Religion of Peace Strikes Again in MY home country!
 

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To quote the Bible;
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:20

I think we can all agree the tree of Islam is a rotten one. Be we atheist, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, agnostic, Wiccan, Asatru, or Pastafarian, we can all agree... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Why doesn't this suprise me? Because it's the usual mumbo-jumbo that happens all around! The world is getting all-out crappy because of religion and people are gonna swim in all that shit once the moment comes. And I won't be there because I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING! Actually most of us didn't do anything! But we have to take shit from people like these!

I'm yet to see any proof that this is Islamic Terrorism. Given that the only people involved were apparently Asian, this could just be the Aum Sect. Or maybe the IRA have loosened their entry requirements.

It'd be quite funny if these 2 people weren't part of the carbomb thing and they were like "WTF? That was OUR idea! Screw it. Get the jeep and we'll drive it into an airport."

Infact, the whole thing was sort of humorous, considering they failed at their task, got set on fire because of it, and got arrested.

I have to say, I'm in quite a bind with the situation of things. I also saw something on the news about Muslim groups imposing their will in London or something. It's these kinds of actions that will make me prejudiced against the muslims. Do you know if there were any casualties?

Anyway, my heart goes out to you and your country and their perseverance through all of the attacks throughout the past few years.

Whatever happened to white Americans always being the bad guys?

He was on fire, that made me laugh for 10 minutes.



And then i found out he was a terrorist.

That is a true story.

How dare you try to belittle Islam due to terrorist attacks.
Why not blame Christianity for all acts of pedophilia.

Did you read my post? There are Muslims groups in London insisting that Catholics follow Sharia. When you're the immigrant, you generally shouldn't try and make the country that let you in bow down to your culture.

I'm not saying that all Muslims are bad, I lived next to a family of Muslims during my childhood, but in any religion or organization in general, there will be the bad apples.

OH IT'S PERFECTLY OKAY TO HAVE A GO AT CHRISTIANS DUE TO THE HABBITS OF THE EXTREMESTS, BUT HEAVEN FORBID WE HAVE A GO AT MUSLIMS BECAUSE OF THEIR EXTREMESTS. >_>

Because Islam is a violent cult that quite frankly even an atheist, if he saw it's history, would describe as satanic. 100 million Hindu's and Buddhist's killed in the Hindu Holocaust. That's equal to Mao, twice as many as Stalin, and 5 times as many as Hitler. It's leader was a pedophile according to it's own scriptures (if marrying a 6 year old and raping her at 9 isn't pedophilia, I don't know what is). Read my signature. How many Christian terrorists attacks can you name in the last 6 years since 9/11? Do Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and James Dobson call for mass murder of non Christians? Do you see Ned Flanders-types flying planes into buildings? Does the 700 Club or other fundie programme feature programs where children are asked if they hate atheists or gays?

Islamophobia is rational. It's like Satanophobia, evilophobia, pedophiliaphobia, naziphobia. It's a rational fear against evil.

Oh, come on! You just blame Patrick's religion cause he's a Christian. Every religion is just religion! It's the people that follow that religion and do shit that gives it such a bad name!

/me sighs at the generaly stupidity of the population.

Venks wasn't saying anything negative about Christianity. He was saying that criticising all of Islam because of a few bad eggs is just as ridiculous as if you would criticise all of Christianity because of their bad eggs.

Ok, ok, I think I got the post wrong...

So what's with people blaming religions anyway? No religion is perfect, so nobody should flame any other.

From what I understand, you go into heaven if you die while killing infidels, sounds pretty violent to me. Ofcourse, I could of been mis taught.

Few bad eggs my ass.
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Islam is not a cult (unlike a certain group that believes in things called theatens and Xenu), and there's no reason to blame all muslims for bombings because of a minority. It's like grouping all Christians together as complete and utter nutjobs who protests the smallest things just because of a minority.

