutral.

To be fair I know I'll get hate for this but I can take it. But if I was an American I would definitely have voted for Trump over Clinton. He's far from perfect but man I can't stand Clinton.

Why would it have been neutral?

Just because he was painted as a political outsider, it does not mean he's anti-establishment.

I agree.

A news reporter should report news accurately, not distort them.

But they don't though. That was my point.

I’m not a news reporter though, am I? Do you think I’m seriously claiming to be one? No, I was giving a flippant retort to someone’s empty insults.

varrok i'm gonna need you to stop triggleing right here thanks bud

Either way, great job hijacking somebody's thread to yet again talk about TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMPEDY TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
TRUHMPS BAAAAHD
TRUHMPS GOOOOOHD


Nobody should give a fuck, it's not the end of the world, and guess what? No matter where you're living, you're lives are going to remain largely unchanged.
Argue with that, but I'll be happy to look back and laugh at you in the 4/8 years time when it's been proven true.

let me hijack this thread about trump by talking about trump


Yes, no one should give a fuck about politics or world events, it is literally impossible for it to affect anyone’s lives. We also shouldn’t discuss any subject which doesn’t directly affect us, or pay attention to anything that negatively affects others unless it hurts us too.

If you and your pals don’t care, why not just ignore the thread and let those of us who do care have a more pleasant discussion?

At first I wondered why this wasn't a blog, then I noticed the final line of the OP and expected a more rational and sound debate. I don't know why I expected that, I'm tired and have a cold so I'll blame it on that.
Because that was exactly the point I was making.
You know who's lives it definitely affects? The politicians. We start talking and screaming and protesting about them and their pockets get heavier.
You're right, it's such an infrequently discussed subject in which everything that is to be said has totally not been said, and you're original post made plenty of astute and original observations that was definitely worth the read.

That's the equivalent of saying "if you didn't like this film why did you comment? gtfo fag"

I didn't like your post, I give it a 3/10.

So, let’s just all ignore the politicians? That’s not going to solve anything; if you distrust them that much surely you should be scrutinizing everything they do?


You’ve certainly contributed so much to the topic yourself???


It’s more like “if you didn’t watch the movie why are you talking about it?”

If you have a differing opinion go right ahead and let’s have a civil discussion about it, but just coming in to a thread about a political subject just to insult everyone else and proclaim you don’t care about it is childish and pointless.

It's caused us quite a lot of hassle tbh. My girlfriend isn't going to be able to see her terminally ill family members before they die now. So...there's that. Pretty big fucking deal.

Not what I was saying. My point is that not only has Trump been discussed to death, but your post was
so I decided to take a pop at you for it.
Genuinely probably more than you did, and that wasn't even my intention.
I have watched it, so, so many times, it's playing everywhere. And it's really shit.
Yes.
Mind me asking what they have? How is an entire family terminally ill? Infection?

They are very prone to cancer unfortunately, I think maybe four or five of them are on the way out because of it. Trump's disturbing reactionary ban on random ethnicities means she won't get to say goodbye.

And what I’m saying is that this is a thread created to discuss Trump, so coming here to complain about how you don’t want to discuss it is completely unnecessary. As was “taking a pop at me”.


Nah, you haven’t made a single post here actually about the thread subject. Again, if you want to discuss the topic instead of bemoan others discussing it, feel free.


So change the channel – the thread is totally optional for you if you don’t want to read or talk about it. All you’re doing is dragging the people who do want to discuss it off-topic.

STM, you made a mistake: this should have been a blog (instead of a thread).

I agree.

Also, if there were a way to offer our condolences without a flame war, that'd be great.

Jesus, how naive are you? I'd say that I wish I could bury my head in the sand as deep as you've managed, but I'm not sure if your head is in the sand or up your own ass. The fact is that this country, arguably the most powerful country in the world, has elected a man who ran on an openly nationalist platform and operates on fascist political policies. And some of us actually care about how the country we live in, or the country that is undoubtedly going to affect us, is run.

But, let's ignore how fucking indefensibly terrible his policies are. I could go on and on about him silencing several government organizations, about him branding media outlets that disagree with him as "fake news," about him wanting to publish a fucking weekly list of crimes committed by foreigners. Let's instead talk about how you decided to shit up the thread.

You came in here with grief over people complaining about Trump. You didn't defend Trump which, as much as I would like to argue against, would have been perfectly reasonable. No, you didn't give any opinion whatsoever on Trump, and you were quite intent on that. You were complaining that people were talking about Trump, in a thread about motherfucking Trump. Now, I could even defend this if you were voicing an opinion against a Trump thread in general. "Oh, we've heard so much about Trump, we see him everywhere in the news already, we don't really need to discuss him here." "Oh, I'd rather we didn't get political on OWF, it just leads to fights instead of debates." But no, as you've demonstrated, you're fine with the idea of a Trump thread.

Someone voiced their opinion, and because you didn't like it you decided to shitpost. You started an argument, knowing full well that you'd be going into it without putting up any position for you to defend, just so you could stay on the offensive and derail the fucking thread.

Why is Nemo upset?

I have looked down upon my children and decided them to be unworthy.

Since we're going to talk politics, didn't Obama do something like this?

