How did the mudokon paw image come to be on the moon?
 

Just wondering.. what're your theories?! :)

My theory is that there's a thread for this type of question, beyond that I don't know and would also like to know why...

Magic.

No really, freaky voodoo shit.

At the end of the Quintology, Abe travels back in time to dynamite the paw into the moon so that the story can start in the first place. It's a stable time loop. Except, in doing so he dies. A tragic end to the series.

Wow, Max, is that just an educated guess, or do you have some evidence there? Sounds like an Odd explanation to me...

yeah does that really happen?

Yes of course it does.

These made me laugh.

I'm surprised that you guys hadn't heard that before. Once Oddworld decided that it wasn't going to make games anymore, Lorne did a big question and answer session. This is one of the things that he discussed.

The story is that Abe has to find a way to let himself know that he is the chosen one. If he hadn't seen the moon, maybe AO would not have happend.

Lorne's original explanation was that it occurred while Abe was escaping from RuptureFarms. After deciding that was a bit too deus ex machina for his taste, he decided to build the origins of the age-old Mudokon/Glukkon feud around it.

Also, are the mods generating any ideas on how to cut down on noobish ignorance? Having an FAQ doesn't work, having a Q&A doesn't work. I think we should move to re-examine my mandatory aptitude test idea.

Why bother? Noobish ignorance is the only reason to use OD at all.

True...
Then I move we go out for coffee and pie.

It's hearing things like this that make me think- the Oddworld series is different, creative, fun, etc, etc...surely OWI could get their funding from SOMEWHERE, with all the brilliant ideas they've had? Surely someone with the money or whatever could really turn things around for OWI, if they pitched the ideas to the right people? Surely?

He should go on Dragons Den

Yes, but you guys won't let us troll them in here. It sort of ruins it.

Troll all you want. I'll just infract you for it. Along with helping noobs, it's just another form of Feeling Useful.

It's been a while since I saw such an elaborate and semi believable load of rubbish like this once.

But I have to admit it made me laugh.

Yeah, Sekto Springs is good at that kind of stuff.

That's what I'm talking about! I want everywhere to be a free zone, like Welcomes and Birthdays is. I want to be the horrible person that I am with no fear of reprisal. Is that so much to ask?

Yep, keep your filth out of OD. This discussion is now closed, everybody back on topic.

I still stand by my point- with the brilliant ideas of OWI, if they could find someone with the interest and the money, then they'd be right back on track. I mean, look at us- they haven't done squat in, what, five, six years? And they STILL have a large fanbase. Surely that says something, eh? Eh? Eh?

All fifteen of us!

That sure is one big 'if'.


I mean, what do you think they've been doing the last six years other than trying to get someone to give them the money to do stuff?

Not to mention, despite having a dedicated fanbase, OWI also has a very small one.
This is it. Right here. Roughly 200 active fans, another 200 passive fans, and the rest is comprised of pre-teens that picked up the games once, joined the roster out of fleeting interest, and then moved on.

I think there's simply too few of us for an investor to look around and say "Hm, well at least there's a marketable fanbase", which is all they really care about in the end.

I don't think this forum can give a clear image of how big the fanbase is, you can't expect everyone who has purchased one of the game to be registered here. There are plenty of fans out there who don't feel the need to express their love for the games via this (or any other forum).

Something that would probably be more relevant are the sales numbers of AO and AE via digital distribution.

The same way bootmakers shaped Italy. In other words: I think it's just a coincidence, that ended up making the Mudokons think they're a "chosen people".

My theory
 

Over time, as the "Mudokon Moon" rotated while orbiting Oddworld, the Mudokons did not yet know that the hand print existed. The print might just be a coincident mountain formation on the moon or a work of the Mudokon gods. As the moon continued to rotate the hand print was revealed which made the Mudokons believe that they were the "Chosen Race". Also since the pace of astronomic orbit(and all the fancy science junk) is probably different from that of our universe, the print probably took a decently long amount of time to appear so the Mudokons did not notice it for a while.

Trivia: since the handprint made the Mudokons assume they were the "Chosen Race", it made the Glukkons stop being friends with the Mudokons. Which is why the Glukkons are such jerks to the Mudokons :3

I've just watched "Abe's Exoddus- The Movie", you know, the compilation of cutscenes from AE that OWI made and was nominated for a grammy. It was actually really good, but the interesting thing was, it used the bad ending where Abe gets executed, which supports Max's theory that OWI would like the quintology to have a tragic ending for Abe.

Grammy? You mean Oscar. Grammies are for music.

And as for 'theory', I'm insulted.

That's kind of off topic but. The reason for the tragic ending is to show whether or players can not only use their head to pass elaborate obstacles and puzzles but to test players to see if can make the right choices. Whether its leaving a Mudokon behind knowing you can save him, killing him for the shear pleasure of watching him die, or doing the right thing and trying to save him. Kind of like Resident Evil I, with its puzzles and options that can cause one of three alternate endings.Or BioShock's three alternate endings caused by the players decisions.

That's why there's a bad ending in the game, but GlukkonGluk is referring to the short film.

Okay. Umm...can someone provide a youtube link to refresh my memory? Btw almost done putting together the history section of Mudokons on the Oddworld Wiki :)

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/ca...017296b9sennHF

There you go, Abe's Exoddus: The Movie. I know why there are good and bad endings in the games, that's why it was so interesting to me that they chose to end the movie with the bad one. And according to Wikipedia, it really was a grammy that they were nominated for, bizarrely :S

Gah, beaten to the link. :P

Wikipedia is wrong. The Oddworld articles on Wikipedia are terrible.

EDIT: Just to drive the point home…

http://oddworld.com/firsttenyears/od...keyfacts.shtml (fifth point down)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_53078471/

Sorry, Max :P and rightyho, but at least that article led me to finding out about the short film, I enjoyed it despite having seen all those cutscenes before. It makes me realize, an Oddworld film really is a great idea. Not that I ever had any doubts about that :D

Was there an Abe's Oddysee movie?

Nope.

Trust me, RadicalEdward, you'd know if there was...

EDIT: Just checked out Max's links. So not only does Oddworld still have a fanbase after all these years, it is also popular with German rap groups. There's hope for us yet! ;)

K. I like some of the added scenes in the movie. I finally know where all the screenshots have been coming from now lol

EDIT: That's good to hear. I've been busy working on the Official Oddworld Wiki as an Admin :) Check it out when you can. I go by the same name as here but have a space between the two words: Radical Edward2