And no Daxter, even if you're muslim and if you blow yourself up , you will still go to Hell for cheating God's test and murdering innocent people. It's just the exemests think they'll get into heaven for being terrorists because they're mentally unstable and don't look at their holy book properly.

Racist = you

Islam is not a race. Name calling may be fine in the sandpit , but it's not in grown up speak.

Stupid=You. See, I can play kindy games too.

Patrick, take a moment to examine the world around you from outside of your owl fishbowl. Some terrible things have been done in the name of Islam (and in the name of everything else ever conceived) and yet there are still devout believers who stand against all that, and have to defend their religion against the terrorists and war criminals who shame them, and those like you who paint them all with the same brush because of them. Ask yourself- why do they do that?

It's because they believe that there is something worth defending in their faith. Please, please please, for a nonspecific deity's sake, try looking at it from an angle other than your own. Examine the beauty in it, what is good, rather than simply condemning it.

To view the world in black and white is as bad a philosophy as that which you see in that black.

Lol whole thing BS and stupid and pintless morinicity etc. etc.

YOU PHAIL. Christians are fairly normal. Catholics are the extremist 'Gays must burn, Muslims should be shot' etc. etc. retards. Catholic isn't even a religion, it's just the Christians who are f*cktards and make up pointless c*ap to explain about etc. etc.

"Patrick, take a moment to examine the world around you from outside of your owl fishbowl. Some terrible things have been done in the name of Islam (and in the name of everything else ever conceived)"
Tell me when Christians start flying planes into buildings, sparky, and then we'll talk. Your "owl fishbowl" is pure projecting. You're the one who's been feed bullshit by the dhimmedia about Islam being a religion of peace and tolerance and love and all the nasty extremists stirred up by the evil West (the culture which gave you and me the Oddworld games, human rights, freedom of speech, and virtually all cultural advancements since 1800.
"and yet there are still devout believers who stand against all that, and have to defend their religion against the terrorists and war criminals who shame them, and those like you who paint them all with the same brush because of them."
BOOHOO! I'M A BIG MEANIE BRUSH MAN! WAAAA!
(http://www.spectator.co.uk/article_pfv.php?id=6421)
"Ask yourself- why do they do that?"
Because they feel embarrased that their faith and a significant minority to large majority are totally batshit nuts.

"It's because they believe that there is something worth defending in their faith. Please, please please, for a nonspecific deity's sake, try looking at it from an angle other than your own. Examine the beauty in it, what is good, rather than simply condemning it."
I suppose I should look at the beauty of NAMBA too? The beauty of the Church of Satan? Virtually all good in Islam was lifted from other religions.

"To view the world in black and white is as bad a philosophy as that which you see in that black."
Asking a religious believer to not see things in black and white is like asking a smoker to stop smoking.

Also, Zerox, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jack Chick, infanticide clinic bombers, Fred Phelps, James Dobson, Jim Robinson (Freerepublic guy) are all Protestants. Mother Theresa, St Augustine, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, are all Catholics. Catholics do not believe gays must burn or Muslims should be shot. That's a total strawman.

You mean it would be a healthier option that could extend their life?

OK, poor choice of analogy. It's like asking an atheist to believe in absolute morality.

I'm an atheist and I wouldn't describe them as satanic even upon knowing their history.

No. Try to look for the beauty of Islam as asked before.
All good from Islam was lifted from other religions? How so?
I might be doing the same good things as my neighbor, but that doesn't mean I copied him.

Oh yea by the way... *coughcough*CRUSADES*coughcough*

http://lex-luthor.ytmnd.com/

Explain to me the difference between NAMBLA, the Church of Satan, and Islam. Looking at the "good" in it doesn't eliminate the fact it's founder was a pedophile, it's fictional god a self described deceiver, and it's texts are 3 times more violent than the Bible. It also has a history far more violent than Christianity or Judaism's.
THE CRUSADES WERE DEFENSIVE;
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...D=17893%20

This is why all religion should be abolished. Even though it has it's good points, people abuse it and in the end it causes this sort of shit to happen. All for something that may not even be true.

