Good Ol' Fashioned God Debate
 

Mod edit: This is schismed from the Ghosts thread; this is OANST's response to a post by Scrabtrapman that, while still addressing the broader theme of belief, took the thread into quite a different topic.

I don't believe in Christians.

No, really. I don't believe that about 99% of Christians actually believe in god.

Then am I an entity? Or simply an outcast in a dying trend, that's religion

Explain please.

I second that motion sir, 'splain ure self

The things that even the most well intentioned and kindest of Christians say and do on a daily basis shows that they don't really take their religion seriously. What they do take seriously is the societal norm. They confuse what is normal for their society as being what their religion says is okay. They do this because they haven't bothered reading their source material.

There is no way that if these people actually believed that they were being watched by an all knowing entity that they would live their lives the way that they do. Sex out of wedlock, smoking, drinking, cursing, cheating, conniving, lying.... You wouldn't do these things if your father was standing behind you, and you both agreed that they are wrong.

Meh, every ones going to hell according to the Bible, hell I doubt I'll get into Heaven and I try! we just get on with life.

You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not claiming that they are bad people, or that everything that I listed is wrong. I'm saying that if you really believed you were being watched, you wouldn't do them. I know you believe it on the top. But down deep, you know the truth. You know that there is no supernatural creature watching your every move. Because, again, if you thought there was, you would never do most of the things that you do. Could you masturbate while your mom was watching?

I don't and wouldn't but I don't think God literally watches over every one of us constantly, I think he turns his back because of how bad we are, not everyone but I don't like myself sometimes I am horrible.
I also think God exists although on occasion I doubt but I feel I have personal proof such as getting good grades without revising or paying attention for example.

What your doing is tailoring your idea of your religion to suit your need. If the god of your religion is real then he sees every act you perform. He is watching intently as you grip your member and shoot your semen on your belly. He sees you as you scoop his children into a kleenex and toss them into the waste basket.

But he doesn't actually give a shit. The Bible is a bunch of subjective shit built around the idea of treating people properly. It's fucking dumb.

Yes but that's like saying if you burst a spot and pus falls onto the floor, there just cells, only one cell makes it to an egg, does that mean 1 million babies die and therefore everyone who keeps the human race going is evil or a sinner? And I don't shoot cum at my partner ;)! U must get freaky!

@ MAC just because you aren't religious please don't be so dim witted as to say it's stupid, that's not even remotely clever.

Puss is not made of semen and we don't reproduce via cell multiplication.

no u confuzzle yourself, I meant that there both cells white blood cells and sperm, bursting a blood cell kills that cell

A Blood Cell is not a baby.
Really, how in the fuck did you link skin blemishes to baby killing?


Also, how is saying 'there is no God' dim witted?

I'm plenty religious. Spiritual might be more accurate, though. I was raised Catholic, but I think to strap yourself down to one belief (or Non-Belief) is reductive for a ride through life. I suppose I could say that I believe every god is real. That Yahweh and The Christian God and Allah are just some sort of omniscient pan dimensional drinking buddies is silly, but nobody can honestly say it's incorrect.

Being raised Catholic, I don't follow every word of the Bible because it's practically two thousand fucking years old. Things change, and I doubt that God ever really cared if Jews ate Bacon or people were circumcised. I think that yes, he does watch us, and yes, he doesn't want us wandering around raping and murdering, but to come down here and say "No. Spilling your seed is okay, and nothing wrong with gays, either." Would confirm our beliefs and make having faith (which is what powers him because he's also a robot powered by brain waves) unnecessary.

These debates are always so fucking stupid because everything is relative and interpretations of any religious text are totally subjective and hardcore Christians and Athiests are almost always bafflingly obnoxious.

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not making claims about what sort of person you are, and I'm not debating whether a certain act is wrong or not. Also, I don't mean this to be inflammatory in any way, though I know that it probably is. I honestly don't believe that you, or anyone that I have ever met, actually believe that god is real. I think that you think you do. I'm not calling you a liar.


