Life on other planets
 

Is there life on other planets? What do you feel supports or denies the exsistance of life on other planets? Recently science has uncovered much on the high possiblitly which people are know acknowledging as fact. The metor fragment recovered that came from mars was said to contain fossilised remains of primative life, the remains of a bacterial cell forign to this planet.

This is a fact, and if you watch the news you would have already known this. Recently more research and exploration are being made into the heavens. What is know coming upon the Earth is the the fact "If simple life exisits on other planets, then complex life HAS TO exisit on other planets as well." The great thinkers of today (Mr. Hawkins, Etc.) Believe that life has to exist on other planets.

If we can fine life on the first planet mankind explored (Jupiter ain't really a "planet") then the odds are pretty good. I mean if we just look on our doorstep at Mars and see life, then there is a good chance the neighborhood has got life too.

P.S. My grandmother delivered the paper in Garrett County to Albert Einstein, the man who said the univer is infinate. I apologize for the extremely long thread.

P.S.S I am sorry for continuing to drag this on agian but does anyone know what a Vansudin or something like that is, because Shadowman is telling me he is a Vansudin from another planet and has became quite convincing

A: Hawkins is dead.
B: ALL life is complex.
C: The current evidence points to the chances of life occuring on another planet being remote, considering that from what we know, very specific parameters are required for life to come into being.
D: What is often confused with "the possibility of life occuring on other planets" (which is a very low percentage) is "the percentage of planets able to possibly support human life".
E: Until we know how life is created, we will never know the true likelihood of life on other planets.

Mr. Hawkins ain't dead he was just on TV I mean he is a wheel chair with some nifty thing that talks for him but he ain't DEAD. I see what you are saying here DIno, and you are entitled to your opinion too. But look at what we consider terms that allows life to develop, we only see what would allow life similar to that of Earth via we would say a planet pelted by metors could not support life, Earth life no it couldn't but life that develops to be able to withstand that kind of accurance could. And what about the Mars discovery of primative bacterial life, that is science fact not theory. It would be only ignorant to think we are the center of all life.

The way I see life is it is just another stage in a planets development, the first stage is when it goes from being a giant floating mass of matter to slowely being shaped into the sphere shaped planet we know of, then the 2nd stage is when it develops its terrian and "plates" next is, if suitable, life. Beside that Einstien said the universe is infanite and life is likely on ALOT of planets of all different forms that adapt to that planet.

meh, Hawk aint dead, but he is very close it seems.

As for life on other planets, I find it hard to believe that out of billions upon billions of stars and planets, that we'd be the only one to be able to support life. Does life exist on other planets? Yes, I believe so. Does INTELIGENT life exist on other planets? That is the real mystery.... I think probobly, but there is no way we can tell.


However, I would like to comment on something- the fact that countless hicks keep reporting aliens (it's always them :\), and that people believe we'r going to be invaded one day. If there is really intelligent life on other planets, what would make someone think they're only interested in us? If they did have the technology to fly from galaxy to galaxy at will in some magical spacecraft of the future, why would they stick around here? It like in a science class. You look at an ameoba(sp?) through a microscope. Ok. Nothing Special. So you move onto the next one. It's like that, except we'r the ameoba. I would imagine the aliens have much better things to do than study a single ameoba when there are billions of others.

Well, on Mars they did find life but it was only little plankton creatures frozen in the ice. It wasn't any intelligent life as we see it but it's a start. Also I think there has to be life as intelligent as us (if not more) or even just creatures that may not have the same brain capacity as us. We can't be the only planet with life such as ours.

(Please don't read the following if you have strong religious beliefs or are easily offended. I don't want flaming about it, this is my opinion, and I don't want it 'corrected' or offended.)

I have always believed in life on other planets, because most of my views on life are based on a biological theme. Of course, there is always the ultimate 'why?' we are surviving, but I don't think about that. I think of all life trying to have their species survive, and we evolve to do that better as our environment changes. A single individual's lifespan purpose is to live, to breed, and then to die with the hopes that their offspring will carry on the species.