Indeed, it looks like Patrick's gonna set off a Vykkerade against all muslims...
Lemme just tell you something in your face:"RELIGION IS MADE UP BY HUMANS!"
That should teach him...
Nah, I'm just using this to provoke you and see your reaction...

Ugh, this has turned into what the cynical part of me thought it would. I don't mean to flip sides so suddenly, but Patrick, have you ever been in the same environment of Muslims for an extended time at all in your life?

Yup, same goes for politics, philosophy, or any other kind of method for life. Let's abolish them too.


Oh, and would people please stop putting in these little size 2 ending lines in their posts? It's rather annoying.

World Wars 1 and 2, and many other wars were NOT caused by religion, just conflict of opinions. Also, may I direct you to South Park episodes "Red Hot Catholic Love", "Go God Go", "Go God Go XII", and "All About the Mormons?"

Also, may I ask those arguing about religion in general to shut the f*ck up? No religion brings out a bad side, it's the upbringing of said person that causes them to act violently. The BNP don't really have a religion, and look at them. It's like Jack Thompson blaming GTA for the Columbine shootings. The item being blamed is merely an excuse when it shouldn't be.

You deny the most violent religion in the world has inspired the vast majority of international terrorists, who claim it as their faith and practice it consistenly in accordance with tradition and history?

The god of Islam is the same as Christianity and Judaism, saying their god is fictional would mean that you deny the existence of God.
I didn't realize you were a fellow Atheist! Put it there! (Sarcasm everywhere)

http://www.letusreason.org/Islam20.htm
A fundie source, but in this case it sources from reliable scripture.

Also, YHVH is not the only deity you can worship. You can also worship Ra, Anubis, Thor, Set, Satan, Baal, Belial, Baphomet, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or the deist God.

That doesn't mean the religion is bad. That means people pervert it.

Patrick, Remember the Troubles in the latter half of the Twentieth Century? If I were to say now that all Irish people, and by extension, all those who share their Catholic Christian faith, are therefore violent monsters who want to kill all British people, what would you call me? "Moronic" comes to mind. "Uninformed". "One-sided". "Bigoted". "Foolish". "Hateful". "Racist". "Deranged". These are the more polite of them. Of course there is more than one side to the Troubles, and crimes were committed by both sides.

Now, let's look at another example. A people to whom defeat was synonymous with death, surrender was not an option and who ruthlessly marched across the globe as far as they could reach in their fanatical devotion to their "infallible" leader.

Some of these people had left their home country and settled in the United States of America, living there for years. But when their relatives invaded neighbouring countries and attacked US soil, these peaceful American citizens were rounded up and sent into camps, their homes sold and rights forgotten. I'm sure you'll agree with the then US government that this was clearly the correct course of action to contain these descendants of an evidently dangerous nation and war philosophy, but personally I would have given these sons and daughters of late-Feudal Japan the benefit of the doubt.

You, sir, repeat the mistakes of the past. But it's okay! these are a different people, different time! It's okay that you make these age-old errors again, because they aren't black, Japanese, Jewish, Native American, Indian, Incan, Aztec or other previously oppressed race, nationality or faith. You have chosen a new target for a new time, and you have the perfect excuse. As we all know, the actions of the few reflect the intent of them all.

So go ahead, Patrick, vent your pent-up hate. We could all stand more of it all over our forums, we just can't get enough of it. If they can hate us irrationally, we are perfectly within our rights to do the same and remain the bigger man, right? After all, two wrongs squared divided by the cube root of ignorance make a right. Don't they? I was never any good at mathbigotry.

I'm actually glad you've started this thread, because I was going to start an all-round ISLAM thread, with that title, simply for your benefit, Pat.

