Game Of Thrones Season 6
 

Who else is pumped for tonight?

I tried my best to read A Dance with Dragons before the sixth season, but I'm kinda a slow reader, so I couldn't manage it.. on the last like, 200 pages I think. But I don't mind finishing it sometime this season. I'm really excited for the show tonight though, who'll be watching it?

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I've found this: http://www.billdowis.com/2014/06/11/...a-for-fanboys/

lol Vlam posting a link to some review that corroborates your theory doesn't make it any more valid; it's the internet so there's bound to be someone else out there who believes the same insipid shit as you do. big whoop. to be fair whoever wrote that review seems to have the same short attention span as you do, for example:

after the second episode? the second episode? shut up, sit down and watch the fucking program. asking why nothing amazing has happened yet by the second episode is just impatient and pretty immature, and if you think like that then you probably won't enjoy the show anyway. go watch Power Rangers instead.

also: so what if GoT is classed as a soap opera, that doesn't mean it's shit. it's not on the same lines as Coronation Street/Eastenders/Neighbours etc which really are terrible soap operas. Breaking Bad and The Sopranos are a couple examples of good soap operas, and GoT is up there with them in my opinion.

I've seen season 1.

You have the right to disagree with him. However, it's obvious that you don't try to understand him.

Breaking Bad and The Sopranos: the "soapy" elements could be justify. Guess why.

i read the whole thing. from what i understand he thought it was a soap opera, liked it anyway but wanted the pacing to be faster. that's it. if i'm missing something, please tell me.

i'd rather not. i'd rather you just told me and saved me from guessing because i have no idea how your bullshit logic works.

Well, it isn't a Soap Opera, or I wouldn't really qualify it as one.

You define a Soap Opera by how the characters interact. The story is driven by their lives and the drama and story which happens within their life, the interactions and relationships between the characters. If you watch, or more specifically read the series (A Song of Ice and Fire, or A Game of Thrones, you'd understand why characters death is so prevalent, and why it's a necessary competent of storytelling for the writers.

We're not following characters lives, we're living through their perception to experience the larger story at hand. If their perception no longer has an important detail to contribute to the overall story, they either die, or we don't revisit. Sometimes we even lose a perception to insinuate a change of being. False narration also plays a large roll in the show and books, which is always an interesting story element.

Regardless, I could go into more detail about said story elements which are given via the point of views, but that kinda defeats the point of the series. I suggest watching/reading it, and learning for yourself. I find the article in question to simply be ignorant - which is a fair assumption, because he watched one episode.

Edit: Not that there are anything wrong with Soap Opera's, but this series on a fundamental level, isn't one. "It's a Soap Opera with swords, tits and dragons!" is an ignorant thing to assume, specially if you analyze the writing and storytelling.

So that's the sixth time I'm going to say "Yeah I'll get around to watching it".

I'm sure you will enjoy it.

I mean, to be perfectly honest I'm not too interested in Game of Thrones anymore. There are some great moments every season. The Hardhome sequence, last year, was a very impressive piece of television action. But, really, there's only 10 episodes a year which only ever feels like enough time to check in with our characters rather than do any meaningful with them. The plot isn't interesting enough to carry the characters and the characters aren't interesting enough to carry the plot.

Then I watch a show like Better Call Saul - with minimal plot momentum - but I largely feel that character interactions are interesting enough that it carries the show.

Where the books succeed, I think, is its compelling character exploration. The plot momentum is even slower than the show but it doesn't really matter when it's characters and ideas are interesting. Perhaps now the show can get out from under the book's shadow it can tailor itself more to work as a 10 episode season.

I watched the first episode today and whilst it was great, I'm of course left needing more. This is the thing with GoT, as Holy Sock says, the series needs to be double the length so that all the plot threads get the necessary amount of attention.

I'm looking forward to Winds of Winter more than anything. That first episode of season six just confirmed my fears that the show writers haven't a clue what they are doing.

