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Codek 05-20-2004 04:12 AM

US Soldiers think dead Iraqis are something to grin about...
 
Bastards.

Make up your own mind. :|

Hobo 05-20-2004 04:52 AM

Sorry dude, that link just sent me to the AOL homepage.

Statikk HDM 05-20-2004 05:04 AM

Well, if you think thats outrageous you should check out what happened in the Rafah zone. During a harmless and traditional wedding celebration a gunship laid waste to an entire village. 45 dead, with 10 of them being children and 15 being women. This was a safe zone with no combat and yet people saw fit to level it based on ignorance. This also happened in Iraq and NOBODY CARED. Same thing happened in Afghanistan and NOBODY CARED. 45 innocent lives lost because people either were so stupid that they didn't realize firing guns into the air is a perfectly acceptable thing to do at a wedding. I don't think they were ignorant: The people in the gunship lusted after destruction and knew it'd be a perfect way to gun down some people without fear of retribution or chastisement.

Fuzzles! 05-20-2004 05:26 AM

Were these the pics you were linking to Death?

Pic 1

Pic 2

EDIT - A CNN article about the US's response to the Wedding shooting. Such a shame, they killed so many people.

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Pentagon says it attacked fighters -- not wedding
Witnesses say Iraqi wedding attacked near Syria
Wednesday, May 19, 2004 Posted: 3:52 PM EDT (1952 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Pentagon officials Wednesday denied alleged eyewitness reports of a U.S. attack on a wedding party in a remote area of western Iraq, killing innocent civilians.

"Our report is that this was not a wedding party, that these were anti-coalition forces that fired first, and that U.S. troops returned fire, destroying several vehicles, and killing a number of them," a Pentagon spokesman said.

He was responding to a video distributed by The Associated Press showing Iraqi witnesses who said that at least 20 people were killed and five others critically wounded early Wednesday when planes fired on a wedding celebration.

A man on the video said all homes in the village near the Syrian border were destroyed in the attack at about 3 a.m. local time Wednesday.

The video showed at least a dozen bodies, including small children, wrapped in blankets for burial as they were unloaded from a truck.

Men with picks and shovels were digging a series of graves in the video.

A senior military coalition official said as many as 40 people were killed in the attack, but said it was his belief that the attack was against a foreign fighters' safehouse.

A coalition official said in a written statement that coalition forces conducted a military operation "against a suspected foreign fighter's safehouse in the open desert, 85 km southwest of Husaybah, and 25 km from the Syrian border.

"During the operation, coalition forces came under hostile fire and close air support was provided.

"Coalition forces on the ground recovered numerous weapons, 2 million Iraqi and Syrian dinar, foreign passports and a satcom radio," the statement said.

Asked if the incident was the same one described on videotape, he said, "Yes, it is the same incident."

He added, "We had actionable intelligence to go after a foreign fighters' safehouse. It is not our belief that there was a wedding party in the open desert."

The taped witnesses identified the village as al Qa'im, which maps show is on the Iraqi side of the Syrian border, along the Euphrates River.

Two U.S. soldiers killed
The report came as military officials said two U.S. soldiers from the 1st Infantry Division were killed in northern Iraq, one of them by hostile fire, and a Marine previously reported killed in western Iraq died of causes unrelated to combat.

A soldier was shot to death around 4:30 p.m. Tuesday while on patrol in the town of Muqdadiyah, according to a statement from the 1st Infantry Division, based in Tikrit. An unidentified gunman fired on the soldier's patrol from a cemetery, the statement said.

Another soldier died in an electrical accident Tuesday evening at a coalition base near Baiji. The identities of soldiers were not released.

Meanwhile, the Marines reclassified the death of one of their troops as "nonhostile" in a statement Wednesday.

The Marine, initially reported as killed in action, was assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force. The death occurred in Kamah, near Fallujah, the the U.S.-led coalition said. Fallujah is a Sunni Muslim stronghold where resistance to the U.S. occupation has been the strongest.

The United States has lost nearly 800 troops in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion that deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. The majority of the dead have been killed in a guerilla campaign against occupation forces that began after the collapse of Saddam's government.

In Washington, the chief of U.S. forces in the Middle East told a Senate panel Wednesday there was no pattern of prisoner abuse by American troops.

But Gen. John Abizaid said preliminary findings by the Army's inspector general cite problems in training and organization and recommend "very specific changes."