Now, I'm not as foolish as you may think. I am not a massive fan of Islam, in the sense that it is, in comparison to all other main religions, an aggressive one, quite literally. The tone of Islam is quite, quite different to, for instance, Christianity, far more incisive, far less passive. It is a religion designed to go out there and get you. There's a reason they're called Islamic Fundamentalists - they follow the fundamentals of their religion, and take them at face value. And see what you get: burning buildings, dead people, oppression.

This is a fact. Pat is right in saying this, but as most of us has realised, he's also severely deluded if he thinks that this is how Islam works in the mundane, humdrum lives of Western Muslims. Of course, there will always be the few who do become 'enlisted' to the fundamentalist cause, but the vast majority are just humble folk, living out their lives as we would.

This is a fact. An out-and-out hatred of Islam ignores how it functions here, in our society, and as such can only be treated as bigoted idiocy.

And I've just made the only necessary post of this thread. :)

Mutual Friend, you are aware that you as a bisexual under Islam would receive unimaginably severe punishment? And that this punishment is actively carried out in Islamic countries, such as the hanging of gay teenagers?

*SOAPBOX ALERT*
Are any of you, liberals, conservatives, or my fellow libertarians, aware of what Islam poses to all of your ideal societies? Islam treats women like dirt (contrary to revisionist BBPC bullshit), opposes freedom of speech, and approves of pedophilia. Islam opposess Judaism and Christianity, making them live under second class states, organizes wild prostitution, and bans alcohol. Islam would kill Larry Flynt, execute Penn & Teller, and killed Pim Fortuyn.

Islam is the enemy. Islam is the new Naziism, Islam must be destroyed.

Bullet Magnet, there are absolutely no words as to what I think of your analogy, just how goddamn STUPID a comparison that is. You would compare Irish fighters for land who rarely attacked civilians to a mass murdering fundamentalist pedophilic child murdering civilian killing Jew hating homophobic intolerant cult?

GUESS WHAT. TERRORISTS KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE ON 9/11. TERRORISTS KILLED INNOCENT CHILDREN IN BESLAN. TERRORISTS KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE ON 7/7. TERRORISTS KILL INNOCENT ISRAELI WOMEN AND CHILDREN EVERY DAY! TERRORISTS USE 2 YEAR OLDS AS SUICIDE BOMBERS, TEACH THEIR CHILDREN TO HATE. GOT THAT?

Israel and the US do not aim to kill children. The WW2 bombers did not aim to kill children. The IRA did not aim to kill children. The Islamic monsters did, and crossed a boundary of virtually every culture.

Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.

Where do you get this "a few Muslims" anyway? You treat it like some kind of established fact, when you haven't provided jack in evidence for it.

I'm not bisexual. I'm thoroughly gay. But, yeah, your point still stands, and I'm well aware that Islam is, at its root, an oppressive, 'evil' (you know what I mean) religion. As I said!

Libertarian? Fuck. Right. Off.

Anyway, you still haven't addressed what I've actually said. I think you'll find we're very probably in agreement on this issue - only you're talking about it from one side of it, ignoring the other.

I get it from common sense and personal experience. You give me evidence that the Muslims of Britain are secretly spreading their black tendrils through society, waiting for their moment to obliterate our values and freedoms. And I don't mean how we accept Islam in this country, I mean the proper fundamentalist-subscribers.

PV: The main issue people seem to be having is you ascribing qualities to an entire religion when anyone who has actually met a moderate Muslim person knows that that is just not true. I'm speaking here as a Jew who has met several Turkish Muslim people through various interfaith gatherings.

MF: I think I love you.

People don't make the religion. There could be nice Satanists, nice Scientologists. That doesn't change the fact the religion is evil.

Ever heard of taqiyya? http://jihadwatch.org/archives/004628.php

What's wrong with libertarians? We just don't like government interference, be it in the lives of businessmen or gay folks.

Muslims are not all, fully bad. Islam is evil. There are good Muslims, but they are not following their faith. If you disagree, ask any Imam or Ayatollah. They are people infected with a terrible, evil disease called Islam.

Aaaaaand Patrick is racist, how confusing.