Bisexuality
 

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I've met many people, both heterosexual and homosexual, who think bisexuality isn't real. The often argument is that it's a self-gratifying lifestyle; it helps those who want to be considered either original/unique or people who are basically horny.

A new study lends credit to those claims (at least pertaining to males). The article is here: http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/82661.php

So...what is your opinion on the existence of bisexuality and such? I have no first hand experience, so this study is the best evidence either way, so far.

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I'm bisexual.

I've been on the recieving end of so many accusations since coming out, like being greedy, trying to be original, being overly horny, being confused, etc. None of it is true, and it really angers me when people won't believe me. The fact is that ever since puberty kicked off, I found myself attracted to boys and girls. Initially I thought "it must just be hornyness" but eventually I realised that it wasn't, when I started to have real feelings of attraction to both sexes.

Both can get me equally horny. I'd happy screw either one and be serious about every minute of it. And sometimes I can go through preference swings, where I'm more gay or more straight. But 100% of the time I'm fine with either.

Looking at that "report" I'd say it's nothing more than a mere denial/debunking of bisexuality, probably by people who dislike bisexuals or are annoyed by them for whatever reason. But I've noticed this alarming trend in people debunking bisexuality and I hope it doesn't catch on. Coming out was hard enough as it was, the last thing I need now is for people to disbelieve me and think that I'm attempting to decieve them so that I can look "original" or whatever.

Edit: (GREAT thread by the way!)

Really? I've noticed the opposite. I've noticed an alarming trend of people becoming bisexual because they think it's 'cool'.

I mean, if someone's bisexual good for them, double the fun eh? But if someone's pretending to be bisexual because they think it's cool is just stupid. Someone changing the way they dress/act to impress someone else is dumb anyway. But to change your sexuality just to get into a certain group or clique is even worse.

I don't doubt the existence of bisexuality though. I can't remember where I read it but some scientists somewhere proved bisexuality to be a part of puberty. As in people go through a short period of bisexuality (assuming they aren't fully bisexual) so their brain can figure out what gender it likes the most (sexually).

Tch, if anyone admitted they were Bi or gay in my school, they would have themselves burned and twisted up in barb wire. I think this one person is gay though, he acts really girly sometimes, but most people in my grade accept him. I suppose people are evolving after all. He doesn't admit he's gay however.

People need to learn respect for others even if they are bi or gay. They shouldn't have to become out casts just because they are diffrent. I disaprove of loving the same gender but I wouldn't go out and whine about it. I don't care if your gay but I still don't like it and wouldn't fall in love with people of my same gender and don't go kissing the same gender infront of me because that always grosses me out. I also wouldn't like it if someone of my same gender would start hitting on me.

Same here. I have no problem wit someone's true personality. But I can't imagine having sex with another man.

I'm pretty sure Dino was refering to the politicians/religious nuts. Then again, I could be wrong.

I've got no beef with the lifestyle. I don't think it's a choice, you are what you are. Myself, I couldn't even think of having sex with another guy, so the people that actually do are probably genuinely attracted to the same sex. People can do it with whomever they want, it's nobodies business but there's.

On a positive note Canada finally legalized gay marriage.

And yeah I think being gay is a mostly inborn thing rather than a "choice".

Everything there is my opinon. Damn you, Dino, you physcicnesys person.

I dont see why people are denying the exitence of true bisexuals. It isn't exactly what you call a cushy life style. If people decide to be bi for popularity, they are idiots. 'Welcome to a life where no one feels sexually secure around you!'. If you dont have any feelings of love toward someone the same sex as you, you're heterosexual. Whereas if you have feelings of love toward people of both sexes, true feelings, you are bisexual.

I pretty much agree with you, Dino, but here's there was one thing I didn't agree with of yours, Super Munch.

If you don't have any feelings of sexual attraction toward someone the same sex as you, you're heterosexual. Love is not a feeling, but feelings can come from it. I will say no more...

To agree with Jacob, I shall quote him, which is why I said love, not sexual attraction...

Being in love, being attracted to someone, and sleeping with someone are all completely different to each other. They can be related, and I believe they should be, but they don't necessarily have to be.

Homo-Inferiority (Bisexuality) is a difficult issue, methinks. With girls (moreso in England) you have the typical sluts who say they're Bi purely to get the attention of Muffies. This, out and out, disgusts me. It disgusts me even more when you get two girls kissing and a crowd of Muffies surrounding them grunting and smirking in their vile, primitive way.