I'm not trying to be accurate in this next statement, but it is a summary: we evolved with brains to survive hard times around the Ice Age, and our brains kept evolving because it was found that intelligence was more vital to survival than brute strength. Using tools was a lot more efficient than using fists, and to know whether a food was poisonous or not could save a life with a choice.

Why do I digress? In my view, life is biological. I shouldn't be thinking about this so much for my age, and I feel worthless at times because I am one person in this world of people, but 'life' is always trying to find new ways to survive. That means, if a planet has the minimum requirements for it to start, it will start, and it will attempt to flourish. This fails sometimes.

Also, life does not have to be sentient to be called life. If they found bacterial cells on Mars, and the question of life only being on Earth is a yes/no one, then the answer is clearly no. Life is life, whether it gets very far or not.

There can be anything in the next galaxy. Humans with tails, dragons that speak, hell, there could be mollusks that evolved into slig-like things for all we know. If their environment is fit for it, it will evolve accordingly. Things start small, and they only grow. Is there intelligent life? Again, it depends on their environment whether intelligence is best suited for their species' survival or not. The universe is vast, so it will always be easier to say 'yes there is' than 'no there isn't'. We can't know everything for sure, and unfortunately, we probably will never know unless there is some way to travel that far out into space.

(/theoretical hootnany)

1) There will be life on other planets. It's impossible for there not to be.
2) Davros is not dead.
3) Shadowman is a c*nt. And you're a bigger c*nt for believing him.

On a side note, yes, i am that little Grey man that violates people.

What the freek is c*nt anyway, you kids and your fast talk, but to be even "sacra vacca" Jacob. You have hardly put forward anything to this thread but I do agree it is impossible for life to be on other planets. Now GET OUT OF THIS THREAD JACOB....please.

A cunt is a vagina.

And how in the hell can you say that there is no life on other planets? If anything, it's impossible for there NOT to be life on other planets. If the universe is as big as it's supposed to be, then there's a lot more friggin' life than the stuff on Earth. And if this IS the only life in the universe, then we are royally fucking it up.

There has to be life on other planets we have already found life (it may be primative life but if there is primative life that just says more so how there must be advanced life). There is no way of telling what they will look like, and will likely look very different form us in apperance and function. Like Kimon said there HAS to be life on other planets.

Where did you hear that?! :confused: Could you please post a link to an article about this, or PM me one?

I've heard of the whole Mars meteor thing, but I thought that was under debate.

Hawking is most certainly not dead. I think. I checked out like two or three websites about him, and dictionary.com, and none of those said anything about his death.

As for the whole life on other planets thing... hell, I don't have a fraction of the scientific knowledge required to really formulate a good stance on this. I guess I'm of the general opinion that, like, "The universe is big and stuff, so, it seems like there's a lot of chances for life to be out there and stuff and such." But I'm almost completely without education in this field, so...

*withdraws into shadows*

Yes...I'm from Planet six. I eat cotten.

:spam:

There obviously is life on other planets. But like many others pointed out, it may not be intellegent, but it's alive, ain't it? And who said that life on other planets, has to be a little, gray person with a big head, or a thing with 4 eyes and 24 stomachs. Ever thought of what species we have on Earth, may not have origanated here, and be on another planet? What we have on Earth, is classed as the only 5 different types of animals. Reptile, mammal, fish, bird and insect. So think of a huge, green, scaly thing, it looks weird, but it's a reptile. So it'll need thep proper enviroment. So I'd say any planet that is inhabitable, is liable to have something connected to earth. There's no way you can get anything too different from what we have on earth. The whole ''Alien'' thing probably started with sightings of Deformed/Mutated things people said, or what someone thought up and decided to fake.

Yeah, I agree with Cyber Slig
In extraterrestrials there are likely thing that are found in common, and life forms of these sort will also be very different from us. The Gray-headed alien seems too fake and earthly to be real. When people try and create in their mind what aliens will look like they use earth creatures and qualities to form them in their mind. So we cannot really predict what they will look like, besides they would grow and adapt to their environment which is could be very different from earth. The Mars discovey proved that life can exist on planets that don't have huge amounts of water or oxygen like earth.

