Fallout 4 (you're all wankers)
 

MOD EDIT: This thread and all the posts down to FrustratedAssassin's were split off from What Are You Playing Right Now here.

It hurts me to admit it, but Fallout 3 proved to be a better game than Fallout 4.

And Fallout 3 is a boring, repetitive, uncreative, imbalanced, ugly, gosh-darn-8-year-old stupid, stiff, buggy mess.



But I bought Roundabout. It's an amazing game. I love it. It's about going round and about. Playing it while listening to that:

As an RPG fallout 4 is simplified. It looks like a hell of a lot of fun though. It brings some cool new features to the table, and generally tidies up the gunplay (once you turn off the default acceleration and 0.5x mouse scaling on the Y axis in a .ini file lolololololol).

It's a sale pick up for me, but what I've seen looks better than FO3 by a mile. It's NV that outshines it.

What's your reasoning? Because I played a lot of Fallout 3 and 4 just completely blows it out of the water. Same for New Vegas to. And I bloody adore New Vegas. (although I don't think any Fallout game could top the location of NV, it was just too good.)

Fallout 4 feels like an heavily improved Fallout 3 with some really awesome new mechanics as well as improving older ones. And that's what I wanted, I think that's what everyone was expecting. I can't imagine going back and playing 3 now. I just can't.

The gun-play and melee systems are so much better. It always felt awkward to shoot anything in 3 or NV and I always felt myself really relying on VATs to help way to often. But in 4, I rarely use VATS because I can actually aim in the game.

One of the best things they changed in 4 was to try and minimize pause screens. I always disliked how bringing up VATs and when your looting a body paused the game. It broke the action. Now you just simply hover over the body to see all their stuff. The Pip-Boy does work the same, and can be a little annoying navigate. But just the 3 and NV, you can make favourite items for quick selecting

Other things I like is giving the protagonist voice acting was a really good decision. I'm already invested in the story, and while I agree having no voice for the main character does make you think up of your own story and character, you can just do what you want and speak to whoever you like, so your not bound to the main quest just like any other Bethesda game.
So I just think adding a voice makes the character. Well. A character.

And the last things off the top of my head which I like are:

Dog meat is amazing. I'm not a dog owner, so I can't relate, but this is the best example I've seen of a dog in a video game. There are little things like the way he runs off and sounds which just add to that. Love the little guy! :3

Power Amour feels like I'm playing a Mech Warrior game. The way you move, make really loud footsteps and cause general havoc is great, The HUD also really makes you think your in a Mech.

The graphics are great. What was the big hissy fit over it again? People need to realize games aren't just about graphics. Sure there not the best I've seen, but what I will say is holy fuck the lighting in Fallout 4 is beautiful, the god rays are so niiiiiice :D

And finally, The building aspect and scavenging for scrap is addictive as hell. I've found myself building in sanctuary a lot more then I thought I would. So I can imagine that's what is going to make me keep coming back ontop of side-questing.

So yeah I'm really enjoying Fallout 4. It's extremely fun and It's the improvement I wanted to the Fallout games.

Oh, my naive friend, I probably WILL make an in depth analysis of how much this game sucks.

You know what the game is Varrok? Fun. Fuck you for being a condescending prick to someone genuinely enjoying the game. Take your bitterness No Mutants Allowed you sad fuck.

Fuck Bethesda for making cheap, effortless sequel, and fuck you for not caring whether your experience is being dumbed down to teen-targetted modern cinema level.

Oh just fuck right off.

You can keep your "in-depth analysis". Nobody wants to hear your opinions if your going to be a judgemental cunt.

Jesus.

I understand and agree with some of the criticisms about it being dumbed down. And there are a few features I would of liked to be put back into 4. But I just hate it when people judge you for liking something. It's your opinion. I'd happy discuss there thoughts if they weren't being a prick about it.

I haven't posted a single Metacritic review in my life

Yeah no.

You're so very clearly just trying to kick against something that is immensely popular it hurts just trying to see you do it. Fallout 4 is a major improvement over Fallout 3 in just about every single way and it deserves every bit of praise it is getting.

Oh, Havoc.

Never change ;)

Oh, Varrok.

