Only inasmuch as it's possible to reach that one ledge by run-jumping and not by hoisting. Try it for yourself.

Maybe it's a bug, or intentional, to get the players learn runjumping at this particular moment?

The game doesn't snap to any kind of vertical grid, so it would be no problem to raise the platform just enough to make a difference. Given that hoisting is controlled manually by special objects on the end of platforms, it's also possible that they hacked in a run-jump only hoist object that was only used once.

If it's the one place in the game run-jumping is forced over hoisting, then it's probably intentional.

Yes, actually there are certain ledges that can't be hoisted to, but can be run-jumped to. I forget exactly where they are, but I'm 100% certain they are in the game, probably in the Scrabanian trials somewhere.

Or at least, I seem to remember there were.

I think there’s a couple in Exoddus too. Bonewerkz and Necrum vaults, I wanna say.

Yeah, they're much more common in Exoddus, I just didn't know they were in Oddysee.

Who said they have to be mutually exclusive?

Munch's Oddysee did.

AO and AE didn't though.

If there's a sequel to AOHD, I'd love to see mudombies make it into it. Providing they could find a good reason why.

Yeah, because the video game industry is in a dire need of even more games with zombies.

I find it interesting that the sounds for the mudombies seem to be a part of AEs sounds.dat file, yet they don't make an appearance.

Zombies are a very cliche concept, but that shouldn't stop game devs from doing original things with them.

They have recorded the mudombies sounds? What do they sound like?

They were more like mummies or draugr than zombies, really.

Because of the way the game reads sounds.dat it was probably easier just to leave the mudombies in.

Sounds to me they were meant to be in Necrum. That would of been pretty neat.

The entire fact that mudombies were going to be a thing still cracks me up.

I imagine they'd be squeezed into a few secret areas later in the game when Necrum stops being super relevant.

A little off topic here, but all this talk of Mudombies got me thinking.

I think Oddworld could seriously work as a horror game. I'm not talking Slender jump scare shite. I'm thinking genuinely terrifying like Amnesia. Places in AE were creepy enough as they were, imagine Necrum in pitch blackness; with a few torches being the only light source then seeing a Scrab or Paramites coming out of nowhere, chasing you.

...Pretty much Amnesia but set in Oddworld.

I believe MO has given some people nightmares, too!

I don't think Amnesia's that scary, to be honest.

Look out, we got a badass over here.

I'm speaking objectively. It's overrated, and compared to something like Silent Hill 2, there's no contest.

You’re comparing two very different types of horror. Don’t.

I didn't find Amnesia scary but that's mainly because I had a hard time taking it seriously after running into the first gatherer and getting a good look at it's face. I ended up dying because I was laughing too hard.

The bad ending cutscenes, dear god.

Also my friend thought that Mudokons looked like the gatherers.

I'm not sure, but I think the Fearitales games were meant to have some horror elements.


EDIT: Dear god. I only just noticed the 'Fairytale' pun.

Yes exactly. It was set to explore the darker side of Oddworld and play with the world of spirits. I'm not quite sure what exactly they had in mind for it.

Holy shit, Nate's a genius. No seriously I only just got that when you said it! =O

Also Amensia made me wizz myself.

Argh. Your one of those guys who thinking everything is overrated if it's popular. It's fucking irritating.

Amnesia is the only game that I've played that's truly terrified me. At the first time playing. I had fricking cold sweats and shakes. It probably was an overreaction I admit. I can't handle horror games like some. :)

Anyway that's enough Amnesia talk before Nate or Wil throws me into the off topic sharks. They exist right?

How is calling something overrated saying I think everything popular is overrated?

I think I've said this before, but since people perceive things as "overrated" relative to their own opinion* (i.e. to rate something more highly than the speaker is to over-rate it), calling something "overrated" is literally equivalent to "some people like this thing more than I do".

Which, unless you are the most dedicated fanboy on the planet, is true for pretty much everything - making it the single most meaningless non-criticism I can think of.

*Also making "objectively overrated" an oxymoron