Oh and Raisin if you go to google and type in Life on Mars you will get all kinds of results on it.

Personally, I think there are other lifeforms out there, carbon-based or otherwise. I mean, come on! If not, it seems like such a tremendous waste of space.

The universe has no perception of what classifies as a "waste of space", therefore it is not inclined to create life elsewhere just so that you don't get lonely on your spacefaring adventures.

Really, if for some reason people find that they reach a mental brick wall when attempting to comprehend the possibility that there is no life in the universe except for on Earth, then perhaps they need to consider the possibility that they might just be refusing to accept the possibility of a lifeless universe because they don't want it to be true. People who claim to be scientific about it and make outrageous claims like "it's impossible for life NOT to exist elsewhere in the universe" are no more scientific than your average christian.

The real truth is, that nobody knows for certain how life is made, so nobody knows what the chances of it occuring are, but it's looking like life itself is either the work of a creator, or it's so complicated that the chances of it occuring elsewhere are so remote that the universe is not big enough for it to occur elsewhere. As much as we understand about how a single cell works (it's essentially a very advanced self replicating, self sustaining biological nanobot) we still cannot even come close to replicating it in the laboratory - now, if we can't do it in the laboratory with all our advanced tools and such, then what do you think the chances are of life magically occuring on a bunch of big rocks in the night sky?

Thank you, Mr. Overly-Serious-Commentator. I have no real idea if there is life out there. However, "Sometimes I think the surest indicator of other intelligent life in the universe, is that none of it has tried to contact us."

I believe that if it can exist here on earth, somewhere, within the infinite billions of galaxies, there must be a planet that can support life. Maybe not intelligent life, but life none-the-less.

Might I bring to attention yet again that WE HAVE ALREADY FOUND ALIEN LIFE ON MARS! We already KNOW FOR FACT (those are the things that are real) THAT IT DOES!!! Einstein, who's theroies have all be correct so far said that ther IS life on other planets, and he is been right alot. Mr. Hawkins who theroies also have been proven correct for many of them also says there IS life on other planets. And to be truely honest these people are smarter then us and they know what the heck there talking about. WE ALREADY KNOW THERE IS LIFE ON OTHER PLANETS FOR A FACT!!! Okay, it cannot be denied anymore, a planet doesnt have to have huge oceans and a thick atmosphere, or sediment to support life we know this for FACT!!! For those of you who realized I was telling you that thank you
I am sorry if I sound drilling but I just had to come out and strait say it

Well, as I see it is that we are only one Solar System. There are billions of planets orbiting around stars just like the Sun. There is a huge possibility that there is life on Extra-Solar planets. There could be creatures on a planet in a far away Solar System carrying out their lives right now. It's an interesting concept to think about.

Uhm. Einstein and Hawking were/are theoretical physicists, not exobiologists. Their field has nothing to do with extraterrestrial life.

And PLEASE, somebody post a link to this whole "conclusive proof of life on Mars" thing. I'm much too lazy to use Google, and anyway, it's your responsibility as a proponent of the existence of alien life to provide the information to support your argument. There are rules for this sort of thing, man!

I believe there are lives in the universe. I won't rant about why I think so.

You shouldn't use the word "fact" so freely unless you actually know what you're talking about.

The "alien life on mars" is just a rock that flew from mars to earth after a meteorite impact chiselled it off the planet. On the piece of rock, are lumps that vaguely resemble fossilised bacteria. There is NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE to prove that it is ACTUALLY bacteria. As a matter of fact, the scientists studying the rock believe that it isn't bacteria at all.

Again I will state that if you knew how complex a single cell was, let alone a whole creature, you would soon realise that the chances of life forming at random on other planets is SO low. So low in fact, that you're probably more likely to accidentally assemble a jigsaw puzzle after dropping it on the floor.

Yeh, but if it's happened in our Galaxy, and there are squillions of other Galaxys out there, then the chances of it happening again aren't really that low. The Universe itself is a tad large, and so there's got to be something wigglesome-worthy somewhere.

