3D Scrab WIP
 

So guys, i've just finished my second year at uni doing computer games technology, since next year i'd like to venture more in to organic modelling, i started to model a Scrab.
I thought i'd post a kind of Work In Progress thread somewhere and get some opinions, since you guys are such big fans of the world of odd, i thought here would be a nice place to get some critique...

Please understand that i have no knowledge of anatomy ;)

What i am working towards is a high poly mesh, which i can the retopologise to create a game standard mesh of probably around 9000-1200 triangles...

OK, so, here's the first retopologised version, i managed to keep it below 9000 tris, so i'm pretty pleased with that...
Bear in mind the texture is purely temporary...

http://a.imageshack.us/img709/3756/scrablowpoly.png

Below are comparison shots between version 1,2, 3 and 4 so far

http://a.imageshack.us/img825/9382/scrab12.png http://a.imageshack.us/img820/8206/scrab32.png http://a.imageshack.us/img837/9155/scrab42.png http://a.imageshack.us/img72/3046/scrab52.png

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http://a.imageshack.us/img832/9052/scrab1.png http://a.imageshack.us/img824/9104/scrab3.png http://a.imageshack.us/img839/8997/scrab4.png http://a.imageshack.us/img829/1905/scrab5.png

Now for the leg revisions


http://a.imageshack.us/img291/287/leg1.png http://a.imageshack.us/img834/8524/leg2x.png http://a.imageshack.us/img826/9531/leg3.jpg http://a.imageshack.us/img830/7462/leg4.png

Comparisons with legs...
http://a.imageshack.us/img707/5852/scrab1234.png

I think it's on it's way to getting there now, but i need you to tell me what's wrong with it, you guys are the experts, so criticism is VERY welcome :D

awesome :D you should talk to nowtun, maybe you guys could work together on the Abe's Oddysee remake ;)

I have a quick question: Do scrabs have eyes?

Thanks ;) it means a lot to me to even get one thumbs up from a fellow forum member.

If i remember correctly Scrabs find their way using a sonar type system similar to bats...

brillent you have real talent there what programs did you use

Thanks!
I used sculptris (free) for the sculpting and rendered it in 3D Coat, though i've only messed about with them for the last week or so, all of my previous work has been done using 3D Studio Max and Mudbox.
It's been nice using some different programs for a change.

Hey cool work man, looks like the Scrab is a popular creature to 3D model haha!
For some advice, I think it's head is a little too far from its neck, for reference see this image: http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...=CAAO0150.jpg2

http://www.gamechronicles.com/guides/exoddus/scrab3.jpg

The back part behind the lower 'chest' is more bulky than your model's.

And I agree with the guy above me in suggesting that you lose some of the neck.

EDIT: actually, i think maybe the neck is the right length, but it doesn't look quite right becuase the scrab neads a bigger head

Thanks, i COMPLETELY forgot that image even existed, i've been working off one image...so yeah, this is a great help. :)

The whole torso is kind of different, i've decided to give it my own spin, giving it wider shoulders, maybe i'll make it more true to the original though ;)

Thanks for the suggestions guys and if you have any decent reference image, please send them my way! :)



OK guys, i've tinkered with the model a bit, more curved back, jaw closer to the body and a little tinker to the muscles too...tell me whacha think...

Wow, yeah, it looks so much more like a real scrab now :)

How do you begin to model something like this? I have 3ds max 10 but I don't know what the best way is to go about modelling something like this. How many polys do you use initially for each particular part? It'd be helpful to see an early rendition before you've used smoothing modifiers ;)

Yeah more realistic, like its at the beach.

At first glance everything looks great. I'll compare it with blueprints from TOGG.

@AvengingGibbons

"You should talk to nowtun" ... Why i'm always forgotten ;)

Please please please!! Have a go at modelling Abe! I love seeing everyone's own personal version of Abe :)

I leave for one day and this shit goes down! Nice work man! 5 cookies for you. pop yum pop yum pop yum etc

Thanks, i actually created the model as it is now straight from a sphere in sculptris, so it's been pure sculpting as it is, with no consideration for triangle/poly count.
I'd usually use 3DS Max, but it's been interesting to fool around with something new.
What i plan on doing is using 3D Coat to layer polys over the high poly model to create my low poly 'game version'.

Thanks for the comments guys, they really mean a lot, without criticism, i'd have thought it looked fine from the start :)
The cookies were delicious by the way ;)

Oh and by the way, Fartuess, i love what you're doing with the Slig and the Rupture farms environment, they look FANTASTIC!

Oooooh, sculptris looks like my kind of modelling software :).. what shall I model?

