Abortion
 

Oh geez I've unleashed something by posting this on OWF :D

My stand on this nice little topic to all the people who want to ban it will always be, it's not your body to tell what to do with, its the persons choice to abort and not yours to make.

I have no real problem with it, but if it was me and Emily, I know we'd have a hard time deciding. That thing living in there will never be again - it deserves a chance, as if we were an unmeasurable unit of time out, it would not exist, and never would. At the same time, children are like leeches until they are old enough to support themselves, but suck up money instead of blood, and if someone isn't prepared to figure something out, then the easiest thing to do would be to get rid of it.

I could never have an abortion for two reasons:
My conscience and the fact that I'm a man.

Actually, I think I remember a discussion like this once, but I'm not sure. It may have just been one of DI's blogs. It would be interesting to see how my position has changed in a year.

you copied my thread icon.
this topic has been done too many times.

i have no real stance on it, and hope i never have to in the future. its unfortunate that some people have to consider it.

Old topic. Overdone.

I like abortion and think it should be mandatory.

KILL EVERY FETUS

NO MORE KIDS

KILL EVERY FETUS

OF CHILDREN WE'LL BE RID

I think that young girls who want to have sex and who are jinxed because their boyfriend's preservative is holed can miscarry.

Dead babiez for the yay!

Anyone telling you what you can and can't do with something growing inside of you should be shot on sight. That's my stance on it.

I agree, being parent nor adult... it's a pain in the ars!

What.



In other news, I'm still glad I don't have a vagina.

I think abortions should only be legal if the mother has permission from a doctor because giving birth may medically affect her.

If pregnant women do not want to be a parent she could simply put her baby up for adoption.

Not as easy as that. What if she grows attached to the baby? It has happened.

There's the physical and emotional toll of carrying and giving birth to the child as well. Plus, adoption doesn't necessarily mean it will find a family.

I'm glad I do :p

And I also believe too that adoption is not a good excuse to ban abortion. I'm just getting sick of people thinking they have the right to control what other people should or shouldn't do, gay marriage, abortion, etc.

I have nothing against abortion.

However, if abortion suddenly becomes this massive trend where EVERYONE is doing it, I might have a few objections.

There is NEVER a good enough reason for an abortion under normal circumstances, in my opinion these people knew the chances when they had sex and are killing a growing life inside them simply for their own luxuries to continue.

That being said, abortion should be legal. Regardless of how moralistically vehement I find it.

I'm assuming "The baby is going to die within two weeks of being born" is an abnormal circumstance.

I would hope so :p.

Morals aside, what about the issue of women's choice?

Alcar...

I don't care if you think the baby inside is a mass of cells or a living being all I care about is keeping it the persons own choice to abort or not. Nobody else should be allowed to make that choice for them because they find it morally wrong.

It's not as if we need more humans on the planet right now anyway.... :o

My gut response to that is that she chose to have sex, however this is the reason I argue for its legality,
Obviously not, but can you justify murdering a potential human being for your personal freedom?
True, but that's hardly ethically the point.

SUCK EM OUT
MASH EM UP
ABORTION
ABORTION
PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE
SOCIAL PARIAH
ABORTION
ABORTION

This thread needs to be aborted.

A subject like this is touchy because people typically react with their emotions YOU MURDERERS or with cold clinical unfeeling analysis "It's the woman's fault". This issue BEGS for anything but polarized points of view!

There is no one answer that will solve this, and as long as folks are looking for that 'one answer' the argument will never end.

I've never met anyone in this situation, so I don't feel like I can meaningfully contribute.

I feel rather uncomfortable concept of abortion, particularly after the first trimester, when the fetus is already looks like a baby and can move on its own accord. In a perfect world, contraceptives would be 100% effective and people would be well-educated in their use. Since we don't live in a perfect world, we need abortion as the last chance Plan B.

I loathe pro-lifers, not because of their views but because they're trying to force their religion on everyone else. It's no different to if I lobbied the government to criminalise non-kosher food or forced women to wear hijabs.

Kosher food is good.

The way I see it is Potential Life = Life. The only difference is time.

I'm tending to align with this. There has to be a compromise.

I believe New South Wales has it fairly right in the way of law. We allow abortions up until the 18-20th week of pregnancy, and they can be clandestinely arranged directly through clinics.