Please change

Oh shit, somebody has an unpopular opinion. It's obviously not because he has legitimate criticisms, no. It's because it's popular and anybody who doesn't agree with the general consensus is clearly just doing it to be a hipster.

I've not even played F4 but this "debate" if it can even be called that is just fucking pathetic. If this game is so easy to defend then actually fucking defend it instead of using character assassinations and ad hominems all the fucking time.
Do you know what a review is?

Generally positive?

Which obviously means that if anything differs from "general positivity" it's just disagreement for disagreement's sake, right?

By Manco's standards when most people say something, they're right.

Well I mean I was making a dumb joke but really if you wanna get all hot ‘n’ bothered about the only person who’s bothered backing up their opinion of Fallout 4 in this thread is Crashpunk. So the people disagreeing for disagreements’ sake is, well, everyone else in the thread.

Because the fact that I was actually writing a thorough review, carefully noting the things they did right and wrong, counts for nothing and isn't really even worth mentioning.

Great job as labeling me (and other people) as people who disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

Also, CP was the only person who said he didn't even care about me backing up my opinions, he prefers to be in his safe bubble instead.

I mean, if my rumblings, rational or not, are gonna spoil the fun of the game, you should question whether the game was actually fun to begin with.

~safe spaaaacee~

Let’s reiterate.

You started by mentioning how you thought F4 was worse than F3. Phylum stated he liked it, Crashpunk asked you why you disliked it and then posted a summary of why he liked it.

Your next post immediately descended to calling Crashpunk naïve for his opinion and boasting about how you’re gonna go write your own analysis of how much this game apparently blows.

Do you see why everyone is calling you a dick? Maybe? Because it sure wasn’t because you disliked the game.

hint: it’s because you’re being a holier-than-thou prick about your opinion

Ugh please. Stop this "hipster" bollocks.

Varrok didn't give legitimate criticisms. He called me naive for liking the game without any reasons, said it was "cheap, effortless sequel" without any examples on why it is, and then insulted anyone who doesn't agree with him.

And your defending him? Are you fucking serious dude?

I gave my opinions, thoughts and feelings. Yes they sound like something a payed reviewer would say. But how else are you going to fucking say it? I can't write an essay on why Fallout 4 is good.

I want a discussion. Not a "ur opinon sucks, i hate you"

I would care. If you didn't insult my opinion beforehand for no reason. Don't turn this on me.

And this whole piece of crap of a thread isn't going to ruin my enjoyment of the game. I know you'd love that but it won't. All it does is question how some people act on the internet.

Agreed, to be honest it always annoyed me as well that in Fallout 3/NV it took you to another screen to loot a body. In some ways I can understand it but it does break immersion and generally wastes your time. In 4 (from what I saw on videos) you can just loot items really quickly, from a sub menu that appears over the corpse. They've definitely streamlined and so far it seems like it's a more balanced and better game for it.

Please read Crashpunk's post carefully and note that it isn't a review, just his personal opinion of the game. Look at how frequently he says "I like". He's allowed to like it just as much as anyone else is allowed to write long winded pointless critical essays on why it's the worst game ever.

But Varrok and Nepsotic continue to miss the point. The point is don't be a fucking prick for no reason.

You were the first person who told somebody to go fuck themselves because he said a game sucks. Saying a game sucks is not being a prick. Saying somebody's naive is not being a prick either.

My post was 100% about you being condescending and nothing to do with you disliking the game. I get why people wouldn't like the changes. It's been enough to put me off buying it until a good sale.

I'd still disagree that's it's an awful game though.

http://i.imgur.com/6r5heLe.jpg

Fallout 4 has been out for a few days and it's already taken over my life which is a problem because I have to do a lot of stuff and it came out at the worst possible moment.

The game is hella fun and despite the performance issues and the horrible UI I like it. A solid 8/10. Miles ahead of Fallout 3, gameplay-wise, I just wish there was more variety in the quests. New Vegas kicks both their asses. And not only their asses, but the originals' asses too and I can't wait for the Obsidian Fallout 4-based game.