I'm going to speak to Kastere's comment for a moment.
That is not what The Bible is. It is not some subjective shit built around treating people properly. It contains that occasionally, but it is a very, very small aspect of the book. However, this has become the way that it's seen. More and more, people are taking those parts of the book and running with them, leaving everything else in the dust.

Let me be clear about something. This makes me very, very happy. I am so unbelievably happy that people have negated most of this book, and latched unto the parts that make some semblance of sense in modern society. This doesn't change the fact that I don't believe that these people really believe in god, though.

I for one welcome our new pus baby overlords.

I think that Jesus be he fact or fiction was a pretty cool guy, and modern interpretations of his teachings are good rules to live by.

I'm on the fence about God and spritual stuff, although I do accept and welcome the possibility.

You're as flimsy in your spiritual beliefs as you are in your sexuality. Dick, vagina, god, no god. It's all the same to you.

Because being stubborn and inflexible in your beliefs and convictions is so very manly.

Exactly.

People are born christians through their parents ...

So as people get old enough to realise stuff for themselves they decide and realise if they belive in god ect.

Well, that was the dumbest comment so far. Anyone care to beat it?

I was born through my mummy's tummy via surgery, am I still christian?

I can beat it.

Everyone is born a Christian. Everyone. But Satan has planted certain corrupters among religious leaders so as to build up an army of hell souls to build himself a new body and be resurrected as TYRANNOSATAN HEX

Should I come in here now or...?

We have a winner!

You go right ahead mate. I on the other hand, will be staying out of this.

Ta ta.

No, you'll just turn it into a "hate havoc" thread.

Well duh.

I kinda understand what OANST is on about, I have a friend who says that she vehemently believes in God, yet she goes and rides everything and takes drugs.
I usually call her out on it which results in a pretty funny rant about how she can justify what she does through God.

And the whole "Sinners going to Hell for torture for all eternity" is complete bullshit as well. We are led to believe by the Bible that Lucifer went all high and mighty after being placed in the Garden of Eden and God rejected him because he went against God's will. This leads to the argument that Lucifer wouldn't torture you for going against God, would he not commend you on your actions and grant you whatever?

The Bible is just the first novel. A fictional story blah blah blah.

They're centering their religion on a fucking novel. Anyway, I'm off to forge a religion from Harry Potter, bai x

The Bible came before The Epic Of Gilgamesh?

Wow, that's my knowledge of history completely vanished.

Consider yourself humbled Joe.

The last paragraph you wrote assumes Satan is the ruler of hell, which he is not. I think thats what you meant to say.

Also, what do you mean by the bolded statement? Roller coasters, or she rides everyone, being a slut?

Most Christians use the excuse that as long as the repent they can do whatever they want, since Jesus died on the cross and all that. Even though the repentance the Bible talks about means that you should actually be sorry, and most people probably aren't.

I think the first one. It says quite clearly in the bible; "thou shalt not ride in big steel contraption or thou shall surely be sent to hell".

I'm totally cool with gods and spirits and beings with finite spheres of influence.

But Christian All-seeing God?

Fuck that.

Aye. But Christfags now look to Unsolved Mysteries for proof, which funnily enough, brought up two things:

1.) Huge fucking boat found wedged in a mountainous area in Turkey, it was only half of it, and the interior had bunks, stables and lots of other shit.

2.) Some millenia-old cloth that was meant to be on Jesus' face and had his face imprinted on it with blood.

I know many atheists who believe that Jesus was a real person, though his 'abilities' may have been very over-exaggerated. So, he was a fucking weirdo and the Romans crucified him since mental institutes didn't exist at the time.

Well you gotta give em the first one. Big boat in book. Big boat on mountain. Hey I can see why people believe that.

Second though... little far fetched even for religion.

T'was indeed. The gauze had a beard on it and everything.