"I specifically asked the [inspector general] of the Army, did he believe that there was a pattern of abuse of prisoners in the Central Command area of operation?" Abizaid testified. "And he looked at both Afghanistan and Iraq, and he said no." (Full story)

CNN Baghdad Bureau Manager Kevin Flower and Senior Pentagon



Codek 05-20-2004 06:32 AM

Yes, thanks fuzzles. :)

Fuzzles! 05-20-2004 07:14 AM

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Yes, thanks fuzzles. :)

Aaah no problem!!! :)

I'm surprised this hasn't generated more discussion.

Codek 05-20-2004 07:19 AM

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Aaah no problem!!! :)

I'm surprised this hasn't generated more discussion.

Yeah so am I. Thought this would be a big hit with PA, Majic, hobo, and all the rest who I don't care to notice...

DeBulletDodger 05-20-2004 07:26 AM

That’s just damn disgraceful.

Codek 05-20-2004 07:28 AM

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That’s just damn disgraceful.

You hit the nail on the head.

And it fucking hurt. Don't do that again. :|

Fez 05-20-2004 07:51 AM

erm...........Death, are you okay? (Seems the right thing to say...)

Esus 05-20-2004 09:15 AM

Indeed. Seeing this on tv's news surprised in one way: It wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. Everyone knew previously the US army was withholding more dodgy pictures, and I suppose I expected them to be much worse.
Of course, these current ones are disgraceful, disgusting and reflect badly upon the Yanks.

In reference to the village and wedding being destroyed, the US army did claim that there was satalite technology, weapons, and other items which the Yanks decided were inappropriate. Naturally, they slaughtered them all.

SeaRex 05-20-2004 10:25 AM

(must be read in deadpan voice)

"This is awful. Now the Arab world will hate us... this shall portray our country in a poor light."
-John Stewart

Bah, you just had to be there, I guess.

oddguy 05-20-2004 11:50 AM

That's disgusting. These people need to be locked away for a loooong time.

Weird thing though. How can AOL be in the UK and still be called AOL? America Online? I bring this up because death's link sent me AOL.UK

-oddguy

DeBulletDodger 05-20-2004 11:56 AM

Yer it does that we have AOL here never knew what it stood for but now i do... American Online something.

Jacob 05-20-2004 11:59 AM

Lol. To be honest is it really a big deal? Really? They could have done worse.

oddguy 05-20-2004 12:01 PM

Pig thou art, Jacob.

-oddguy

Codek 05-20-2004 08:22 PM

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Lol. To be honest is it really a big deal? Really? They could have done worse.

So you think it's perfectly ok for US troops to grin and give the thumbs up while having their photo taken over a dead Iraqi?

I think, to be honest, you lack conscience.

Statikk HDM 05-21-2004 06:26 AM

Yes it could be worse and it will get worse. But jsut brushing it off because it could be worse is folly. Let's imagine a serial rapist was going around Wisconsin (now that certainly wouldn't be the first time) but he says "Hey, why is everybody blaming me? It could be worse, I could've kill 'em!" Now the first reaction to that is to say that is a very stupid, callous thing to say and you want this person to be punished severely. This situation is just like that. I also don't buy there excuses and spin on this. They had "Bin Laden paraphernalia." What is that supposed to mean. And the AK-47s. To that I say big deal. Its not like I ever have to worry about rural Manitowac getting blown away because everyone has a Remington. Oh, and lets not forget the passports they had. That really means they're evil terrorists, I mean what the hell are a bunch of doing with passports in a border country? Maybe entering Iraq legally? No way! They're Al-Quaeda! Lets blow the hell out of their town!

Jacob 05-21-2004 08:01 AM

'So you think it's perfectly ok for US troops to grin and give the thumbs up while having their photo taken over a dead Iraqi?'

What's so bad about it though? These days people are getting so highly strung at the littlest of things. Big deal they're smiling over a dead Iraqi, i don't see why everybody should be all "O-M-G!! THEY'RE SMILING!! SWEET JESUS!! GOOD GOD!! NO...etc. etc.".

I personally find some of the POW "humiliation" pictures amusing, especially the one with all the POW naked and piled up on one another with the woman in the middle doing Jazz hands and smiling.

Fuzzles! 05-21-2004 08:04 AM

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the one with all the POW naked and piled up on one another with the woman in the middle doing Jazz hands and smiling.