Edit: oh look there's a Fallout 4 circlejerk right above

The only minor things I've found myself being irked about are the infinite 'random' quests which were apparently ported from Skyrim, and the weird restriction on custom button layout which was handled fairly lazy. The engine has a quirk every now and again but nothing even remotely close to game breaking (by any definition). As for the graphics, this game could have had the same graphics as Fallout 3 and I still wouldn't care as long as it played as smoothly as it does. But as it is, I think it looks great either way.

Lore wise there are a few things that have been retconned that are somewhat of a shame, but you can only work with 25 year old lore for so long before it needs to be freshened up and tweaked. Now, the protagonist having a clearly defined backstory... is not something I personally care about but I can see how it would put off people who really like the role playing aspect.

From some of the gameplay videos I’ve seen things which look like separate armor for different body parts (a la Morrowind), is that the case?

Yeah, in fact it's one of the most welcome additions to the game this time around. Many, many different armor pieces with many possible modifications... I spend an embarrassingly large amount of time in this game playing post-nuclear war dress up.

Legendary enemies are also an addition I like. They're super strong but have some amazing loot if you kill them. Reminds me a lot of Borderlands.

Just last night I fought a Legendary Super Mutant who had a mini-gun which does an additional 50 radiation damage. So much time was spend trying to kill him without having a fuck ton of rads. I now have the mini-gun and it's bloody broken. :)

So far I'm level 20-something and all the "Legendary" loot I've found was crap, except a pretty OP leather armor I'm using. Poisoner's Leather Chestpiece I think it's called?

But yeah, legendary enemies are fun. First time I encountered one I was super low level and I had just discovered the diner trader. Luckily I had my power armor with me at the time, but I still died a few times because I was out of cores.

Yes, you have three different "layers" for the head, and five for chest and limbs. You can also modify these separate armor pieces, which is pretty great. The only problem I have is that it's kinda hard to tell on the transfer screen what pieces of clothing can armor be applied to. I try to outfit my settlers as much as possible, but some clothing are not applicable with armor. Long Johns, Raider and Road Leathers are fully compatible with them, for instance; Dresses can only take Arm and Head layers; and there are things like Hooded Rags which simply won't take any armor on.

So yes, I've also played a lot of FO4 in the past week. I've heard a lot of flak about it, and some of it I agree with. There are stupid glitches, as usual (just like in the previous games). I miss the depth of the old dialogue system (the only thing that seems to factor in extra dialogue options now is Charisma - in 3 and NV pretty much every Attribute or Skill could possibly open up a new option). Controls are sometimes irksome.

Yet I still enjoy the game. It still has that enjoyment of exploration that I liked in the previous game. One time, I was looking for places that might have a lot of junk (improving settlements quickly became the game for me - whether this is a good or a bad thing is debateable, but I get something out of it at least). I stumbled into a ruined school building, and after some investigation I found a set of bars on the ground level. I found that weird for a school, so I opened the door, and further down the hallway I found a Vault which was as fun to explore as it usually is in Fallout games. They each tell a story in a way that doesn't solely rely on text - the setting gives you hints and lets you figure out what actually went down in the respective Vault.

Fuck armour. I'm always naked. Who needs protection when you take out legendary enemies in one hit from your super sledge?

Oh, fuck Fallout.



This game looks like a really dumb Fallout 3, which itself was a blundering, hideous misinterpretation of Fallout 1 and 2. I'm so sick of hearing people talk about Star Wars and Fallout.

Fallout has followed this insidious trajectory of dumbing-down that I, as someone who has never completed one of these games, completely understand. It just looks about as complex and deep as Megaman X. Ooh, later in the game you get a robot costume? Hot damn, I can't wait to not be able to carry that!

I like the aesthetic, but the execution just feels like people are missing the real meat of this sardonic world. All the constant relating back to these cryptic, ominous factions takes away from being a stranger in a wasteland and foists so many roles upon you anyway. It's dripping with irony, but my god these games are so ugly. These infernal, monstrous, completely synthetic looking people just teeter on the edge of survival in the wasteland and they complain. These games are about complaining at their core. Your inventory complains when it's full, your jellied spine complains for rad-away and these pointless souls beg for your help.

