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Icarus 12-19-2005 01:08 PM

Strangers wrath
 
I dont know about you people but i did not think Strangers Wrath wasn't much of an oddworld game. I have every oddworld game, but this was just a disapointment, my question is...

1) Does any body have Strangers Wrath?

2) Did anybody like it?

used:) 12-19-2005 01:12 PM

I may not have it, but i have seen enough to definatley classify it as one of OWI's best creations. I do not understand why you didn't like I it. I admit the setting was a bit cliche, but with all of the smaller things below that, it was built into an extraordinary game. I thought the voices were amazing and I liked the landscapes considerably more than MO.

I hope you're ready for a scolding.

Leto 12-19-2005 01:20 PM

Many have it, and everybody loves it. I'm assuming you haven't finished the game.

Icarus 12-19-2005 01:34 PM

Belive me man, i've finished it

Kimon 12-19-2005 01:37 PM

I actually thought this was the best Oddworld game by far. WAY better than any of the others as far as gameplay is concerned.

But yeah. I liked it a lot, it had a lot of atmosphere. It wasn't very "Abe", but it was most definetly very "Oddworld." Why didn't you like it?

Dark Elite_H2 12-19-2005 01:41 PM

Hell, I have Stranger's Wrath, and I thought it was the best out'a all of them. (Well, I can't SAY that because I haven't played the Abe's Oddysee and Exxodus games, so I say it's the best to my spectrum) Hell, I love it so much, I continue to play it, and uncover new secrets, and just ter beat the shit out'a them damn outlaws! ^.^

Leto 12-19-2005 01:41 PM

Indeed, it redeems the Oddworld series.

You just need to have an open mind for a 2D to 3D switch. Stop living in the past.

Icarus 12-19-2005 01:50 PM

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Indeed, it redeems the Oddworld series.

You just need to have an open mind for a 2D to 3D switch. Stop living in the past.

Just so you know, i have munches oddysee, and it was 3D, it is not like i am switching just suddenly

used:) 12-19-2005 01:52 PM

He is saying you are not a fan of 3D Oddworld games and that you cling to the 2D games of AO and AE.

Leto 12-19-2005 01:53 PM

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Just so you know, munches oddysee was 3D, it is not like i am switching.
I know, infidel, but you love for Abe has clouded your vision for new things.

Posting this in a pro-Oddworld forum probably wasn't the wisest move, Dorothy.

metroixer 12-19-2005 01:54 PM

Wow....>.>

Well first off all I love this game. Sure Abe's Exoduss is way better IMHO, but still. It was still odd. That's what makes oddworld right? Okay so there aren't any sligs,farts,glukkons, and whatnot but still! This game still had that special feeling. Good thing they kept the comedy ;).

Cullen Heath 12-19-2005 01:56 PM

Have it! Love it!
BUT..........it for sure is NOT the best Oddworld game! I was furious when I finished it and there was no Abe to be found. After finishing it a lot I like it more than I used to though.

Leto 12-19-2005 02:00 PM

You all need to realise that OWI aren't one to be a one-trip-pony. They try to branch out of just having one franchise.

Open your minds, people.

used:) 12-19-2005 02:01 PM

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Have it! Love it!
BUT..........it for sure is NOT the best Oddworld game! I was furious when I finished it and there was no Abe to be found. After finishing it a lot I like it more than I used to though.

Sure is? You make it sound like you haven't considered that it may be the BEST oddworld game. Oddworld isn't about Abe, and in my opinion he is one of the lousiest characters in the game (persona wise). In my opinion, oddworld is about viewing the widescope of things, of all differences and such. Including Stranger.

Listen to leto, he knows what the shit he's talking about here.

metroixer 12-19-2005 02:01 PM

Prepare to be destroyed by SM and Used cullen >.>.

Kimon 12-19-2005 02:10 PM

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Have it! Love it!
BUT..........it for sure is NOT the best Oddworld game! I was furious when I finished it and there was no Abe to be found. After finishing it a lot I like it more than I used to though.