Iirc, the list of countries he banned was originally Obama's.

probably should've been a blog cos of the above shit happening

STM man hope things get better for you, really shit policy in place atm hopefully it gets revised

No, people just need to think more before they post.


This claim has been popping up a lot, but it’s false. Here’s a Washington Post article explaining what happened during Obama’s presidency and how it differs from the current situation, and a Mirror article that bullet-points the differences also.


It’s supposedly based on a list of countries that Homeland Security deemed required further scrutiny during Obama’s administration – there’s no indication that the Obama admin planned any kind of executive order like this.

The way I see it, since the dawn of democracy, there has and always will be a sort of "lag" effect when it comes to what we credit - or blame - our leaders for. People blamed - and still do blame - Obama for a lot of the damage that was actually caused by Bush, meanwhile Trump will probably get credit for the good decisions Obama made over the course of 4 years depending on the state of the country in that time. Then again who knows, maybe that's not always true.... Obamacare supposedly isn't anything at all like it was originally supposed to be before all that negotiation it went through before it was finally passed. And that's even when it was actually being proposed by him, after the basic idea had already been talked about for years prior. They're probably just gonna fuck with it more and more over time.

I don't really follow politics much to be honest, but I've heard that a few days ago Trump set up the paperwork for us to build that stupid wall over the next 10 years and it's supposedly gonna cost us 5-25 billion dollars in taxes. He promised we'd be "reimbursed" by Mexico meanwhile there's absolutely no legal bind saying they are supposed to, and now Mexico's giving us the middle finger by saying Trump can't be negotiated with. So basically, he just made a terrible business deal.... This doesn't really give me a good impression at all for our future here in the US.

Yeah I don't think I ever mentioned it, but I'm a fat American. :u

My mistake, it seems the decision was made directly by the State Department (by then, led by Hillary Clinton). However, the State Deparmnet is part of our government's executive branch, putting them under presidential authority, i.e. Obama. So, for those 6 months, Obama was likely complicit.

Furthermore, the State Deparment enacted the ban in 2011, near the end of Obama’s first term. Meanwhile, Trump is attempting to meet his campaign promise to implement strict vetting of people from, or with nationalities from, unstable countries with severe terrorism problems, barely a week after being inaugurated. He doesn't yet have Rex Tillerson to lead the State Deparment, or John Kelly to lead the Department of Homeland Security. Therefore, an executive order was, really, his only option (not that he'd avoid the backlash were they in place).

A very real possibility. Just look at President Van Buren winding up with the Panic of 1837 caused by Jackson’s policies such as “species circular," as well as splitting the federal bank’s funds (as a means of killing it) into poorly-managed state banks (causing massive inflation).

Pretty reasonable, too. For all we know, Congressional Republicans modified it with unfavorable additions and set it up to fail (also explains how he became a lame duck by the end). Just look at how many times Congress voted to shut down the government. Even Trump has admitted that protecting people with preexisting conditions is great.

However, this is not to minimize Obama's failure to compromise with Congress.

It may seem that way if President Nieto is unwilling to negotiate, but the reality is that we hold all the cards. One thing to remember is that we don't need Mexico to literally pay us, it's just that Trump promised that Mexico will "pay for" the wall. For instance, Trump just recently asked Congress to approve a 20% import tax on Mexican goods. Other potential solutions include driving up the price of visas and forbidding Mexican immigrants from sending money back home to their families (amounts to $24 billion a year).

Nothing to worry about. I'm pretty surprised by how diverse this community is, yet it hasn't caused any problems (as far as I've seen). Besides, America's a pretty big and varied place (pretty obvious when one considers how different regions of the country vote differently).

The amount of times you had to say the word "Mexican" is the real problem here though - his whole campaign is just one giant distraction.... I have yet to see any credible evidence anywhere that the most important thing to do for our economy is to crack down on immigration. People are naturally inclined to blame others when things are bad, and - for any nation - find it easier to blame foreigners. That's what he's preying on - radical, ignorant xenophobia, and it's only going to be encouraged with this kind of behavior.... We may be able to afford a 24-26 billion dollar wall in 10 years, but the real question is, do we really need this? Will it actually make a difference, or will we just be wasting money that could be better spent somewhere else? Even some conservative values would potentially have a higher value. That's money we could spend on police, prisons or the military.

The biggest defense I've ever really heard about building the wall was that it'd create "like tons of new jobs, maaaaaan :u" But honestly, even if it really takes 10 years that still may not matter if it comes out of all of our pockets. You could say the same for any hard labor - the president could commission millions of people to recreate the Egyptian pyramids but 3x larger in Washington right now, and that'd give a lot of people jobs. But really, what would that accomplish? It'd just make us look cooler, maybe at the most increase tourism a little. To me, I foresee pretty much the same in this whole wall business. It's just gonna sit there and make us look stronger - it's the equivalent of us funding a dick-measuring contest.

Is a single dick worth 25 billion? :(

i thought it was all memes why is he doing this

see i don't really care about trump, hating him is missing the forest for the trees. Why is he in power doing this tho? Is this a flaw of the presidential system? Of first past the post voting? Is this policy something that is widely supported in the USA?

The whole idea of propagating fight with fake news (the list, to little surprise, included platforms of other opinions, that were not really fake news) was being pushed by the far left during the election in order to get Hilary elected.