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http://www.virginmedia.com/digital/news/time-tunnel.php

I think scince should be stopped before they kill this entire solar system with something that could create a black hole -_-

Insane.

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I cant read :/

Don't you just love it when they say that?

That's kind of the point of experimentation.

Usually the collapse of the earth into a black hole isn't on the list of side effects though.

With the stakes this high I say they need more time to research the theory.

NU! NOT AGAIN! IT BURNSSSSS.

These are black holes with event horizons so minute that the chance of them ever intercepting in their lifetime even a single jot of matter is extremely diddy. Such black holes are theorized to be littered everywhere, floating through us as we speak.

Edited because I’m in backwards land.

I wonder what would happen if I set it on fire.

You would be billed.

Emphasis on the 'they' - this is just ignorant journalists spouting their opinions, as always. The scientists know, theoretically speaking, what they expect to get out of the collider.

Besides, I read somewhere that if this thing does destroy the universe, it will happen so quickly that we won't even realise we're dead.

Before or after Space Itself catches on fire?

Ahh, whatever.

All you need to rip a hole in the universe is a Really Big Drill.

Being put that way, it's quite reassuring. And how typical would it be: "What? Lottery record and it's all my..." *disappears along with universe*

I guarantee you that we will all still be here at the conclusion of this experiment.

And if I'm wrong, no one will be pointing out the fact, rendering my ego relatively unbruised.

I think that one of the side affects could be creating another universe, mainly becuase hitting particles together 1 mile below the speed of light is theroized to have created the big bang

Says who? I've not heard that one before.

A mile below the speed of light? Are you trying to set up a pun for later? Something like ‘the deep c’?

Then I guess I'm gonna get a chance to talk to my future self soon...

Kidding aside, how do you suppose time travel could be done? Put all the SF aside and think a bit...

I'm not a fan of common sense, but it says the same thing...

sorry for my earlier psot.. i was talking a friend of mine who told me about this and it scrambled my mind.

sorry for saying that

I'll believe it when I see it.

It being Stargate.

Huzzah. I had the chance to visit CERN with my former study-mates, but I turned it down.

I'm very interested in the whole project though, since I'm a bit of a science-head myself :P.

We really don't know enough about time and it's operations yet exactly. But one point being is that if we do invent a time machine, it won't be coming into the past, or if it does it'll be very careful. Because then if it ever did come back to our time period, we'd know about it now.

Despite our array of knowledge, we still know very little about the operations of the universe and many such things. We're only simple creatures really, and we still (unless global warming ruins everything) got plenty of time to learn more.

Hell, if they destroy the world, it gives me a chance to live out all my Post-Apocalyptic fiction fantasies. Which would be awesome. Kinda looking forward to Nuclear War but this mixes things up a bit.

i better get my leather jacket and buy a massive cyberpunk bike

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ON TOPIC GUYZLOL

i dont beleive it! i post a comment on the link at the top with the official story (MA), and all i type is 'i forsee another 'Doom' scenario approaching...', and once i posted it i realise ive made a typo. cant edit. bollocks.

This thread promised so much, and only delivered a potential apocalypse.

There is nothing to fear...

How can they say they invented a time machine when the entire theory of time travel has been pretty much debunked multiple times in history. And even IF it's possible it's something we should never ever EVER mess with.

Ugh, there are several outcomes predicted by several theories, and the experiment is intended to find out which one is right. Throw in a bit of media journalism, which is utterly unable to represent science correctly under any circumstance, and you get stories about a crazy experiment that will cause time travelling futurekind to come and destroy the universe.

Bon appetite, suckas.

Frankly, I don't think time travel ever will be possible because it doesn't exactly exist in our physical world. The only thing that represents time is the one human-made machine... clock. But that's just my point of view.

Er, time does exist. The clock is simply the tool we use to measure it.

That's like suggesting that heat does not exist, just the thermometer. Or that chlorophyll does not exist, just the fluorometer. Time is a dimension, so it cannot have a physical presence. Neither do the other dimensions. Are you also going to suggest that length, width and height do not exist, only the tape measure?

If there were no time, nothing would change. Nothing would move. All would be frozen in a single moment.

i think he means that time is something we have created, therefore how do we know that it actually exists.