Dude... Abe is just one character. On one small place. On one continent. On a world that is ten times bigger than Earth. Abe was the first Oddworld character, so he's obviously special, but Oddworld doesn't depend on Abe.

So yeah. Open yo danged mind.

Dave 12-19-2005 02:11 PM

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In my opinion, oddworld is about viewing the widescope of things, of all differences and such.

I agree wholeheartedly.
Icarus, if you didn't think Stranger was up to par with AO/AE and MO, tell us why. What made it so bad?
Was it the shoot-em-up style that turned you off from it? Keep in mind, it isn't a part of the Quintology. If you were more into the first three games, wait around a while. Nobody knows much about future Oddworld games, but they will likely return to Abe and Munch style puzzle-solvers.
Was it the characters? Don't be single-minded. Oddworld is a huge place. There aren't going to be the same old mudokons and glukkons everywhere.
Or could it have been the plot twist? Avoiding the use of spoilers, I think that the twist made the game that much easier to connect with and it made me sympathize with Stranger more.
So while SW is a complete overhaul and total change-up from what Oddworld has already presented us, it isn't fair to write it off as a bad Oddworld game.

EDIT: And Kimon is right, too.

Cullen Heath 12-19-2005 02:20 PM

Well I agree with Icarus, I did'nt like it as much as the first 3 games, but it WAS still very good.

Icarus 12-19-2005 02:21 PM

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I agree wholeheartedly.
Icarus, if you didn't think Stranger was up to par with AO/AE and MO, tell us why. What made it so bad?
Was it the shoot-em-up style that turned you off from it? Keep in mind, it isn't a part of the Quintology. If you were more into the first three games, wait around a while. Nobody knows much about future Oddworld games, but they will likely return to Abe and Munch style puzzle-solvers.
Was it the characters? Don't be single-minded. Oddworld is a huge place. There aren't going to be the same old mudokons and glukkons everywhere.
Or could it have been the plot twist? Avoiding the use of spoilers, I think that the twist made the game that much easier to connect with and it made me sympathize with Stranger more.
So while SW is a complete overhaul and total change-up from what Oddworld has already presented us, it isn't fair to write it off as a bad Oddworld game.

EDIT: And Kimon is right, too.


u know what you are right, it was abe man. 3 games with him and you change it? come on! besides shouldn't there have been "Oddworld Munches exoddus? where is it? i dont see it.
What i'm trying to say is, i liked it the way it was, A clumsy kinda guy saving lives, funny and cool.

EDIT: thanx cullen, tell them the truth

used:) 12-19-2005 02:27 PM

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SCREW you used!
I think YOU are the lowsiest character on this forum!
Abe is not lousie, he's the best! Yes Stranger is great too but NO other charecter comes close to how great Abe is.
So leto doesnt know what hes talking about. You dont know what your talking about. In this case, me and anyone who agrees with me are the only right ones.

Translated that reads: MY OPINION I BEST! NO ONE ELSES IS BETTER THAN MINE, I AM THE SMARTEST ONE ON THE FORUM. ME ME ME ME ME ME! I AM THE ULTIMATE MASTER OF ODDWORLD!

metroixer 12-19-2005 02:28 PM

Ahem....ME was in production, BUT it was canceled for reasons I don't know why (psst: Xavier, Max). So yea stop being such a smartass.

EDIT: lmfao Used :D.

EDIT again: I just noticed that you said no one is better than abe. LIES. >:-O

Leto 12-19-2005 02:33 PM

Lol, Cullen, lol. Used> You. So if no one agrees with you we are wrong and don't know what we are talking about? Lol, cunt. You are one of the most clouded 12 year olds I have met. ^_^

Let's just say this:

You are all entitled to your opinions. Except for Cullen, because he's a bastard.

Kimon 12-19-2005 02:48 PM

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SCREW you used!
I think YOU are the lowsiest character on this forum!
Abe is not lousie, he's the best! Yes Stranger is great too but NO other charecter comes close to how great Abe is.
So leto doesnt know what hes talking about. You dont know what your talking about. In this case, me and anyone who agrees with me are the only right ones.

