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Dipstikk 06-05-2004 10:24 PM

Bestiality: Wrong or Right?
 
http://www.deviantart.com/view/7863154/

This strange man apparently believes (Or was lead to believe...you know, I doubt that this man's reasoning skills are very high) that he is a wolf. He also has daily happy-funtime-sex sessions with his pet.

Now, I'm not sure how Lassie would feel about this, but let's hear it from you.

Bestiality a crime, or a God-given right?

(Personally, I think this guy needs a one-way ticket to the local padded cell and his dog taken under the care of a NORMAL human being.)

Hobo 06-05-2004 10:27 PM

Um. Ewwwww.

That's wrong. Dogs were made for other dogs. Not for people.

People were made for people and sub human lifeforms. Like Peter

Fez 06-05-2004 10:56 PM

That is wrong.

Alcar 06-05-2004 11:33 PM

I don't know too much about the subject. So I can't pass a proper judgement / opinion. But you won't catch me lifting up any animals hind legs. I'm just not that way inclined :p

Alcar...

Jacob 06-06-2004 04:32 AM

I've had discussions about this with some of my friends in the past, and we came up with the conclusion that if the animal isn't being harmed in anyway, shape or form, then there isn't anything bad about it.

I'm sure a Horse wouldn't complain when certain things are happening to a certain organ by three women.

It's only when you get random Zoophiles going around raping animals, which i feel is wrong and they need to be punished.

Sick? Erm...not really. I can think of worse things. Perculiar? Yes. But still, different strokes and all. Although saying that i can only understand why women do the whole Beastility [Bestiality, Bestility [all the same, just different spellings]] thing, because with a Dog they can have anything upto 50+ Orgasms in a minute [according to certain sources] whereas guys...guys...well...they could get more pleasure from a woman. But meh, if no-one's harmed let them do what they will.

DarkHoodness 06-06-2004 02:22 PM

*shrugs* To each thier own, as long as the dog enjoys it too, then it should be okay. If you think about it, it's the same as an animal of one speicies having it off with one from another species, except we humans have a greater ability to reason then any other animal. . .
However, weather bestiality is wrong or right depends on the situation. It's wrong if you're forcing the animal into doing sexaul activitiy with you, just like raping another human. Another thing that's wrong with it is hygene.

Personally I wouldn't do it, though. The only thing I'd have sex with is another human female. I treat my pets as family, and love them and care about them as such, but have never seen them in a sexaul light because I don't find any of them sexaully appealing.
- DH

Jacob 06-07-2004 10:39 AM

'but have never seen them in a sexaul light because I don't find any of them sexaully appealing.'

Give it time. You'll soon be creeping around your household at night trying to catch one of your pets, and when somebody finally catches you - yeh, your defence will be "But she was acting sexy.". Oh yeh, Dogs so know how to shake their thang.

Adder 06-07-2004 11:41 AM

Before viewing this page, I'm thinking "Oh, don't tell me he's just about to slurr a shifter! That's what I'd like to be... as soon as i find out what animal I am"

After reading it... well, it's someones honest opinion. Anyone who says "This is unnatural" may want to question the nature of human's having sex and don't just say "to reproduce" cause that would be a little to ignorant of the massive amount of "casual sex" people are having every day!

Interesting link, Dipstikk. Thanks for showing it to me

paramiteabe 06-07-2004 12:24 PM

I am not going to say anything about this except that common sense tells me this is completely insane. You are an idiot if you have sex with a dog period!Or any other creature of wildlife catagory that exist on earth. Humans with humans animals with animals species with its own kind. :|

Paramiteabe... :fuzblink:

Nate 06-07-2004 12:32 PM

I don't think you're insane if you want to have sex with a dog. Your values may be questionable, but not insane. This guy on the other hand beleives it is fine because he thinks he IS a wolf. Now that's insane!

Jacob 06-07-2004 03:05 PM

Ahh, but certain Furries [Furries being the people who think they're animals] have different extents of what they believe they are. Some think that they're animals born again, others think they were meant to be animals etc. It's perculiar, but no harm comes of it if done right so meh.

PA - i'm interested if you ever see the point of view of another person before opening your mouth.

Facsimile 06-08-2004 12:09 AM

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You are an idiot if you have sex with a dog period!

Shouldn't that be "You are an idiot if you have sex with a dog exclamation mark"?