Hmm well described. But I still think it's disgusting. I don't think any of the things happening on either side are anything to be smiling about.

oddguy 05-21-2004 08:06 AM

If you laugh at a dead person, you have no tact whatsoever. I was even disgusted when Americans were happy about Saddams sons being killed. Sure they were bad guys, but that just feels so wrong to me.

-oddguy

Codek 05-21-2004 10:27 AM

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'So you think it's perfectly ok for US troops to grin and give the thumbs up while having their photo taken over a dead Iraqi?'

What's so bad about it though? These days people are getting so highly strung at the littlest of things. Big deal they're smiling over a dead Iraqi, i don't see why everybody should be all "O-M-G!! THEY'RE SMILING!! SWEET JESUS!! GOOD GOD!! NO...etc. etc.".

I personally find some of the POW "humiliation" pictures amusing, especially the one with all the POW naked and piled up on one another with the woman in the middle doing Jazz hands and smiling.

OK, let me put it in perspective for you.

If someone took your friends, maybe a few of your countries soldiers, perhaps your next door neighbour, shot one or two of them, humiliated a bunch of them, grinned in photos they took near them, and got them on the front cover of nearly every newspaper in the world, would you still feel that it's not a big deal?

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If you laugh at a dead person, you have no tact whatsoever. I was even disgusted when Americans were happy about Saddams sons being killed. Sure they were bad guys, but that just feels so wrong to me.

You know what? I felt exactly the same thing. It really brought home the horrors of war to me, when they said joyfully "we've got saddams two sons". I sat there for a moment looking at the television in shock, sat back, and wondered to myself whether I should be happy or sad - instead I just asked myself what the world has really come to for something like this to end up happening.

When I expressed these feelings to people, they just looked confused and like they had no idea what I was talking about - it didn't seem to occur to them that Saddam is now experiencing the trauma of losing his children, and that Saddam, and his two sons were human beings.

It was almost like in their blank stares they were saying "what? But the news says that they're horrible monsters... not humans".

Jacob 05-22-2004 08:39 AM

'If someone took your friends, maybe a few of your countries soldiers, perhaps your next door neighbour, shot one or two of them, humiliated a bunch of them, grinned in photos they took near them, and got them on the front cover of nearly every newspaper in the world, would you still feel that it's not a big deal?'

I really don't know...but then again that is seperate from the topic. Did any of you lot know the corpses? No. So i don't get why you're all whinging about it.

Then again, one could justify the smilingness by saying that the corpses [when alive, of course] would be/have done the exact same thing. And thus it's a kind of twisted form of revenge.

Failing that justification i still don't get everybodies outrage. Sure, it's kind of tactless, but really...what harm is it doing? So they're happy that they've killed someone and they're taking "tourist" photo's. No problem. Let them do it.

oddguy 05-22-2004 08:56 AM

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i still don't get everybodies outrage. Sure, it's kind of tactless, but really...what harm is it doing? So they're happy that they've killed someone and they're taking "tourist" photo's. No problem. Let them do it.

Ummmmm, okay...you can think that way. Most people think this is wrong though, and you don't...so in your mind, does that make the rest of us crazy?

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You know what? I felt exactly the same thing. It really brought home the horrors of war to me, when they said joyfully "we've got saddams two sons". I sat there for a moment looking at the television in shock, sat back, and wondered to myself whether I should be happy or sad - instead I just asked myself what the world has really come to for something like this to end up happening.

When I expressed these feelings to people, they just looked confused and like they had no idea what I was talking about - it didn't seem to occur to them that Saddam is now experiencing the trauma of losing his children, and that Saddam, and his two sons were human beings.

It was almost like in their blank stares they were saying "what? But the news says that they're horrible monsters... not humans".

I feel the exact same way. I was shocked when my Christian friends were rejoicing in death. They reacted the same way your friends did when I told them what I thought...with blank stares. "But, they're the bad guys."

-oddguy

Codek 05-22-2004 10:58 AM

Jacob if I had a "respect for you" meter then you'd soon realise that it's just about scraping zero now. You seem to have no understanding of what is so disrespectful about this.

These corpses are (or possibly were) someones children. They surely didn't want to die like this, and end up with some dumbass American troops grinning over their corpses showing happyness about the death of a human. It's really twisted and fucked up that anyone should think that's ok and even acceptable. This is our own kind here, a living being that we should feel solidarity with.