Obviously life on other planets? Life on earth is a friggin' miracle, a statistical anomaly that absolutely boggles the mind. The shows like Extraterrestial and Alien Planet are always interesting to watch, but there is no way that is happening or has happened.
Edit:Drake equation for those without calculators. I've been fairly pragmatic(i.e. a little more hard-nosed than Drake) but I still can't get life to come up at an intelligent level.Have fun.
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/drake/default.asp

This is a common argument. The usual "But space is so BIG! Surely there must be an increased chance of it happening because of it's size?" argument comes down to this; until we know precisely how life is formed (to the point where we can actually create life in the laboratory) we will never truely know the precentage likelihood of life being formed elsewhere. Don't forget that life has to be "created" first - at least one cell has to be manufactured in order to start life. It could be possible that a VERY primitive bacteria was taken from earth by a meteorite impact, and flown through space to another planet, but for this you must calculate the chances of the fragment ever reaching another planet in tact - there are more stars than planets in the universe, so it's most likely that it will be sucked into a star and annihilated.

Also, you've got the fact that, at the end of the day, planets are just big rocks in space. Big rocks in space do not have a special magical power that allows them to "create" life. The circumstances need to be right. Probably needs the right reactions, in the right way, at the right time, right temperature, and with the right amounts of available chemicals... and who knows.. maybe even a bolt of lightning to jumpstart it? Just think about the chances of that.

I hope there are some planets with some prettyful plants on, though. It'd be so depressing to think that most of them are like Mars.

Calvin and Hobbes, yes? Love it.

Anyway, while it may not be the most conclusive evidence (as Dino has pointed out), I'm still on board with the following statement:

"I believe that if it can exist here on earth, somewhere, within the infinite billions of galaxies, there must be a planet that can support life. Maybe not intelligent life, but life none-the-less."

I beleived in Aliens, but now I don't realy get into it anymore like I use too. If there is life out there , then good, if there isn't, ohwell.

I did wounder why the universe in space is packed with some many dangers (blackholes, radioation, metiores) and why it would take so long just to reach another Solar System. Sometimes I think it's that way becuase there is probably life in the next Solar system, and us humans are made or not allowed to tress pass to far away planets, becuase we interfear with the their cilivisation. If you think of this way, that out planet is like our house, and it would rude to walk in someones elses house, becuase we are supposed to live in our own houses. So it's like we realy shouldn't be able to even know that there are other illelegent life out side out solar system.
But that's just me.

Then agian, man did walk on moon, and it space is a dangerous enviroment which make people hard to believe how the shuttle managed to travel to the moon without being effected by sun radiation back in the 60's, back in thoses day techology wasn't very great as todays.

The point is, is that humans on a whole are Wookie-flanges. I bet if we got 100% proof Bigfoot or the Yeti was real, a group of Hunters would go out, shoot two (one to be stuffed, the other to be dissected) and catch a third to put in captivity.

The same goes with Alien planets, we'd completely eviserate them beyond belief. Wiping out all plant life and indigenous specie. We did it with the Native Americans, the Mauri's and the Aborigini's.

Though saying that, we could probably travel to distant planets and explore, as time slows down the further away from gravity you are, and so you would probably not die of old age.

Time is relative. If time slows down, you would not realise it, because if it ever slowed down, so would everything else. Including your brain. As far as you would be concerned, everything would be happening at the same speed that it normally does. A year would still go by to you, but to an unaffected observer, that year may take many years to occur. Unless you could somehow create a seperate time continuum around your brain, to allow you to witness everything going by very slowly. But this would just cause your brain to age faster than your body.

It's very much like slowing down a video replay to create a slow motion effect. The person still travels from point A to point B in the same relative timeframe and does not notice a difference, the only difference is, that time is altered so that an observer would see it as happening slower - this has an interesting factor in that a person travelling in slow motion, then coming out of slow motion, will have aged less than the observer during that period of time. Theoretical physists do not know precisely what would happen if this occured, but they are certain that it is most definately time travel. The tradeoff that prevents this time travelling from occuring to our benefit in terms of space travel, is that areas in which time is slower, take you exactly the same amount of time to travel through as they would if time passed at normal speeds.