Jesus, what a dick.

I prescribe you 5000 mg of Lava three times a day. DOCTOR'S ORDERS!!!!

Leto 12-19-2005 03:30 PM

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You dont know what your talking about. In this case, me and anyone who agrees with me are the only right ones.
Am I the only one who thinks that warrants a banning or at least a warning?

Nazi.

metroixer 12-19-2005 03:33 PM

Damn it! Xavier! Get your mod ass in here! This thread is becoming a flame war! :eek:

used:) 12-19-2005 03:40 PM

Cullen heath I hate you, I seriously do. If you will sink to the level of such biggotry and ignorance, then I will not help you with anything here at all. Now go and masturbate to an Abe poster, miserable little cunt fuck.

Jesus...

Daxter King 12-19-2005 04:09 PM

Cullen you are one of the most ignorant people I have ever met. The fact that you have fell in love with a game charActer is really sad. Used and super munch are right your just a sick bastard. I think stranger's wrath is the best oddworld game. But that is my opinion you seem to think that your opinion is fact. GET A LIFE.

Slig stopper 12-19-2005 04:10 PM

Everyone needs to calm down :)

I personally liked SW, brought a nice change to the design and gameplay of the series. Loved the ability to switch from 3rd to 1st person at will. I agree with Used - it's right that OWI should explore every possible feature, design, gameplay and perspective that Oddworld has to offer. Think of it as a TV series, if you show the same thing over and over again without any variation, people are going to complain. OWI had this in their minds right up to the end, and no doubt this will carry forth into movie production

odd chick 12-19-2005 04:13 PM

Oh my God!! This was a thread about why Icarus didn't like Stranger and now it's a flame war about whether Abe is a good character or not and about whose idea is right and whose is wrong!! I'm sorry, but I have to laugh at this! :lol: Cullen, I'm going to start by saying that just because people disagree with you doesn't mean that they are wrong and you are right. An opinion is an opinion, buddy, not a fact. I personally think that Abe is a more endearing and interesting character than Stranger (even though he's a very interesting and mysterious character as well), but that's just my opinion. I'm not going to get riled up if anyone disagrees with me and neither should you. In fact, I agree with used when he says that OWI has the right to experiment with new things. You can't always have the same thing all the time, otherwise it will start to become stale and over-used.

Now, with that off of my chest, I, personally, loved Stranger's Wrath because of its story and plus, I honestly feel like more people can relate to Stranger because of the fact that he felt like an outcast and tried to change himself in order to fit in. I also thought it was very challenging at times. Although I am more into the Abe games because of the puzzle-solving strategies found in them, I thought that Stranger's Wrath was nearly as good as the Abe games because of its story. I love Munch's Oddysee, but it's honestly the weakest in the Oddworld series because so many good things were cut out of it AND it was quite repetitive in some areas.

Slig stopper 12-19-2005 04:21 PM

I agree about Munch's Oddysee, the first time I heard the jumping sound effect my mood dropped significantly, but once I was back in Odd mode and saw beyond the cartoonish sound effects, silly bugs and repetitive gameplay I started to enjoy it for what it was, another oddworld game!!!!

Wil 12-20-2005 05:08 AM

Somehow, through all the offensiveness, the on-topic conversation has managed to survive, so I see no need to close the thread, but any continuation of the bullying that has occured in here will not be tolerated. Warnings have been handed out liberally.

The thing with Stranger's Wrath is that it manages to present almost all the charm and philosophy that Oddworld carries without having to use existing avatars such as Abe the hero and Glukkons the antagonists. I say almost all because the philosophy of the weakling underdog anti-hero clearly isn't present in the game. OWI can tell us how Stranger has a bad heart all they want, he's still clearly the badass we all want to be instead of the average Joe we are, and I don't see how it not being a Quintology title is in any way relevent to that; but apart from the that, the political and social commentary, the quirky humour, the ALIVE world, the Hollywood production values and the character-driven story are all present and correct in this incarnation.