I think Bisexuality is more of an enviromental factor, if anything. Though studies do show that something silly like 90% of people are Bisexual to some degree and that there's only 10% who're truely HS or Muffy. I would agree with the study that the majority of HI's are in fact HS's.

I know that there have been a few cases were Homosexuals call themselves 'Bisexuals' purely because they're married. And if they were ever to leave their wife, they'd never go back to another woman.

Okay, can someone tell me what Muffies are?

Heterosexual men, I believe.

I'm pretty sure I made my feelings towards homosexuality and bisexuality clear in that Religious debate about it months ago. I fully accept it as a natural thing, but I know both men and women pretend to be sometimes, which is painfully obvious at my school.

I have a few gay friends and maybe one who's bi. Mmyep.

You so crazy!

Apparantly there is a word for this. It's Biphobia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biphobia

"Biphobia is the fear of, discrimination against, or hatred of bisexuals. It need not include homophobia or heterophobia, because there are stereotypes that are specific to bisexuals."

In other words, they are just a bunch of Jacobs, with their arrogant "homo-superior" "hetero-superior" attitude.

There are few things that I would KO someone in public for, and I think this is definately one of those things.

'"homo-superior" "hetero-superior" attitude.'

There is no such thing as a Hetero-Superior, silly Bird! Muffies can never be superior to Homo-Superiors or women.

[devils advocate]And exactly how is doing research into Bisexuality discriminating against them, hating them or fearing them? I'm sorry if your supposed "natural" sexuality has been discovered as nothing more than a subconcious flaw in the developmental process, but don't start acting like a prissy little Fag about it. They've obviously done their research and i didn't hear anybody kicking off about them doing research into Homosexuality, so why do so now, just because they've discovered it isn't always natural.[/devils advocate]

Doing research into Bisexuality is fine. But coming out with something like "Bisexuality does not exist" is clearly a large scale high priority attempt to cause ire to people of that sexual orientation, for the reasons aforementioned (biphobic). Denying something that's well documented, well understood, and already accepted as a legitimate sexuality... it's pretty obvious to me what the game is there.

These "researchers" are not neutral, unbiased scientists. They're established debunkers who abuse their "official" position to add more damaging affects to these anti-bi attacks. What they're doing to us is no different to what heterosexuals did to you a few years back - denying your existance or right to exist, waging propaganda wars against you, and making your life generally miserable. You had to really fight back to gain acceptance, and now you're doing the one thing that you so hated and labeled "pure ignorance" to us, because a bunch of phobic twats told you so. In the modern world we live in today, it's harder to do many of those things, but they're goddamn trying and they're using the best weapon they have; ignorant twats who believe any old bullshit from an "official source" in the news media.

It is natural. I'm bisexual, and I've been like that since day one. I'm not apologetic about my sexuality... do you really think that I, Dino, would lie about my sexuality because I'm too much of a coward to come out and admit to it? Do you really think I give that much of a shit what some stuck up fag I've never met might think? If I was gay I'd say it, if I was straight, then I'd say it. There's nothing stopping me. I'm not saying that I'm bi for effect, it's not easy being bisexual, your life is made crappy by ignorant twats like biphobics, people like you, who believe that homosexuality is superior to bisexuality. If I wanted an "easy ride" it would be easier to say that I'm gay than it would to say that I'm bisexual. But I always stick to my guns, because I am what I am and I'm not going to let anyone deny me.

I've had boyfriends and girlfriends, sex with both genders, and fantasies about males and females. Why would I have spent my sexually active life doing all this stuff just to prove some kind of point or make a "statement" about my originality? It's genuine, not fake or confused. It's not some kind of mental illness that needs to be cured. It's just the way it is.

Actually, I think it would be great to be Bi, then you could choose whoever you want. Plus you could go undercover at any strip bar.

That's a common misconception of what bisexuality is like.

For starters, you don't choose whoever you want. It's not like some magnificent choice game, you're at the mercy of sexual attraction, love, and whatnot.

I know, but I meant like sort of by feeling the deep passion for a person because I think that is important when you know someone close. The same goe's for close friends, just without the sexual part.

I agree. I think true bisexuals are sort of lucky to an extent: The people they love, are attracted to, etc. are not bound by any limits of their sex.

On a random note, another word for bisexual is... ambisexual. o_O

Oh, like ambidextrous. Interesting term. :D

I quite like omnisexual. :D

:D Both are good terms.

...isn't Searex Ambisexual? Please don't hit me. :D

This is definatley a more open minded view of bisexuality, as opposed to:Which suggests all bisexuals are sex crazed.