The Dorne story in the books was among my favorite, and seeing all of it botched in the show was just agonising.

^ what the fuck is this.

Hey, I remember you. You're Dicks + Xanadu

Your ma will be getting my dicks, Varrok. All six of them.

That's exactly how I remembered you!

Rip Dorne ): No fire and blood speech for us.

Oh, there'll be a speech alright. It'll just be from the bad pussay

Don't be such a selfish bitch!!!

It's dialogue like this that kills me..

Today's episode was enlightening.

I didn't expect another dick joke, honestly.

This season has made me empathise with the two most evil characters in the show: Cersei and Melisandre. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing where it goes.

As for Jon Snow, as well acted as it was, the last scene in the episode followed far too many tropes for my liking. I hope the remainder of that plot doesn't proceed in the same way.

I’m honestly just waiting for everything to go wrong with that plot thread. It’ll be something like it was some malevolent spirit they brought back in Jon’s body, or Jon is severely inhibited by having a corpse body, or maybe he just dies again in a couple of episodes. This show has trained me to expect nothing to go well for anyone.

See, when Lord Davos suggested it, my only thought was 'He really hasn't seen enough movies to know how badly this could go'.

As I said in my last post, I really hope they avoid the obvious tropes.

Stannis will be reborn in Jon's body.

Don't ask me how I know. I just drink, and I know things.

They're both great characters, but Cersei pisses me off still. I hope she dies soon.

Did anybody see episode 5? HOLD THE DOOR! Holy shit. It's so depressing to realise that Bran is responsible for taking away this innocent man's mind, in the past, present and future, seeing as he'll probably be resurrected by a Wight.

I’m more interested in the outcome of Sansa’s dealings with Littlefinger. Is he genuine or leading her into a trap?

What's with all the spoiler tags? Surely anyone who doesn't want to read spoilers would avoid this thread like the plague?

I'm finally caught up so I can participate in this topic :D

Time paradoxes in Game of Thrones. Now I've really seen everything.

It’s not really a time paradox though, since it’s a self-sustaining loop.


I don’t trust that – Littlefinger is the most conniving politician around, he could very well just be saying that to lure Sansa into doing what he wants. I guess we’ll find out when Brienne checks things out.

No it's both. Pretty sure the writers confirmed that he's genuinely sorry. Remember, he does love Sansa in his own creepy way.

The writers have lied before.

I'm glad they had that stand off at least because goddamn Littlefinger sending Sansa to Ramsay made no fucking sense at all. Like shit man, one of my biggest gripes with the show is still how that made no sense and was only for added drama. The fact they actually addressed in universe how much of a gigantic fuckup that was from him is good. I mean, they had to. Show Littlefinger couldn't get off easy for that.

lol @ the ending of episode 6, that was such a gigantic cheap out. Dany not being able to control the dragons is a really big thing. Even if they have a damn good explanation next episode, that was still a really shitty thing to do. I mean the only reason she got stuck out there to begin with is that she can't really control Drogon - he'd let her ride him and she could kind of steer but he's still wild and out of control. If Drogon doesn't fuck everything up and kill a bunch of Dothraki and/or their horses I'm going to be pretty pissed. I'm guessing Dany is going back to Meereen with Drogon, but sending the Dothraki west to rendezvous later and sail to Westeros though? I really hate this. Dany had Dothraki ready to fight for her in season 1 ffs. Has she really failed at her liberation of Slaver's Bay just to come around in a circle?

Dragons have been established to be intelligent creatures. Drogon has no reason to cook the Dothraki seeing as he probably knows they're allies of Dany.

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I figured they're gonna run into some problems with the dragons at some point or another. I thought it was quite foreboding how Danaerys is talking about how special and important all the horsemen are before her, sitting on top of a shifty looking dragon she's previously been shown unable to control. I figure she could spend at least a proportion of the remainder of this series dealing with Drogon charring part of her army/dishevelled masses.

