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squeak117 04-12-2011 03:43 AM

Abe HD pre-production tests
 
Abe HD Pre-production test screens, as seen on the Oddworld Inhabitants Facebook Page:

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...9_981591_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5180423_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3560264_n.jpg

MeechMunchie 04-12-2011 03:58 AM

That's disappointing in the extreme.

Manco 04-12-2011 03:58 AM

It's worth pointing out that they're specifically labelled as pre-production/early tests.

That said, I hope this isn't the style the final product will use - reminds me more of Psychonauts than Oddworld.

Paul_hibs3 04-12-2011 04:03 AM

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It's worth pointing out that they're specifically labelled as pre-production/early tests.

That said, I hope this isn't the style the final product will use - reminds me more of Psychonauts than Oddworld.

I agree, screens look rather ugly, but they are PRE-PRODUCTION so can't fully comment yet. I mean any game including games like crysis 2 are proper ugly at this stage as well I presume

P.s. I think we should make this the Abe Oddysee HD Official Thread since we are posting screenshots of the game now.

Fartuess 04-12-2011 04:20 AM

Don't provoke me to do this better :>.

Dynamithix 04-12-2011 04:57 AM

Doesn't look too good to be honest.

enchilado 04-12-2011 05:01 AM

Doesn't look too good? It looks absolutely awful. I really hope they do more work on that.

Wil 04-12-2011 05:25 AM

What an extreme discrepancy between the opinions on Facebook and the opinions on here.

Nate 04-12-2011 05:40 AM

Bear in mind all that the MO preproduction images and videos looked amazing. So preproduction images don't always look worse than the finished product.

Also bear in mind that they've intentionally released these images because they're proud of them. I suspect that this is what happens when Lorne is not keeping a daily eye on production activities. This just looks like bad fan-art.

AvengingGibbons 04-12-2011 05:42 AM

It look's like an abstract and not so accurate replica of the original:
http://images.wikia.com/oddworld/ima...crabania01.jpg

As OddHunter says, it's pre-production so the final product may look very different/very much better. Hope so :).

Aren't the employees of JAW game artists though? Working with a low budget. And Lorne trained as a photo-realism painter..?

Manco 04-12-2011 05:46 AM

It's kind of growing on me, actually.

e: I think the main issue here is how little detail the rocks and background have. The temple itself looks alright (albeit a little cartoony), but the contrast between that and its bland surroundings really throws off the whole image.

e2: also note this is the real-time render, as opposed to the original only appearing as a pre-rendered image.

THE ALMIGHTY RAISEN 04-12-2011 06:15 AM

Me 1 minute age: "Oh my god! Abe HD pre-production tests?!
Me now: "Where's oddworld? All i see is Looney Tunes"

Manco 04-12-2011 06:20 AM

I thought this Facebook comment was pretty interesting:
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David DavePeas Rolfe
I have to echo @Lior really. the colour pallet looks a way off and lighting also. The rock textures lack quite a lot of depth too. Showing early stuff can be quite risky, but it is nice to see stuff is coming out!

Are you using tessellation on the "hero assets"? I have seen the Strangers updates and hoping this will echo the same quality.
JAW have been doing a great job on the Stranger HD update, so I really think Abe HD shouldn't be judged at this stage.

Jordan 04-12-2011 08:03 AM

Am I the only one who doesn't think this is that bad? It's a pre-production image, some bits are bound to be off, I think it's off to a good start IMO.

STM 04-12-2011 09:19 AM

Shocked, I have never said a bad thing about Oddworld ever (so long as it doesn't involve MO that is) but this I hope isn't the finished result, It just seems flimsy. And of flash game quality. =(

Shrykull15 04-12-2011 10:06 AM

It does look a bit naff, but that's expected for shots as early as these. I can totally see the direction that they're going in; dynamic visuals with background depth perception. When peppered with hefty detail and textures, it could look brilliant. Much too early to judge though.

Sekto Springs 04-12-2011 10:11 AM

It hurts most when you compare it to the original.
I really hope they fix this...

Manco 04-12-2011 10:42 AM

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And of flash game quality. =(

Whoa, let's not say things we'll regret later.

elums mum 04-12-2011 10:57 AM

OMG are you joking ?! They're disgraceful. It looks like Oddworld is going down the new Spyro route. Which is a bad thing. Not only does the cartoony concept look awful but the graphics are crap as well. Anybody saying it's to early to judge are wrong, I think we need to let JAW know that this isn't what we want now so that they can fix this problem early. There wont be any point moaning in a years time when it's released. Talk about Oddworld selling out to the masses.

Stranger4002 04-12-2011 11:10 AM

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Bear in mind all that the MO preproduction images and videos looked amazing. So preproduction images don't always look worse than the finished product.