In an area where time slows down, a ship travelling through that area would theoretically slow down also. Basically, if the distance would take 89 years to traverse at normal time speed, then it would take you the same amount of time to travel it at slow time speed - the only difference is, that it would be a very slow 89 years to someone who was observing from an area in normal time. This would mean that you would still die of old age, unless, again, you could create a seperate time continuum around the ship, but not you. The idea of creating a human stasis tube in which time passes slower than it does in the rest of the ship is one that is not new to science fiction - in fact, keeping someone young while travelling for hundreds of thousands of years has been in nearly every single science fiction novel and movie in which starships do not achieve superluminal speeds.

Now, it is theoretically possible to travel into the future by entering an area of slowed-time-space, and staying there for a while. If time travelled half as fast in this area, then staying there for a year would mean that you would be a year younger than you should be when you emerge - in other words, you would've travelled two years into the future, instead of just one. Interesting eh?

I'm going to have to agree with Dino on this one. A) The mars rock is only possibly from mars, not definately. B) There are only some marks that look vaguely like bacteria, not proof at all. C) The mars rovers did find some chemicals that seemed consistent with life, but they occur naturally without life as well.

On the other hand, just to prove your basic stupidity. If mars ever had life on it, it was at the time a few billion years ago when it did have And whilst I'm not averse to the thought that there may be some life somewhere in the universe, I don't think it has ever been in contact with humanity. A) Our current understanding of the laws of physics state that interstellar travel is unlikely. B) In the words of Lisa Simpson: It's just that the people who claim they've seen aliens are always pathetic low-lifes with boring jobs. C) Why the heck would an advanced civilisation make contact but always go for inbred hillbillies instead of the president?


Not including situations where the president is an inbred hillbilly.

Nate, I think alien visitation is a crock of shit but if aliens needed bodies, hosts, some weird form of gratification(S & M?) who are they going to mess with, Farmer Brown and his gurnseys or the leader of one of the most powerful nations on earth. Just a thought. Nice last sentence, I think that the last 2 have left much to be desired. One more thing: Wouldn't it be funny if according to what Drake put down that there actually are over ten THOUSAND advanced civilizations, only problem is that they are just as advanced as us and have no hope of contacting the others?

There is life on the moon.

We put it there, in the form of bacteria.

Simple life does NOT exist on other planets except for the moon, and I've already gone over that one. No life has been found on any other planet, and it never will be, because life is unique to earth.

Hawkins does not believe that life has to exist on other planets. Get your facts right. Hawkins is a Theoretic Physicist, not a SETI whacko.

Again, get your facts straight. The first planet mankind explored was not Jupiter, it was the Earth, and then the moon. Jupiter is inexplorable due to the fact that it doesn't have a surface. In other words, it's a gas giant.

There is no life on mars! For god's sake.

You talk out your ass

You ARE shadowman aren't you?

I just saw a post on another forum that said "Albert Einstein was a Jew so he must have believed in god". So don't sweat it Odd Trusting, you're not alone in the universe, there ARE some other people who are as stupid as you.

Indeed.

And I believe you're talking about Stephen Hawking, not Hawkins.

Argh yes of course! It's Odd Trusting's bad spelling rubbing off on me! See? These idiots are harmful.

Goddamn, please shoot me humanely if I start making any other stupid spelling mistakes. :banghead:

Err...

Last year a European scientist said that there could be life on mars.

On mars, you see, there is methane. Methane normally gets blasted away because of the thin atmosphere. But the is still a bunch of methane there.
The scientist said that they had detected a substance called fermaldihyde (sp), that only came about when methane passed through several layers of martian soil. So, little bacteria under the surface were coughing up bacteria.

This is no Grand truth. Just a hypothesis.
Maybe he is referring to this?

By the wo, Go read my story in Non-Oddworld Art & Literature.