Avatar, similarities to Oddworld
 

I don't think think there are any intentional similarities between Avatar and Oddworld, but there are some interesting thematic similarities.

For instance, the navi, like the mudokons, seem to be free of all consuming capitalism.

The humans have lost touch with their connection nature as the glukons have.


I'm sure there are more. There are perhaps more interesting similarities that i am missing in my tired state.


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True, but the humans are not being possesed by anyone are they?

There are alot of similar themes, yes. I mean, you can only make a Nature Vs. Industry story in so many ways.

Avatar was like Oddworld if Oddworld was preachy and Disney-fied.

I guess so, and the glukkons only seeking money.

I found the antagonists in Avatar to be completely unrealistic. Glukkons are greed and capitalism incarnate and they still seemed to have twice the depth of this douchebag...

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Yer, and did anyone see Avatar in 3D, it made me sick?

I don't think the 3D is really relevant here.

Okay, and that guy is more than a douche bag.

The only thing I find simular to Oddworld is that they look like Mudokons quite a lot.

Yer the ponytails, they all look like abe.

Big differences are that Abe and his buddies are actually likeable protagonists, and the Glukkons are interesting antagonists. Everyone in Avatar was either a near-spotless Mary Sue or a 1 dimentional strawman.

Please God be joking. The Na'vi and Abe look nothing alike. Just because they are blue and have a pony tail, dosen't make them similar. By that logic, if I choke somebody with a ponytail and they go blue, I am infact not choking a guy with a ponytail, I am giving a Mud a friendly neck hug.

The trees were green. Anyone else notice that?

Red Roses, too.

Cameron and Lorne both created wonderful worlds.

And there were stars. I remember stars from Oddworld.

Saaaaay.

I think Avatar ripped off Oddworld's stars!

this reminds me of how Pirates of the caribbean cheaply ripped off many things from Monkey Island.

Actually, the industrial VS native story has been done countless times. Oddworld wasn't the first to use that element in their story, nor will Avatar be the last.

The two worlds are in fact very much alike, though. The natives are very spiritually guided and have a deep important connection to the wild animals while the industrialists are very greedy, bad and technologically very advanced. I suppose you could argue that Avatar is a blend between Dances with Wolves and Oddworld.

And yes I saw Avatar in 3D. Gave my a small headache after a while but it was pretty awesome.

OMG I LOVE THAT GUY!

What? He was like the most cliché and worst badguy ever.

He was hilarious, "You can't throw a stick around here without it landing on some sacred fern!" or "Look at all that cheddar!" the way he delivered that line lmao.

Plus it was obvious he was just greedy, not blood thirsty like the other villain in that movie or the Glukkons, he never wanted to kill any of the Navi.

Well last time I checked Oddworld had a story...

I know rite? They had pirates, and PotC had pirates!

There was also that movie Ferngully with the nature vs. industry. But I guess its to lame for this generation XD Well looking back at Ferngully, it was really cheesy. Anyways, I'm just trying to ignore the fact that Pandora looks like a blend of Felucia and Kashyyyk from Star Wars. But I never really saw Avatar completely. But I think it had some "chosen one" guy kinda like Oddworld but that's too vague of a reason for it being like Oddworld.

Glukkons aren't bloodthirsty. They're only the antagonists of the series because you're playing the game from a naturalist point of view. Another reason I think Oddworld has one up on Avatar; there is no good or evil. Both sides have (or had at one point) complex motivations that evolved into what we see in Oddworld today. Remember, it was the Mudokons' own hubris that led the Glukkons to become what they are.

The Glukkons have no problem chopping up a self aware species (as opposed to the animals they used for meat products before wanting to use Mudokons). They have no problem torturing them for tears either. From a human perspective that would be considered inhumane and I think that even if the story was told from the Glukkon's point of view, they would still be considered pretty evil. I suppose the large mix of self aware species on Oddworld makes it a pretty complex balance though.

undead pirates/ghost pirates, the female hero of the movie is the governer's daughter like in the game, davy jones' beard is alive just like lechuck's ghost form beard.... and i am too lazy to post anymore.

I really think it's stupid to compare Avatar to anything. Sure people say it ripped off Pocahontas and Dances with Wolves. But why did it "rip" off things? It didn't. It just had similarities cos all Nature vs Industry stories have the same layout. In any case most of them do.

It would be interesting to see a nature vs industry movie where the industrials are the good guys I guess.

Avatar is compared because it completely copied the basic story. Guy from side A falls in love with someone on side B and goes to help them in their fight against side A. Dances with Wolves did that, Pocahontas did that and now Avatar did it. It's not original and to be honest it's a really cliche story, no matter how fancy you make it or in what setting it takes place.

However... I'm sure they didn't go: Lets copy pocahontas!

They just wanted to make a cute, marketable story with fancy settings that will sell well. Which ended up being rather cliche. I still say it wasn't a bad story though. It's just not very original(though the art was :D The art was super eye-candy).

Yeah, but as you said, that's from a human perspective. I don't think any Glukkons (except for a select few) are innately evil. They didn't bring numerous species to the brink of extinction out of malice, it was profit. I don't even think Glukkons have the savvy or foresight to create a future business model. They just take and take from the immediate resources, completely unaware of/apathetic to the damage they're doing. If anything is evil in this whole equation, it's money itself. Like they say in the Abe's Oddysee manual; "Don't take it personally when he sells your guts for fertilizer, it's just business".

However, I understand they played up the Industrialists' nefariousness for narrative's sake. The whole "Yes! We'll chop them up!" *Dr. Evil Laugh*. I stand by that Glukkons aren't evil, and that their moral code (or lack thereof) is just screwy.

i agree, the effects in that film are mindblowing

EDIT: oops, didnt see that last post, didnt refresh the game in a while.

EDIT2: Game? forum i meant

If anyone of us had to say all the similarities and non-similarities of Oddworld and Avatar, the one would never end...

-> the main characters of both Avatar and Oddworld are not only alive, but sentient
-> both are set on a planet
-> both make use of computer-generated imagery
-> both are fictional
-> N'avi and Mudokons both have two legs and two arms
-> "Pandora" and "Oddworld" both contain the letters D, O and R
-> Pandora and Oddworld both have trees on them

You're right, the list goes on and on.

Oh my god, you're so right...

You got it right, pal! :D