Jacob 05-22-2004 11:01 AM

'so in your mind, does that make the rest of us crazy?'

No, i'm just trying to understand why everybody is so overly outraged. There are more things in the world to be outraged about people. Save your outrage for some of that, instead of Americans smiling over corpses *Gasps* Shock horror...!!

'This is our own kind here, a living being that we should feel solidarity with.'

Okay, couldn't you put that sentence in a less prickish, hippy-esque sounding form?

Right -
If the dead Iraqi's were killed terrorists then fine, i really don't see the big deal. If they were innocent, then okay, i can see why everybodies so touchy about the subject, but i personally don't feel "disgusted", "sickened" or anything else, because i really couldn't give a flying, singing, dancing Rats anus.

Just because they're "our own kind" doesn't mean you have to become pissed off when somebody shows glee in the death of another person. A Paedophile rapes and kills 5 1 month year old children...the parents find him, torture him and finally burn him. Rejoicing in his death. Is that feeling wrong? Should they be all "Oh no, we've killed a piece of scum...lets be saddened and ashamed of ourselves for doing such a tragic thing...*Sigh*". No, that's not wrong. That's fine.

Now, one could argue that the emotions these Soldiers were feeling was the equivalent to the emotions a parent would feel upon finding out her child had been raped and killed by a Paedophile. Thus they wouldn't really care and thus they would want to be seen rejoicing.

Now, i personally don't think any one [aside from a victim] can feel more pain, anger and torment than a parent realising that has happened to her child, but it was an example.

You'd be good at Human Rights, Death. They're always whinging about how murderers, rapists, Paedophiles get badly treat [that's assuming the corpses were Terrorists].

Codek 05-22-2004 11:05 AM

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'so in your mind, does that make the rest of us crazy?'

No, i'm just trying to understand why everybody is so overly outraged. There are more things in the world to be outraged about people. Save your outrage for some of that, instead of Americans smiling over corpses *Gasps* Shock horror...!!

You lack empathy, tact, and respect.

Quite bluntly Jacob, fuck you if you think you're going to make the rest of us look like we're overreacting.

Jacob 05-22-2004 11:13 AM

You might want to read my edited response as well.

'f*ck you if you think you're going to make the rest of us look like we're overreacting.'

Ohh, that's right. Swear and have a little tizzy. Enlighten me then, what's so overly bad about them...?

Codek 05-22-2004 11:21 AM

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Ohh, that's right. Swear and have a little tizzy. Enlighten me then, what's so overly bad about them...?

I spent the last 3 posts telling you what's so bad about them.

Since you didn't get it the last three times, I'll try and make it EVEN clearer for your simple ass to understand.

-This poor guy died at the hands of American dumbasses, and ended up with American dumbasses smiling over his corpse.

-America thinks it can invade a country, kill its' leaders' sons, capture its' leader, and smile over the corpses of the people they kill/humiliate while having photos taken.

-This sort of behaviour will stir up MASSIVE controversy in the middle east, practically undoing any good that America was doing there in terms of relations.

-This sort of behaviour will also incite anti US attacks, and more killings by extremists, thus America will bring harm to itself through it's own irresponsible and disrespectful foolery.

-The west and the east will eventually become more and more seperated the longer things like this continue.

-This will cause a WW3 if things get more volatile.

Sekto Springs 05-22-2004 11:28 AM

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-This will cause a WW3 if things get more volatile.

Not unless more countries get involved. Of ocurse, that's also quite possible.

Jacob 05-22-2004 11:34 AM

'Since you didn't get it the last three times, I'll try and make it EVEN clearer for your simple ass to understand.'

Care to enlighten me on why you like to make things personal when people disagree with you? Stop acting like a c*nt and grow up, you don't have to attempt to insult someone everytime they question you.

'-This poor guy died at the hands of American dumbasses, and ended up with American dumbasses smiling over his corpse.'

Now, was this "poor guy" firing on the Americans? Or maybe plotting to kill them with certain Biological toxins? Because if this "poor guy" was, then he must've known that his "poor guy" ass would have been blown apart by some "American dumbasses".

If not, then meh, he was a casualty of war. Happens all the time. Sure, the taking pictures doesn't happen all the time and yes, if he was innocent i can see your points, but still, what can you do?