Oh and ontopic... Umm... I'm not really into screwing other species but I... guess if other people want to...

paramiteabe 06-08-2004 03:02 AM

No I stand fully by my words you are an idiot if you have sex with animals. Call me what you want but as blunt as I am I only tell the truth! Your a moron if you make out with a dog. Tell me do you honestly believe there actually is a brain in the person who performs such an act?

Paramiteabe... :fuzblink:

Jacob 06-08-2004 05:21 AM

'Call me what you want but as blunt as I am I only tell the truth! Your a moron if you make out with a dog. Tell me do you honestly believe there actually is a brain in the person who performs such an act?'

Because you don't exactly do your research and obviously don't have an opinion that goes in the opposite direction of the Bible, i feel obliged to tell you that although you have a vaguely valid point that the people [and by people i mean men] who perform animal-sex are not entirely there. However, the women are. Women can have an multiple orgasms for over an hour with a Dog. And some women i have spoken to about such subject are very professional career women. So, yes, men are a bit perculiar for going with an animal that will have no sexual benefit to them whatsoever. But no, women are not idiots. They just like the warm sensation it gives them for a couple of hours.

And PA, i don't think by saying "I'm telling the truth" it will suddenly make people think "Oh wait, i'm wrong". Because you've used that line on so many Bullshit things that people will just go "Oh...yes...the truth. 'course it is."

ClaireBear 06-08-2004 05:31 AM

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who perform animal-sex are not entirely there. However, the women are. Women can have an multiple orgasms for over an hour with a Dog. And some women i have spoken to about such subject are very professional career women.

Hang on hang on! What are the logistics of a woman getting it on with a dog? I mean how... where... what would... eh?

I'm trying to visualise it... even act it out and apart from pinning the poor beast with tent pegs it surely can't be done!!!! Unless we're talking about oral stimulation?

Jacob 06-08-2004 09:53 AM

'I'm trying to visualise it... even act it out'

Easy there Lassie, too much information...

And let's just think about the Karma Sutra for a few seconds...and think some more...and more...and...oh yes "Doggy Style" i wonder how they came up with that? Maybe because Dogs do it "Doggy Styleee".

Anyway, without getting too graphic that's how they do it. Or they sit on the edge of the bed, legs akimbo...

Nate 06-08-2004 12:34 PM

I think he meant how you get the dog involved. Let's just stay it starts with your standard dog leg-humping and it goes from there. Your average dog is hornier than a fourteen year-old so they don't take much convincing.

TheRaisin 06-08-2004 05:16 PM

Umm wow. Errrrhmmm. I, uh, didn't even know that kind of um sexual orientation had a name. Well personally, I think it's disgusting. I mean, animals don't turn me on. They just don't. And I really can't imagine anyone being sexually interested in one.

That being said, my response to other people doing it is, "Whatever." If one thinks about it, it's really somewhat similar to homosexuality... kind of. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I really couldn't care less where other people seek pleasure. While I, myself, would never conceivably be attracted to another species (or a human of the same sex), I'm supportive of people's right to do what they want. And I think people who feel that anything other than heterosexuality is some kind of disease, or that the people who practice it are idiots or insane, or that it somehow goes against the Bible or Christianity, or anyone who is just offended and angered by it, or anyone who actually tries to take away the rights of people to practice it... I think those people really shouldn't have a voice in the matter. It's not affecting them, right? So why do they care?

Ummm yeah. I hope that sufficiently expressed my opinion (:sick: ) and at the same time my support of people's rights to have their own opinion. To sum it up: I, myself, do not even consider taking part in any kind of homosexual or zoophilic actions, but I accept the fact that others may.

Did that sound okay?

ClaireBear 06-08-2004 09:34 PM

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I think he meant how you get the dog involved. Let's just stay it starts with your standard dog leg-humping and it goes from there. Your average dog is hornier than a fourteen year-old so they don't take much convincing.

He? He? He? I'm a GIRL!

Girls can be dirty too!

Seriously though... doggy stylee would involve the dog being behind... there's no way... absolutely no way a dog would jump on its female owner because she doesn't emit the right pheremones as a bitch in heat.... (she may be a bitch but I'm talking about the dog kinda bitch!)

It would have to involve the edge of the bed and forcing the dog into it which I find wrong... and has anyone actually seen the size of dog's *ahem*?.... Unless it a Saint Bernard... me thinky not that great!

Alcar 06-08-2004 09:47 PM

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and has anyone actually seen the size of dog's *ahem*?