...shut up about Brian Molko.

Is Brian Molko actually homo or bi? I've always wondered but nobody has ever been able to give me an answer (!) despite his popularity.

Brian Molko is indeed bi. Get the Once More With Feeling DVD, and in one of the interviews I think he was laughing at this girls attempts to turn him heterosexual.

...or mabye that was on placeboworld.co.uk . Either one.

I was being sarcastic.

Go you. :fuzemb:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...unch/brian.jpg <3

Super Munch, your next post will be your 1,337th, so make it count!

Who the hell is that?

EDIT: Brian Molko, infidel.

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Now to the seriousness...

People commonly associate sexualities other than heterosexual to be sexually obsessive. For example:

"You're gay! You like to take it up the ass!"

Whereas they don't just enjoy the occasional gaybumsecks, they actually have feelings for people who belong to their sex. People getting me here?

So when the people think "You're bi! You're so desperate that when a girl rejects you you'll **** anything!", they again don't consider the love thing.

Meh, the promiscuity thing is typical of the ignorance.

It's like, they're all old, obsolete computers. When they're faced with something new that their circuitry isn't capable of dealing with, they just come out with "cannot compute bisexual" and assume that it's erroneous, rather than realise that they just don't understand. So they start looking for all the other logical (to them) explanations. All of course incorrect.

Anyone else think it's kinda funny that this so called "research" only ever parrots the things that the biphobics rave on about? IE "you just do it to be original" "you're just horny" "you say you're bisexual but you're actually gay and you're just trying to hide it".

You get a cookie for using that word.
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Yes. I was going to mention that sooner or later... Especially this 'research'. They're trying to say that bisexuality does not exist. How come there are true bisexuals in the world, then?

...post count not cool anymore. :(

Yeah, it's like, "nope, they're not living proof! they don't exist!".

They say that we're the ones who are lying about our sexuality to suit our lifestyle, but equally it could be said that they are lying about their "research" to suit their own personal agenda.

In this situation I advise the use of Occam's Razor. And I think the outcome of that is easily going to be "bisexuality does exist" for the majority. There's more evidence to show that bisexuality is real and these "researchers" are merely lying, than there is to show that bisexuality is fake.

Heh, reminds me of a "research" that said that people who abstain from pre-marital sex are more likely to engage in other forms of sex. When, from what I've read, their "test subjects" were picked from those who were most likely to do the above, so it was really no surprise.
So, I guess what I'm saying is that they could have done "research" into it, but the people they surveyed were taken from those who aren't truly bisexual. Then the researchers just say, "Look, we've done the research, and we've 'proved' that bisexuality doesn't exist!"
It's a logical fallacy(sp?), it's basically like saying:

"Sheep, my friend, are all white. I have two sheep and they are both white."

Yes, there are many ways to "rig" scientific research to provide a desired outcome.

To be honest I find the outcome of this "research" laughable. If bisexuality doesn't exist, then that must mean that I am schizophrenic, and my two personalities have opposing sexualities. It's just stupid, how do you explain away the existance of something that you claimed didn't exist? It can't be done without being utterly stupid.

Dino, saying everybody who is Bisexual is Bisexual through nature is an idiotic thing to suggest. Just like saying everybody who is Heterosexual/Homosexual through nature is equally idiotic.

And do you have any evidence that the Scientists who did this study are "known for debunking", i would like to see it, if you have.

And everybody jumping on the "Yeh, Bisexual is natural" bandwagon and calling the other side's argument "ignorant and obsolete" is just as ignorant. I for one haven't seen any studies indicating Bisexuality in animals, and if you have any, i'd be intrigued to read about them.

Also, i didn't realise we had so many qualified Scientists who have done their own research into this subject matter, i'm really quite amazed.

'It's just stupid, how do you explain away the existance of something that you claimed didn't exist? It can't be done without being utterly stupid.'

Why is it so hard to comprehend that a person either has a preference to one sex or another? Why would these Scientists even concentrate or bother with trying to make Bisexuality seem not "natural"? Why wouldn't they just concentrate on debunking Homosexuality?

Upon managing to re-read the article ('cos annoyingly it kept going to a blank page last night) it says Bisexuality is in doubt among men. It doesn't say it doesn't in exist. It says it's in doubt. So technically this debate shouldn't even exist, but once again, thanks to Dino, he has managed to stir everybody up into a frenzy.

Well done, no, really(!)

Yay! I get to bring up the bonobos again! They likes to do naughty stuff with both sexes. Crazy monkeys.