Some suggestions
 

I wish I had some modelling software but I have no cash. i would help you out if I did.

Blender and Sculptris are freeware aplications.

Thanks for the pointers, i went back to the side on image i have and edited the whole shape to fit it more, i've removed some of the bulkiness on the shoulder, as i suppose i should try to stick to the original design...it's getting there...

I've uploaded a more accurate leg too, seems to fit the bill a bit better now...

Once again, thanks and i REALLY appreciate the feedback, every little pointer helps so much with finalising the shape. :D

P.S, i've started work on a paramite too, expect that to rise up on the forums when this Scrab becomes more finalised...

Really great stuff man, nice work!

I know next to nothing about graphic design/modelling, I worked with Bryce a bit in high school, but was never too good at it. So, I have no advice to give, other than to make more, cause these are awesome :D

That's pretty fucking good man.

This is great, keep it up!

Thanks, i watched that animation in your sig, it was really awesome :D

Thank you, i'm making a Paramite too ;)

hehe, thank you :)

Thank you very much, hopefully by the end of all of the criticism i'll have something to be truly proud of.

I've uploaded an image showing all of the bodies with their respective legs, you can really see the progression, it's so great to have a bunch of guys like you lot willing me on, much appreciated :D

Excellent work man The last model is brilliant, will look great with the texture.

Keep it up :-)

Thank you very much, it's great to get other 3D modellers opinions. :)

So guys, any other improvements you can think of before i retopologise it, little details ie. veins, scratches, etc will be added on after i retopologised the model...
This is how it will go, i'll retopologise it, UV Map it, create a new high poly mesh with details, create a texture put it all together and render the final model. After that i may rig it, but i'm not great at that so...meh...lol :p

I'll probably post my paramite soon if there are no more improvements to be done...

Last model is great, can't wait to see the texture!

Beautiful, But to be constructively Critisistic... (erm.. what?) I would say that a combination of 1.0's legs and 4.0's body would be nearly perfect, but keep the bent knees like 4.0
I think it would look perfect.

Man this is EPIC!!! do you reckon you could do a paramite

That's awesome!

I think that V4 feels a bit overly muscular, but it's pretty darn close to what I would imagine was a perfect scrab. That, and the angle the legs are coming out of the pelvic area from are my only complaints. And the second one is just about the positioning of the model's bits. The legs could be titled downwards a bit so the knee and pelvic joints are not at 90 degree angles. So yeah, apart from those two things, it's pretty much perfect in my eyes.

See, i thought the 1.0 legs looked fine back then, but looking at this image http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...=CAAO0150.jpg2 1.0's legs are pretty damn wrong, i made them more from what i thought they looked like rather than what they actually look like.

I've already started on the paramite, expect to see it soon...ish...;)

Yeah, to begin with i was kind of going for a brutish muscular Scrab, it had wider shoulders, but they've been cut down a bit, maybe i'll go back to the rest of it and un musclify it in the future...
Also, the legs are in a sort of default position, kind of a scrab t-pose i suppose, it should make rigging easier should i choose to try and rig it. Once it's rigged, the legs should be able to be posed in to a more natural position...;)

P.S sorry for any spelling mistakes, the amount of times i hit the wrong key while typing this was ridiculous.

I've started modelling a scrab in plastecine. Want to eventually get some clay and model it properly, with more control, but for now I'm just practicing on plastecine just to see if I'm any good. If I do get round to modelling it in clay, I'll get it fired and painted to make it look all nice and 'real' (depending on whether my 'talent' will take it to that level or not) :)

Only just started the torso so far. Been using this as a reference. http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...=RAAO0020.jpg1
http://i51.tinypic.com/2pr8mrm.png

Nice work there Gibbons, but you really ought to make your own thread for that.:D

i wouldn't want to waste a thread on my piece of crap :P

If I get anymore done, i'll be sure to start my own thread

Good work on the sculpt, it'll be great if you can make a full model, you should totally go ahead an make it!;)

Also...my first retopologised Scrab is up, not rendered in the same program as the others, so the perspective is slightly different...oh and as it says...temporary texture:p

excelent work on the scrab man

very impressed

Digital sculpting software I attempted once, couldn't get to grips with it, so this is extremely impressive stuff for me to look at ;)

Why thank you guys!

@Phantasos, it just requires practice, as you can see from the first revision of my scrab to the last...

also, i've started work on my Paramite now, so please check that, if you would...CLICK ME

Ok, i'll try give some feedback tomorrow. It will be hard, because now it's looking really nice :)

Edit:
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Strange... on LP textured model proportions looks ok, but on 4th sculpt screen (with whole beast) head looks too big...