Penis?

Obviously you don't know how a dog actually has sexual intercourse. I believe the reason Jacob stated they last for over an hour, is because while interlocked during intercourse the dog's penis swells up so much that it prevents the two dogs from seperating. Now, either I'm completely wrong and have fallen for another of a friend's jokes, or it is factual.

Either way, we have once again gone righhhhht off topic.

Alcar...

ClaireBear 06-08-2004 09:56 PM

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Penis?

Obviously you don't know how a dog actually has sexual intercourse. I believe the reason Jacob stated they last for over an hour, is because while interlocked during intercourse the dog's penis swells up so much that it prevents the two dogs from seperating. Now, either I'm completely wrong and have fallen for another of a friend's jokes, or it is factual.

Either way, we have once again gone righhhhht off topic.

Alcar...

Now unless you're like a windsock down there... or without feeling THAT could be painful! It is factual... it merely slipped my mind.. but if its swelling to capacity... movement?... anyhoo... who cares about the logistsics!

One thing though... don't try it with foxes ladies... they have the same biologcal procreational interlocking mechanism... but its through the use of BARBS! Ouch! A warning for our beastial sex obsessed friends out there!

Beastiality IMHO would be okay if the animals were willing partners but parsonally I can't see that ever being the case. In which case thats animal cruelty. Remember animals (as far as biology is yet aware) don't enjoy sex for recreational reasons unlike humans... until their enjoyment is proven then to me its wrong.

Jacob 06-09-2004 07:59 AM

Well, i've done quite a bit of research into it [and did so years ago when first hearing about it] and one article in particular springs to mind. It's one stating how a man can have intercourse with his Dog [he states that the Dog be no smaller than an Alsation]. He mentions about the Dog going in Heat, and practically begging to be sexually relieved by raising its hind in the air towards anybody near it. Also, apparently Dogs can actually have an Orgasm.

'there's no way... absolutely no way a dog would jump on its female owner because she doesn't emit the right pheremones'

Then why exactly do they mount peoples legs? Or toys? Or items of furniture. If you want further proof i suggest you type in animalsex.com and have a lil' mosey into the world of animal lovers.

And on the point of the Dogs penis, yes, smaller Dogs do have smaller penis', but women will tend to do it with bigger Dogs. Yes, the Dogs penis does swell to twice the normal size, but even before then a woman can get off on it. Also, a Dog is apparently well suited for Cunnilingus too.

'Now unless you're like a windsock down there'

Saying that is like saying a woman wouldn't sleep with a man with a 9.5 inch penis. When they would. The only difference between a [straight] man in bed and a Dog, is that the Dog doesn't break wind, turn over and go immediatly to sleep.

Big_Bro_Slig222 06-09-2004 09:15 AM

I feel bad for the dog.

Nate 06-09-2004 12:27 PM

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He? He? He? I'm a GIRL!

Claire?! What sort of girls name is CLAIRE?


Just kidding. Sorry, I wasn't paying enough attention.

TheRaisin 06-09-2004 01:17 PM

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Also, apparently Dogs can actually have an Orgasm.

Ummm no, really? Dogs can ACTUALLY have an orgasm?! Did you phrase that incorrectly or something?

oddguy 06-09-2004 01:59 PM

Wow! :eek: I could never think about any of my cats that way. It's just so...wrong.

sligster 06-09-2004 04:16 PM

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I hope I never see a person marry a dog and have it be legal.

then don't visit any of the more "remote" foreign countries..

Jacob 06-09-2004 04:18 PM

'Ya know why? Because it leaves a gap open for other ways of life to intrude on the American Constitution.'

Lol, interesting you said that because on faceparty, Grim Rita was asked the question -

"Dear Rita,
What do you think of the new US law, banning gay marrige?"

To which she replied -

"A country which allows people to marry their dogs, but not other men. And these c*nts have nuclear bombs."

'First Gay Marriage is legal, then next it's Polygamy, then NAMBLA(North-Ameircan Man-Boy-Love Association) wants legal rights...then Beastiality, etc!'

I love this argument, i really do. It's the sort of argument that the White Americans probably used when Doctor King was preaching for Black Rights. You probably had a load of Fat Hillbilly's saying "But once you give a Nigger the rights of a white, your just inviting trouble. Next you'll be giving animals these rights, after all, Niggers are lower than a Dogs hind paw.". The argument can be said about women getting equal rights to vote, with men saying "Oh yes, that's right. Have women vote. Because that'll make the world a better place, women throwing their emotions around. Leaving the kitchen to vote. Pffttt...what next? Eh? What crazy scheme next?".