'-This sort of behaviour will stir up MASSIVE controversy in the middle east, practically undoing any good that America was doing there in terms of relations.

-This sort of behaviour will also incite anti US attacks, and more killings by extremists, thus America will bring harm to itself through it's own irresponsible and disrespectful foolery.

-The west and the east will eventually become more and more seperated the longer things like this continue.

-This will cause a WW3 if things get more volatile.'


Now i see a part of your point. Your worried this will cause an uproar that will lead to WW3. Yes, i can see your point now. However, i do find it doubtful to a certain extent. If by WW3 you mean bombings on home turf on a frequent scale, then no. Not only are the Iraqi's et al incapable, but if they did they would be blown out the sky the minute the plane took off.

If you mean constant Guerilla warfare...then WW3 is already here.

I don't see why America, UK and company don't just pull out. If the Iraqi's are going to fight, let them fight amongst themselves.

Codek 05-22-2004 11:37 AM

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Not unless more countries get involved. Of ocurse, that's also quite possible.

Israel alone are fully capable of besting US forces at war. It's just that you've been brought up to think different.

The USA would LOVE to think that they are some kind of military superpower but really, they are not. They've never been in a modern day situation where they have been up against more than 4 tanks at once.

One moment that really sticks out of my mind, was when the US troops were sent FLEEING in fear as literally HUNDREDS of armed Al'Quaida militia charged on them from the hills. Good for them I say, give America the moral kick up the ass that it deserves.

We live in an age when one single Russian nuclear submarine carries enough explosive firepower to decide the fate of earth. Nearly every major country in the world has at least 1 doomsday device. The USA doesn't stand a chance, and I'm glad, because the people that run it are complete idiots.

Dave 05-22-2004 01:39 PM

I hope and pray that people around the world do not assume that the actions of U.S. soldiers and the decisions of U.S. political figures actually reflect the feelings of each and every citizen of the United States.
I have to say this, and if I offend you or whatever, then good:
ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND UNITED STATES SOLDIERS REPRESENT EVERY PERSON IN OUR COUNTRY IS STUPID..
It's ****ing impossible. And, (please correct me if I am wrong about this) everyone around the world that makes an opinion about the average U.S. citizen makes their assumption based on what they hear about our government leaders and what our soldiers do in other countries.
That is total bullshit.
If anyone really thinks that our government really cares about the average person, you are completely delusional. I don't know if anyone outside of the States learns about our government, but what we learn in school is that it is supposed to be chosen by the people, for the people. And in some part, it is. The people vote for who they want to be president.
But the candidates don't always cover every question. They mostly make statements that will get them votes. And the people hear their words through the media, which is always slanted one way or the other. It likes to make one candidate look bad and the other look good.
And then, candidates need to have money. Connections. They won't get anywhere unless they know people. Look at Bush. He signed up to serve in the air force and dodged it completely. Then, since his daddy owned oil pumps or some stupid shit in Texas, Dubya greased his way up the ladder.
Our government is not a fair representation of the needs and welfare of the common people.
Then there are our soldiers.
I personally don't know much about the stuff they do. That's because here in the States, the media will not reveal any information that might anger the people: they only print stuff that will sell papers.
But from what I have heard second hand, none of that shit was sanctioned, and no officials gave anyone permission to do it. The soldiers did it on its own.
I have a few historical references to make. It has been said that the States cannot possibly install a democracy in Iraq. They say it can't be done at all. I say bullshit, look at Japan. After they fell apart at the end of WWII, who rebuilt them? Why, the United States?
Look at South Korea. They were invaded by the Communist Nation of North Korea back in 1950. We are actually still in a technical state of war with them; no treaties were ever written. We drove North Korea out of South Korea and dominated every inch of it, and China pushed us back to the borders they have today. People in South Korea have very short memories, because they don't like U.S. soldiers on their borders. But, wait, if we never showed up in the first place, wouldn't they be a communist nation right now?
And on a side note (though it is still kinda related), I thinks its funny that France mocks us. Especially because we saved their assess from Germany. Twice.

Okay, I'm ready for anyone to throw corrections or rebuttals. I really want to know how accurate I am about this sort of thing.
And anyone from the states who reads this, can I get any verification for what I've said?

Mac the Janitor 05-22-2004 01:49 PM

Ahhh, I totally love you Dave. Took the words right out of my mouth.