As for why Munch's Exoddus wasn't made: Munch's Oddysee wasn't a popular game. It didn't go down well with the fans, it didn't receive critical acclaim, and it did poorly on the market. Lorne in part blamed the game's lack of promised content by claiming that current videogaming technoogy wasn't up to delivering the epic stories and features he wanted to showcase in the Quintology, so he developed the idea of Stranger's Wrath, which ironically enough just happened to become the most advanced and epic Oddworld game yet. I fail to see how it can offend fans by not containing Abe. There will be more Abe games in the future, and the ones that already exist aren't lost irretrievably in the past.

Xavier 12-20-2005 09:44 AM

okay I'm fed up... time to handle out some warnings, the nominates are:

cullen heath for post #18
used:) for posts #20 and #26
Super Munch for #22 and #24
Kimon for post #23
Daxter King for post #27

Congrats you are all winners of a big bold WARNING!

Dave 12-20-2005 09:58 AM

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The thing with Stranger's Wrath is that it manages to present almost all the charm and philosophy that Oddworld carries without having to use existing avatars such as Abe the hero and Glukkons the antagonists. I say almost all because the philosophy of the weakling underdog anti-hero clearly isn't present in the game. OWI can tell us how Stranger has a bad heart all they want, he's still clearly the badass we all want to be instead of the average Joe we are, and I don't see how it not being a Quintology title is in any way relevent to that; but apart from the that, the political and social commentary, the quirky humour, the ALIVE world, the Hollywood production values and the character-driven story are all present and correct in this incarnation.
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I fail to see how it can offend fans by not containing Abe. There will be more Abe games in the future, and the ones that already exist aren't lost irretrievably in the past.

Word up, Max. I think you've captured the essence of things very well.

Leto 12-20-2005 11:27 AM

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Kimon for post #23
I'm not going to argue with you, but I'm just saying that Kimons post doesn't warrant a warning says me.

There is a fine line between comedy and spam, and your way of warning wasn't the most mature way of going at it.

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I fail to see how it can offend fans by not containing Abe. There will be more Abe games in the future, and the ones that already exist aren't lost irretrievably in the past.
Well said, chap.

used:) 12-20-2005 12:34 PM

As much as this sounds childish I believe Cullen got exactly waht he deserved. Where as I believe Kimon, Leto, Daxter king, and myself (well, maybe except Leto and me) were merely pointing out such idiocy and letting him know exactly what he had done to cause such provoked anger. After, Cullen IS the one who is telling everyone to calm down. Perhaps he should take his own advice. In other words, for such a msierable way of bringing out his opinion, we needed an equally mijserable way ot "interptret" him to our countewropinions. Meh! (I am so getting another warning).

PS. Some of this was humor, even if it wasn't interpreted well.

metroixer 12-20-2005 04:31 PM

Yay I diden't get a warning ^_^! Anyway thanks for clearing that uo about ME Max. If I were splat i'd give ya a medal.

Havoc 12-20-2005 10:57 PM

SM, Used and Metrioxer, if you want to discuss the warnings, do so with the moderator who gave you them over PM.
Get back on topic plz.

Software Bug 12-22-2005 12:03 AM

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I dont know about you people but i did not think Strangers Wrath wasn't much of an oddworld game. I have every oddworld game, but this was just a disapointment, my question is...

1) Does any body have Strangers Wrath?

2) Did anybody like it?

I completely disagree that Stranger wasn't much an Oddworld game.
It was however with a new character but OWI managed to also get the "ODD" feeling in the game , without the "ODD" feeling it maby wont be an real oddworld game , I have it and i enjoyed it more then any other Oddworld game

Nepharski 12-22-2005 12:24 PM

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I dont know about you people but i did not think Strangers Wrath wasn't much of an oddworld game. I have every oddworld game, but this was just a disapointment, my question is...

1) Does any body have Strangers Wrath?

2) Did anybody like it?

I bought it. Best FPS I've ever played.

Nate 12-22-2005 12:31 PM

Hey! Neph's back! Welcome back Neph!

So... Stranger's Wrath... damn good game.