And by the by Oddguy, please don't make it seem that once Fags get equal rights to Muffies, Paedophiles will follow enroute. Because they won't. Everybody knows a Paedophile forces children to do stuff and harms them emotionally, physically and mentally. Whereas Gays are consenting. There is quite a big difference.

oddguy 06-09-2004 05:02 PM

-=[oddguy :cool:

Nate 06-09-2004 07:17 PM

For one thing, paedophilia used to be socially acceptable (yay Ancient Greece!) but it changed so any social value can go both ways.

And anyway I think your link between homosexuality and paedophilia is very tenuous: Yes, homosexuality used to be negatively regarded just like paedopilia but the reasons for the change are (I believe) the downturn/liberalisation in religious beliefs (by which I mean fewer people are practicing religion and there is comparatively less fundamentalism in those still practicing) in our society and also the overall relaxation of sexuality in the last half-century. Whereas the stigma against paedophilia is that it is hurting young kids, which I doubt will change any time soon. Ditto for hurting animals.

ClaireBear 06-09-2004 09:29 PM

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'there's no way... absolutely no way a dog would jump on its female owner because she doesn't emit the right pheremones'

Then why exactly do they mount peoples legs? Or toys? Or items of furniture. If you want further proof i suggest you type in animalsex.com and have a lil' mosey into the world of animal lovers.

That is for pack relations and to assert dominance... they are basically musking their owners/furniture/toys as a sign of ownership. There is nothing to suggest that this related to a sexual want or need. Bitches are just as likely to hump as dogs.

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And on the point of the Dogs penis, yes, smaller Dogs do have smaller penis', but women will tend to do it with bigger Dogs. Yes, the Dogs penis does swell to twice the normal size, but even before then a woman can get off on it.
He says with fingers crossed inspectiong the size of his own member!

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'Now unless you're like a windsock down there'

Saying that is like saying a woman wouldn't sleep with a man with a 9.5 inch penis. When they would.
Personally I wouldn't! I know my limits! The female point of entry is just as varied in depth and diametre as the penis... if you're small made... an encounter with a 9.5er would not be one of the least painful experiences for a lot of women!

So they may try to sleep with a 9.er but they may regret it!

Oh and on the topic of homosexuality being akin to paedophilia.... my reaction...

BLOW ME!

Absolutely no way! Sure there may be some sick ****s who try and "turn" (thats horrible phrasiology but can't think of another way to express it... Jacob what should I have said?) young underage impressionable boys... but you also get straight men and women doing the same!

You can't tar an entire social group with the actions of a minority!

Homosexuality and kiddie fiddling ARE NOT related.. nor should they be given the same standing... I'm all for gay marriage... in an adult (human!)consenting, loving relationship anyone should have the right to express their love publicly through marriage... Gay marriage will not and should not make kiddie fiddling acceptable... those sickos should be castrated and I'm not talking chemically!

Jacob 06-10-2004 04:33 AM

Okay, i'm thinking someone will come up with the comment "Oh, this is turning out to be another Religious debate." which it's not. Religion hasn't entered into the equation fully, and let's keep it that way.

'I see nothing wrong with African Americans, or Women. And don't compare my thoughts to that of a 'fat hillbilly'...please.'

It's the exact same thing. Interracial marriages where probably mortifying to the typical American/Brit/other nationality in the mid-whenever. But we've got over the fact that it's not that bad and that love's love like we should do with this.

'Well, Beastiality is forcing animals to do something'

No. Beastiality is having sexual intercourse with animals. Forcing sexual intimacy upon an animal is called "animal rape".

'Being Gay used to be very looked down upon, but now it's accepted'

Being Homosexual is the same as being Heterosexual, bar liking the opposite sex. That's the only difference. I personally can understand why Beastility is illegal - because people would abuse their relationship with the animal and probably would rape it, saying it was consenting at the time. Now, i personally don't have a problem with this, because in all honesty i'd rather see an animal starved of its sexual needs than raped copiously every other night. Therefore the chances of it being legalised is very-very-VERY obscure.

'"Oh, it's not their fault. They were born that way. How dare you question their rights?!"'