I hate the fact that whenever I say I'm American people think I'm fat, ignorant and lazy, with the "LET'S NUKE 'EM ALL" adittude.

But the lazy part is right:p

Codek 05-22-2004 02:08 PM

Dave your post is ****ing massive, and as such, I can't be bothered to read through all of it, since it led off as being some bullshit about how great the USA is.

The political leaders of the USA are indicative of the populace, since they only ever do anything these days if it will stand them in better stead for the next elections - sometimes they misfire, but most of the time they hit it right on the mark, and everyone supports them.

This includes war.

Dave 05-22-2004 05:42 PM

Death, this post is not as massive, so perhaps you'll read it ...
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since it led off as being some bullshit about how great the USA is.

That is absolutely not what I am saying.
Maybe I should clarify: I agree entirely with what everyone else says about this country.
The point I am making is that the political leaders do not accurately represent the thoughts of the people.
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they only ever do anything these days if it will stand them in better stead for the next elections - sometimes they misfire, but most of the time they hit it right on the mark, and everyone supports them.
This includes war.

This is a point I actually tried to make. Politicians in this country will only do what will get them elected. I'll overlook this, because you said you didn't actually read my entire post.
Except for the part where we support them. I mean, I know that I personally don't. But, because our media doesn't show us all of what our soldiers are doing, and then show us how surprised everyone is, the average citizen doesn't have any reason to not support what is happening. The media owns our government, and influences our elections.
And I am ashamed to say that I live here, but I can't change that for a few years.
For the record (and for any US citizen that read my entire rant), I never advocated the U.S. as being great--I did quite the opposite. I only live here because I'm too young to move out.

oddguy 05-22-2004 06:12 PM

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Dave your post is ****ing massive, and as such, I can't be bothered to read through all of it...

The same way I approach looong posts. Most of these threads about american politics generates many of them. Very annoying.

-oddguy :eek:

Majic 05-22-2004 06:41 PM

I've come to the conclusion that those outside of the U.S. are just as negatively affected by negative slander as the average citizen here is by patriotic slander. Honestly, our governments foreign affairs are ****ed. There's no dignified way out. But is the good shwon in the papers? Are successes of the average person displayed? Positive news is left for the headlines of the 9 o'clock news. Negative news is reserved for the front page of major newspapers. Negativity sells. By placing it up first, that's the major thing seen, the major thing read, the thing influencing what people who don't look at the entire picture see. And never, never will this fact of life change. If negativity sells, that's what'll continue to make the papers. That's how the world works, and what most all developd countries have a right to do. But until people get their head out of their asses and stop focusing purely on aspects that display a horrible image of a nation, whose apparent goal in the world is to invade, destroy, and leave, I'm afraid this cycle of ignorant hate shall go on.


However, just as a side question, what about in 10 years? People hate "America" purely because of foreign actions already. But what if a working democracy is set up in the Middle East, the reconstruction is more or less complete, and an entirely different administration is in charge? Are you still going to be saying America is a laughable nation? Or will you look back at this time period specifically, and say "The Bush administration was pretty gung ho, and messed up," instead of letting yourself look at a mere 4 years of history to form an entire opinion on a nation? What about 25 years? 50? Whilst on your death bed? Take a look at what's been said throughout every thread regarding the War on Terrorism. The definiton of "America" seems to have been changed to "The 1/57th of a nations history, set in modern times, when an agressive administration was in charge."

Codek 05-23-2004 12:08 AM

"Negativity sells"

How would you know? Are you the new Reuters editorial consultant or something?

What sells is the NEWS. People want to know what's going on in the world and they want to keep up to date with the big stories. Big stories being either positive or negative.

A big story is usually controversy, and that is what sells.

Mac the Janitor 05-23-2004 08:10 AM

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"Negativity sells"

How would you know? Are you the new Reuters editorial consultant or something?

What sells is the NEWS. People want to know what's going on in the world and they want to keep up to date with the big stories. Big stories being either positive or negative.

A big story is usually controversy, and that is what sells.

I actually agree with him on the negativity sells thing. Just turn on the 9 o'clock news here in the U.S...story after story about shootings or rapes or kidnappings or drowning kids or theft...the list goes on and on. For some reason people only want to hear about the BAD things going on, and never the good things. That's why I can't ever watch the news, it makes me sick.