Also, they still haven't addressed what she's going to do with the cities she's taken on Essos (Meereen obviously being the main one), I mean her plan is to get rich and fuck off to join the affray in Westeros, but she's still obsessed with maintaining her control over this cluster-fuck city in Essos as well. I'm assuming she can't have both...perhaps she'll stick Varys in control of it or something? Maybe set it up as a client city-state.

Also, the fuck is going on with the Faith Militant and Margaery? Tommen is a weak lil shit and I can see him succumbing to the High Sparrow, but Margaery literally an episode or two ago talked about how she and her brother had to stay strong against the Faith Militant. So, who really knows, maybe she's outplanning everyone.

Also who the fuck is Benjen and why is he important?

Also who the fuck is Edmure and why is he important?

I’m pretty sure the whole ‘controlling dragons’ storyline was wrapped up at the end of season 5 – Daenerys couldn’t control them because she was afraid of them, but then she overcame that fear and Drogon flew her to safety when the fight in Mereen’s colosseum broke out. The real question is gonna be what about the two dragons still locked up – will she regain their loyalty or are they now Tyrion’s?

Benjen is Ned’s brother, he was in earlier seasons and was a crow but disappeared during an expedition beyond the wall when the rest of his men were killed. It seems that he was fatally wounded but was saved somehow by the weird bird children.

Edmure was the guy who got married at the Red Wedding instead of Robb.

A recurring thing with dragons is how they're a walking mass of destruction though. There were a scourge of the land. Even the tamed dragons the Targaryans used to conquer Westeros were dangerous, hence the Dragon Pit and their extinction. If we're supposed to buy that Dany now has perfect control over Drogon then that's bullshit.

And the Tyrion stuff with the dragons was bullshit too. It goes against everything we've been told about them. According to Dany when she's flying Drogon, when you want a dragon to steer left you whip to the left, because a dragon's first instinct is to attack. I'm sad we didn't get Frogman in the show, because his misadventures with the dragons was really great.

But hey maybe I'm applying too much book logic to the show.

Also is anyone else confused at how they took a legendary figure from the book - the Night's King - and applied a similar name to a completely different character for the Whitewalker leader dude? Kind of like they're doing with Coldhands? Martin explicitly confirmed that Coldhands wasn't Benjen in the book. Also the three-eyed crow in the show isn't the Targaryan bastard Brynden Rivers while it's pretty certain, if not confirmed, that it's him in the book.

I thought Coldhands wasn't in the show, or have I missed something?

I don't think Dany has perfect control of her dragons whatsoever, but as we've heard before, they're very smartsmart. That part with Tyrion freeing them I thought was really touching. They understand language to a certain degree.

And yeah, I think you have to stop applying book logic to the show. They're two different beasts and that's totally fine. If they adapted the book 100% it'd be boring as fuck.

My big problem is that I refer everything to the book without meaning to, and I actually forget what was and wasn't in the show. I'd have sworn Coldhands was in the show guiding Bran and co north but he wasn't. I forgot just how quickly Dany left Drogon after they left Meereen in the show, which is pretty big because in the book they made a point of saying she couldn't get him to take her home - it explicitly said she wasn't in control of him.

I'm still so fucking mad Roose Bolton was killed off. He is a much better villain than Ramsay, even if that isn't obvious in the show. Book Roose is everything a villain should be.

I prefer Ramsay.

One thing I love in the book is that we don't see the gory details with Ramsay, we just see the aftermath. We don't see Theon's slow torture, we don't see him abuse Jayne Poole, but we very much see the impact of those things. He's dark and creepy without it being shoved in our face in the same way.

Roose is a good balance to Ramsay. There's a clear conflict between how they want to do things, but Roose is still far more intimidating due to his power. Ramsay with power is a fire waiting to burn itself out.

Also I thought the letter was better in the book >:c