Couldn't agree more. :)

nowtun 04-12-2011 11:22 AM

all i have to say is... oh dear

lets hope the enviroments for strangers wrath are better

Sekto Springs 04-12-2011 11:31 AM

I think these are just direct 3D remakes of Stephen Olds work.

http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...O/CAAO0119.jpg

Not necessarily representative of the final product.

elums mum 04-12-2011 11:37 AM

Well aren't you a clever cookie? I actually do feel a bit better now lol. I do seriously hope that they keep the distopian feel though. I think the mood of the originals is one of the key things that made Oddworld so powerful for me.

Manco 04-12-2011 11:37 AM

I was wondering what that orb was about.

Dixanadu 04-12-2011 11:39 AM

The temple looks like a massive water barrel.

It doesn't have that...feeling, the atmosphere, that Scrabania had.

Needs that gloomy sky, and those rocks... Those were some sexy rock erosions.

elums mum 04-12-2011 11:41 AM

Agreed agreed agreed agreed agreed. It needs the feel .

JennyGenesis 04-12-2011 11:50 AM

I love how people are getting overwraught over something that is PRE-PRODUCTION.

For those who own it. Open up the art book and take a gander at the Abe's Oddysee section. You will see that the drawings and stuff in there were much different to the final product. It's safe to assume the same thing will be happening with Abe HD. I will even help. Look at Abe's hair before we got the "final Abe"

Manco 04-12-2011 12:40 PM

OWI's recent Facebook comments regarding these shots:
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Oddworld Inhabitants You have to remember these are just grabbed from Maya raw viewport, not rendering ingame with shaders etc.

Oddworld Inhabitants That's because that IS what it was based on :)

Oddworld Inhabitants HD remake, how about that?

STM 04-12-2011 12:42 PM

@ Dixandu - Those rocks turned me fucking ON!

You know what bugs me though, where are the Scrab statues on that picture, they need scrab statues, lots of fucking scrab statues. Oh those sexy scrab statues.

Manco 04-12-2011 12:43 PM

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You know what bugs me though, where are the Scrab statues on that picture, they need scrab statues, lots of fucking scrab statues. Oh those sexy scrab statues.

Did you read this thread?
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I think these are just direct 3D remakes of Stephen Olds work.

http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...O/CAAO0119.jpg

Not necessarily representative of the final product.


STM 04-12-2011 12:55 PM

I did yes. Thanks for posting it again.

Kinto 04-12-2011 01:38 PM

It doesn't exactly have that oddworld feeling to it, but i agree it's way to early to judge.

Mikaeel 04-12-2011 01:40 PM

Now the next pic we need is one of an "in game" level so we can compare the graphics.

Looks good though : )

Havoc 04-12-2011 02:31 PM

Hm... I'm not going to judge since this is effectively concept art.

Mr. Bungle 04-12-2011 03:06 PM

I am.

I don't think they look bad, per say, just... not Oddworld, as others have stated.

KraZidave 04-12-2011 03:19 PM

I like the pre-production screens, however they could change a dozen times before we ever see the game so its moot.
But wasn't this always gonna happen:
*Beloved franchise is cancelled
*Hardcore fans are sad
*Years pass as a few pockets of hardcore fans converse, reminise and hope
*Against all odds the franchise plans a return
*Hardcore fans rejoice and speculate
*Franchise can never meet everybodys expectations
*Hardcore fans get angry and hate the franchise

DarkHoodness 04-12-2011 05:49 PM

EDIT: Oh okay I just realised something.

These shots are interesting and I wonder where they're going with them - Perhaps they could be just an experiment done by them to see how directly re-creating a concept image in Maya would work. If that's the case, it's hugely successful on their part.

For a brief minute I did think that this is what they're working on as a final level for Abe HD until I read some more and thought better of it. But that's made me think a little.

What if the final product may not be what I or anyone else expected at all? Maybe instead of a facelift of the original game, perhaps we should be expecting a decent game that's actually quite different from the original. It's as the developers of the Half-Life remake said once: If you want the feel and atmosphere of an original game, the only guaranteed way to experience them is to play the original game. It's a bonus if you get the same feeling in a remake - Especially when that remake is done by different people.

Can any of you give examples of a game remakes that really preserve or expand upon the feel and atmosphere of their original games? I can't think of any myself. Any remakes I've seen (But okay, I haven't seen/played many) have been improvements on the originals, but at the same time, totally different from them.

Pilot 04-12-2011 05:55 PM

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What an extreme discrepancy between the opinions on Facebook and the opinions on here.

I know, because nobody has the guts to actually tell Lorne.

PRE-PRODUCTION, folks. Go look at some Munch pre-production.

Sekto Springs 04-12-2011 07:07 PM

The Munch pre-production was awesome though.

Pilot 04-12-2011 09:19 PM

I EXPECTED YOU TO CONTRADICT ME.