It's sickening. It gives me a headache. Fallout is Mel Gibson vomiting up syringes on a .22 rifle in a 50's diner that uses a 6th grade chemistry quiz as a placemat. I am so sick of hearing about this lame-ass series and the fact that it's not the neckbeard fodder I thought it was, the fact that a zillion people have purchased this and are shitting their pants about it makes absolutely no sense to me.

So your entire critisicm of the game boils down to "it must be objectively horrible because I don't like the graphics"?

It's (ostentibly) an RPG, of course people are going to complain to you. If they didn't, you'd have no quests. The game would just throw you without an aim into the world. However fun that might seem like, it gets boring quickly.

Oh, and the Power Armor, which is not a new thing to the series BTW, it just works decently now, doesn't weigh you down because it's not an inventory item, it's more or less a vehicle you get into and out of.

The game is flawed as fuck, and there are valid complaints to be had. It's just that your complaints are more based around the fact that you simply don't like this type of game.

As I live and breathe... a sane person. Here on OWF?

My review is still coming up, but I've literally been watching a Star Wars movie a day instead of playing the game and therefore didn't gather enough material yet. My apologies for the unintended irony.

No, captain patronizing, I don't dislike the game because the graphics are bad or because I dislike 'this type of game' (I play retard-grade first person shooters all the time, so I should love Fallout 4). I dislike the game because everything I've seen looks like a seriously dumbed down re imagining of a world that already lacked anything new to offer.

The old fallout games, the really old ones, required a much more cerebral approach. I'm not saying the turn based, point and click style should have remained, but taking that glacially paced turn system and then making a sequel whose gunplay is deliberately and publicly modelled after that of Destiny (which is just the gunplay from COD with more lasers) is just such a step backwards. It's like people are praising this game for simply communicating the themes and design of the world in an easy way that suits their sugared-up attention spans.

Call me elitist if you like, this particular opinion of mind is extremely elitist, but if Bethesda is going to design and market something based on an almost 20 year-old property, they should try to do something new with it. Instead, the highlights of the game seem to be:
-Dog
-Robot costume
-Bazaar made out of junk
-Vault boy motifs shoved everywhere
-Super mutants (orcs)
-beaten up old houses
-some weird looking cars
-classical jazz/bepop music crammed in everywhereier

All of which were highlights of Fallout 3, which at least had the decency to slow the pace down a little and offer you some dirty old buildings to sift through. This honestly looks like a mod of Fallout 3 to me. The awkward, seemingly last-minute iron-sights on the guns, the slightly brighter and more colorful pallette, it's just the same derivative crap FO3 was but the distinction here is that FO3 found its legs in the insane modding community, Fallout 4 doesn't have that same entitlement. It's a big, fat console release that everyone is talking about but it just seems to be because they were too young or too dumb to have the exact same experience in Fallout 3, eight years ago.

It's funny you label it an RPG, because by all counts it should be, but it's not. You're not taking on the role of something distinct or effective within the narrative. You're just another vault dweller, wandering into the wasteland and engaging in activity that is really beyond your ability or understanding. What is so special about this post-apocalyptic world if anyone with a laser gun and a vault suit can turn out to be a superhero? I mean, what possible motivation does your character have to get wrapped up in a bunch of political bullshit when that is what getting out of the vault freed them of in the first place?

It's derivative, tired crap and the only reason people act like it isn't is because they were too impatient for the already dumbed-down Fallout 3.

Look, don't take my opinion too seriously. I haven't played the game and I don't want to, but the crazy hype that surrounds it just completely baffles me. It's like they have this really neat world to work with and they just do the same old crap because that's all people recognize, or maybe all they want. That is disappointing to me, because I think you could do more with the wasteland than tell an ostensibly identical story 4 times.

Fallout 3 was more like an RPG, as it featured more than four dialogue choices at a time (which in F4 always follow "yes/no/neutral/question" scheme, never anything beside that) and karma system. In F4 you can't even kill good NPCs. They're invincible.

Quote unquote "Role playing". The role of a stupid mindless consumer with little to no standards

Hurry up with your shitting review, Varrok. I feel like a dick defending you before when you haven't actually made the points I know you're going to make yet.