Salvia
 

So has anyone of you ever tried it out? I am going to next week or so when I got some time or I'll wait for the christmas vacations. And it's legal in Austria. Do some of you have experiences with it? Should a friend keep an eye on me, cause I am more a solo guy when it comes to trips lol.

I would love to try. I wanna make Salvia Divinorum tea, and I wanna plant a lot of Salvia Officinalis and extract out the Thujone.

I've been into natural herbs for a while, and I really wanna learn hoe to make homemade medicine and stuff like that :D Even if it's dangerous. But I find Salvia to be a fascinating plant. Too bad Divinorum it was illegalized in denmark. I think it's still legal in some of the states, so whoever wants it, you should grab it now, before some douche decides to make it illegal too.

What is salvia, I heard of it but don't know anything bout it

I have some in a vial floating around, but it's not the good stuff. :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum
Choose what language you want.

http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html << this seems better since apparently the guy who made it stidies the plant and updates the page yearly.

Hmm it looks interesting, maybe a uni plant

Drugs are bad, m'kay.

This is a legal high / herb that has no real effect on your health mkay?

Y'know, it was a joke.

But to be honest, I am seriously surprised it's still legal in so many countries as it's the strongest herb atm. Why the fuck is weed still illegal in most countries? Why??
But I am really looking forward to Salvia. I'll share my impressions with you.

It doesn't interest me in the slightest.

Having seen what it did to a classmate of mine, I fully understand.

What did it do to him/her?

These are BM's friends.

This .. is .. hilarious!
For the first time I can see your genius shining through the presence of this grumpy old men

Go invent the combustion engine.

But seriously. I wanna know what happened to them?

Total personality change, all grades plummeted, paranoia, inability to concentrate, irritability and confusion. It was scary to watch, the change was overnight. He would disappear for a week at the time on sick leave soon after, and was soon removed from public education altogether for more personal care. This was after a single use.

There is no point denying that stuff like that can happen after a single use. But the chances of that aren't very high.

We had an interesting discussion about drug use and stuff with a psychologist today =)

also, I hope you are aware that he already had the conditions for this breakdown.

Because, you know, smoke in your lungs is typically a good thing, right?

Alcohol is legal and that wrecks your body.

Weed is illegal and has no real effect on your health either.

you already got the weed man. leave the salvia to the others plz! you have no rights to post here!

BTW I don't need to visit your shitty country anymore. I can go to Czech Republic from now on. I don't need you anymore. muahahaha

I don't think I've ever had to go to another country for a bit of grass before.

I tried salvia once and thought it was shit. Biggest waste of time and money in my opinion. Mull that over.

That may be so (though it wasn't a breakdown so much as a physiological change in his brain during what was still a development stage), but how many people engage in the required medical/psychiatric investigation to determine whether or not they are vulnerable in this way before trying cannabis?

I don't think it is an argument for making it illegal (actually I think all legalisation arguments make more sense as cases for outlawing tobacco and alcohol), but I must insist that people going around saying "it's harmless!" are being dangerously irresponsible.

it's more a symbolic thing.

why was it shit? describe it a bit.

It lasts about five minutes at its best and some people don't respond to it much, or at all.

The mileage varies on the strength of the product.
The processed-to-oblivion stuff you get on the main market is garbage. A good friend of mine has had the good stuff (pure, whole leaves) and said it was pretty intense.

Salvia is dumb and impractical. Buy beer or Pot instead.

Oh, and everyone farting it up about how smoking pot or salvia is better than alcohol, you're inhaling combusted fucking plant matter, moron. It's fucking terrible for you.

Better than ingesting fermented plant matter and poison.

If I was to take it I would just chew the raw leaves and then spit em out

Well.. The fact still stand that alcohol kills more people than weed.

Dunno about salvia though. If anyone's ever died from it, or if it's even possible to take in a lethal amount of it.

But really. Marijuana and Salvia doesn't HAVE to be smoked. You can make pot-brownies, you can make Salvia tea. there's a whole lot that you can do that doesn't involve inhaling combusted plant-matter.

Yes there is. I'm denying it right now. That person either had a chemical imbalance, or was dealing with some serious personal shit. Smoking pot is not going to do that to someone. It may do that to them for the duration of their high, but once that shit wears off, the symptoms are not going to persist.

It's more effective whenever it is smoked. The THC in cannabis is absorbed by the blood and goes straight to the brain whenever it's smoked. Whenever it's eaten, it takes a long time to digest for the THC to be absorbed in the digestive tract.

Well yea, they'd have to be pre-disposed to it beforehand. But it's happened, and many people have their stories to tell tell. It's just something that doesn't happen often. Pot isn't totally harmless, but the risks are rather mundane, and I don't bother with them much. Many people don't. But some people just don't know they are gonna have a bad reaction to it. Poor them.

I still dispute that. I've never heard of or met a single person who that could honestly be said of. It's true that you'll hear plenty of stories that people like to tell, but they're bullshit. This is because people are lying shits.

Or maybe it's just that they used a drug that triggered their mental sketchyness and they got harmed in that way. Not saying I's pot's fault. But there's always a risk everything we do in some way. The risks are just so small that they aren't really that much worth thinking about.

Really I'm just saying that BM's friend was probably really unfortunate, and pot wasn't the right drug for him. Most people come out pretty fine I guess.

Except that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that pot could do that. You'd might as well say that it's Jesus' punishment. They are equally sound theories.

Actually, substance-induced psychosis is a well-documented condition, and it is known to cause schizophrenic episodes in people with underlying disorders, not all of whom will know that they do. More insidious is the way it can mask symptoms of mental illness (the early pangs of which might have lead to cannabis use in the first place) and prevent people from seeking or being provided with the help they need.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17662880
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15871146

And what they are saying is that there is no way for them to know if these people were predisposed to use drugs because of existing problems or not.

What we do know is that thc has not been proven to cause, or trigger psychotic episodes in any way. That's what we know.

What we know is that telling young people that certain drugs are safe is irresponsible.