SIMPLIFICATION: if aliens came to earth, and we asked them how long it took them to get here, or how old they were, would they know what we meant? if time truly exists, surely other intelligent lifeforms equal or better than us would know of it also. we'll have to wait for one to pop down to us before we're certain.

if it is real, it may be just our world or minds that perceive it, seeing as it dominates our race as a whole, keeping things 'on time' is how we move 'forward' in time, 'progress', ultimately keep us classed as intelligent beings (can you imagine no time? exactly).

maybe we've enslaved ourselves with time, afterall, Humans can only understand so much. WOOOO!

No. What I am saying is that without time, things would not progress. Nothing would change at all. Total halt. Except you can't even imagine what that would be like, because you imagine it like pausing a video, where you are an external observer still subject to time. Without time there is not even a timeline. If things are changing, moving, flowing, there must be at least one dimension of time through which three-dimensional space is moving.

The thing I meant was that everything just follows it's life cycle... thing... something like that, while time isn't exactly in the physical world. You can feel the temperature when it's hot or cold, while on the other hand, when you get old you just feel your cells dying, not time itself.

So I'm not the only one who thinks so... :p

what actually is time then? you cant see it under a microscope, you cant feel it, you obviously cant see it, why is it not possible that time is something that we have created ourselves?

you said yourself: these are actually things humans have created to help them, its just that all this stuff was done so early in time (ironic), and so subtly, that we haven't even noticed. time was obviously not invented, time was not discovered (due to the theory that its all around us and is us, and has been so since the BEGINNING OF TIME, therefore would be hard not to notice), this means that we can only measure time (like Height, Width, etc).

i think we're getting confused with the neccessities of something that exists. measurements do not actually exist, just the ruler and tape measure. same goes for time. also, if time does exist, and is not something created by man or maybe animals, whats jetlag all about? if it really does exist and is a natural source, then it shouldnt fault (lags, jumps ahead, putting clocks backwords and forwards, travelling into future/past). seasons exist and are natural, but if i close my eyes, hold my nose, and say "beejillywhizz" during summer, it doesn't suddenly skip to winter (or more 'turn' into winter).

therefore the measurement we use to 'measure' time is unreliable, meaning we do not fully understand time and cannot measure it correctly, which then begs the question: does it even soddin' exist?!?

there will be no resolve to this conundrum 'till a being not from this planet/dimension, of level or better intelligence than our own, turns up and says "yeah, its 5 o'clock back home", showing its acknowledgement of time.
time is the limit of our intelligence, breaking that limit is impossible (which may sound ignorant).

Okay, read my words carefully, because somewhere along the lines their meaning is being lost on you.

Time is a dimension. There are three dimensions of space through which we can freely move through (I'm not going to touch any of the others at this point). We know they exist: they are fundamental properties of the universe. You can't see them under a microscope any more than you can see the United States of America under a microscope. Each dimension is a right angles to each other, length, width and height. Take away one, and we end up in a two dimensional universe, the sort that you could represent on paper. A digestive tract could not exist in a two-dimensional organism because the tube from mouth to anus would bisect it in two.

Time is a fourth dimension, and it behaves differently to the others. Like the others, it is at right angles to the rest. Like the others, it has only two directions, forwards and backwards. Unlike the others, it is particularly entwined with something called causality, and we can only move along it in one direction, as if you has started your life at a great height and ended it at the bottom- there is no going backwards. You can imagine your life as a four-dimensional sausage, you foetal self at one end and your deceased self at the other.

Time exists. Clocks and other timepieces are tools used to measure our position and movement along the dimension. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. Time has elapsed with or without clocks to measure it. We did not invent time with the first clocks. If we had, we would have no history before that moment, because that would have been the beginning of time and therefore the universe. Reductio ad absurdum.

Hell, people kept track of time thousands of years before clocks and other tools were invented. They used the sun and the moon, whose passage across the sky and phases are relatively constant at the timescale human beings live their lives in.

Time is one of the few fundamental quantities in physics. Velocity, speed, momentum, acceleration and more, all require time to be a real, fundamental aspect of the universe. If time is nothing but a human invention, so too are these. And yet, this would imply that before we invented time the universe was in chaos: planets, stars, comets, galaxies and everything did not have momentum, would not have speed, nor velocity, they could not speed up or slow down. In such a universe, life would never have arrived to invent time. Not least because nothing could change, as I already explained, everything would be at an eternal standstill, where "eternal" refers to the only moment in existence. Reductio ad absurdum again.


Also, measurements do exist. In quantum physics the nature of the universe is altered by the act of measurement.

I love Physics... Makes me wanna shag a telescope...

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