We have people like that now. I, personally, believe that it is a f*cked up Brain chemistry, because along with Homosexuality - why would you want to be one? Not only does it make life harder but, being a Paedophile, is disgusting. This does not make me think "Oh, they have rights, let them have all the kiddies they want." because what they do is WRONG. They rape children. Grooming them into thinking they want something they don't. And under no circumstances will the public, or Government, legalise Paedophilia. Also, saying that they cannot help themselves from harming children is another thing i find tedious. Homosexuals, in the past, had married and basically rejected all their natural urges towards another man, until society realised that they shouldn't have to. Paedophiles can do exactly the same thing, and if they do harm a child, they should be shot. Infact, i've always said that if i ever suddenly started to like children i'd kill myself. Which is what all of them should do.

'brainwashed public'

By that i assume you refer to people knowing that Homosexuality is not a choice. In which case by "brainwashed" you mean "educated".

In a Democracy it's interesting to see that a certain form of love, that's pure and natural, can be so vilified and looked down upon. What's wrong with a marriage between two men/women? [I can see the point of Church-marriage because that's Religious and for whatever nonsical Religious reasons, it's a sin. But i'm talking about a registry marriage.]

oddguy 06-10-2004 08:32 AM

-oddguy :cool:

Jacob 06-10-2004 09:39 AM

I still don't see what's so bad about two men/women marrying one another and allowing their love to be expressed through a form that Hetero couples have.

Havoc 06-10-2004 10:02 AM

Having sex with animals... I truely (and no, im not part of that group) do not know what to think about it. I try not to pick side when it come's to stuff like that. If you get sexualy attracted to your dog becouse he humps your leg becouse of ownership, there is something verry wrong with you though, although, ofcourse, that has never been proved a fully 100 %.

I suddenly also remember this guy from a cat forum I was at a verry long while ago. Me being the tiger guy and all, I ofcourse was a member. Now this guy stated he went to the zoo a few time's a week, and got an erection when he saw two lions mate. That was the topics original subject, but after he got some reactions to it he also stated he didn't dream of having sex with a women if he masturbate's, he closed his eye's and pretended he was being F*cked by a lion!

Having that said, I think the topic beastiality realy depends on the animal in question... in general I don't know what to think. Some animals are always horney, some are forced to be. The one's who force animals are the sick one's, the rest... I have no oppinion about.

ClaireBear 06-10-2004 10:34 PM

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I still don't see what's so bad about two men/women marrying one another and allowing their love to be expressed through a form that Hetero couples have.

Neither do I!

Oddguy... soon you'll be suggesting that fat people or ugly people shouldn't be given the right to express their love for each other in public through a life long bonding and ownership ceremony (all marriage actually is!)... and really you shouldn't be so hard on yourself! :p

oddguy 06-11-2004 05:15 AM

-oddguy :cool:

ClaireBear 06-11-2004 05:23 AM

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No I won't, because I don't care what fat or ugly people do...because they aren't changing the law.

I allready made my point earlier...open the door to one way of life, and others will follow.

-oddguy :cool:

But by saying that you're making out that homosexuality is akin or "as bad as" paedophilia... which is so just...just..just..no!!

oddguy 06-11-2004 05:29 AM

-oddguy :cool:

Alcar 06-11-2004 06:00 AM

In the words of the wise Rachael: To each his own.

I do have a problem with Paedophilia, as I feel it is the result of supressed emotions taken out on children who cannot defend themselves. It is akin to rape. The child is usually forced, but even in coercing a child I would consider it forceful, as a child does not know what is actually happening. I think using a child's innocence against them is so devilishly wrong. From what I've philosophied (ooo, made up word, or not? :P) the innocence of childhood is one of a few totally pure things. Something I'm sure we all miss.

As for Homosexuality. I have no problems with this sexuality. Though it is not a lifestyle. It is the name given to people who are emotionally attracted to the same gender. Notice I did not say physical attraction, that is fundamental in the reasoning. I do not believe Homosexuality is a choice. I believe sexuality is a predefined and natural part of the human body. You may think it is wrong because the percentage of the population is a minority (10%), but then, blondes and left handed people each make up 10% of the world's population as well. And back yonder, left handed people were treated bad too. They were forced to become right hand dominant.

Now, Polygamy. I can't say it is morally wrong, as it isn't hurting anyone. But I do think it is greedy, especially if you factor in the sexual activities the husband would be having with a number of wives. I know that I will have only one partner.

I've already provided my opinion in this thread concerning Beastiality.

Alcar...