I am a staunch supporter of a woman's choice to abort - based on the stage of development present in the fetus, as the charge of murder must be a viable law at some stage. Obviously this is a matter of contention between many, many different parties.

Alcar...

Victoria recently legalised it up to 22 weeks, which I feel is way too far. Babies have survived being born at 24 weeks (with intensive care, admittedly). I figure there's a certain point at which any woman must be aware she's pregnant, is beginning to look pregnant and has had some time to think about it and up to that point, it should be legal. I don't know exactly what point that is, but it's well before the halfway point of pregnancy (which is 20 weeks).

WoF is the only person here who is talking sense. Why should a growing life be terminated just because the mother/father was lazy with contraception? A fetus can feel and think after only a couple of weeks after conception.

It sucks because in Queensland abortions are covered by Medicare (government health insurance) so basically you can destroy a baby whenever you want for free.

Because it's not the government's right to decide whether it's right or not.

ABORTION
ABORTION

I'm with Anonyman. In a situation so personal and sensitive, it should be no one's right but the mother to decide what to do.

People who feel they need an abortion but don't fit into the neatly pre-approved list of reasons to have one, most likely compiled by someone who has never been in that situation, will most likely have an abortion illegally anyway in an entirely dangerous manner.

I've always been curious why people think the bulk of people who have abortions do so lightly. Its typically an agonizing decision that forever has repercussions on the woman's psyche but people do what they think is best. No one sets out to have abortions because they want to kill babies.

Its a sensitive issue, and as others have said it cannot be solved as easily as a "yes or no". Its complicated and each situation is unique. To lump everyone together in generalized categories is ignorant and only clouds the issue further.

Yes, you can do it whenever you want, up until 22 weeks, when you can't.

And, in case you've missed it, WoF has also stated that, despite his moral opposition, he believes that abortions should be legal.




Also, ArtemisPanthar has said pretty much what I wanted to say, but better than I could have. Everyone I've met (which is not a large number) or seen on tv (many more) who has had an abortion has agonised about it and, in many cases, regretted it. And yet most of them still agree that it should be a legal option for women in their situation.

The mother's life and well-being (emotionally, physically, etc) always comes before that of her unborn child. While stupidity shouldn't be rewarded with easy get-out-of-jail-free fixes - I wouldn't want to be the child born only out of fear of judicial repercussions.

As males, in the grand scheme of things, we shouldn't have any bearing on legislation relating to abortion. We are eternally biased, despite whatever empathy we may feign.

Alcar...

Hey! Who changed the name!

I changed the name because I thought it was a horrible name for a serious thread.

Alcar: How do you feel about cases where the man wants the woman to abort and she disagrees? Given that he has legal obligations as biological father that he may not wish - or be able - to perform, does he not have any rights?



Also, as an interesting Religion 101, Catholicism always puts the right of the child over and above the right of the mother. Thus, the only time they ever allow abortion is if it's strongly likely that both the mother and the child are going to die from complications in the pregnancy. If the mother might die in childbirth, but still produce a living child, abortion is not allowed.

Judaism still bans abortions but if the mother's life is at risk, they are allowed. I suspect that there are some rabbis who would allow it for psychological reasons as well, but I haven't looked in to that in depth.

I've thought about this before and there is no easy conclusion. At first I thought that if one parent wanted to abort the child should be born and the parent who wants the abortion gets out of child support. But then people would just use that as an excuse so instead it is up to judges to make the decision.

The father is always fucked in those situations. In fact, my best friend is in that situation right now. Long story short, love apparently blinded him from the huge backstabbing bitch that she really was and now (I think) she stopped using anti conception to keep him with her. She refused to abort and now she's 8 months pregnant.

He's being a sport about it and is trying his best to cope, but I hate the bitch for doing this to him. I'm sure he'll be a good father. I'm also sure she will be a very bad mother.

It's fucked up that the rules concerning abortion and/or mom/dad lawsuits always favor the mother. It should be looked at on a case by case basis.

Oh yes, I'd staunchly oppose any government that tried to bring it in, firstly on principle, but secondly because I believe just as vehemently that it's the job of the mother to recognize this as an inherently wrong action.

I wouldn't accuse or pariah anyone if they did this either, the most I'd be is faintly disappointed.