I'm sure it's noted somewhere that Manhattan couldn't stop every single one.

I'm not saying what he did was right, just that I believe it was necessary.

Eh...he probably just said that so that mankind would be more inclined to solve the problem on they're own.

So, do you mean he did the right thing for the wrong reason or that it was the lesser of two evils?

For the life of every single living thing on Earth? Depends on the day.

I read through Jumper again. I fucking love that book. It's not a masterpiece, it's just readable. And the main character looks like a friend of mine. Shame about the movie.


Also read The Road by Cormac McCarthy in one sitting. It was fucking excellent. And there's gonna be a movie!

milton glass predicts in the gn that dr. manhattan would be able to stop about 60% of russia's nukes.

valid points have been made, but i'm just never going to believe veidt did what had to be done, yeah WWIII seemed imminent but who can really be sure? veidt is JUST a man, no one has the right to waste innocent people for any reason even in the face of armageddon, idon't care how sure he was.
i'd like to ask the people that he killed their opinion.

besides how do we know for sure what veidt's intentions were, at the end of the comic he says something like, "now i'll establish a utopia" i had assumed after seeing the movie for the first time that he would've either faked his death and sat in his little antarctic palace making himself suffer for each life he destroyed or shot himself. but after reading the gn it almost sounds to me as if he's created the perfect opportunity to shape the world into whatever the hell he wants to, could part of his intentions have been power?

i liked how nite owl told veidt off in the movie telling him that his only legacy was deforming the human race because let's be realistic the peace veidt achieved will never last. dr. manhattan pissed me off even more though, atleast veidt had good intentions i even agreed with his philosophies the most, i'm pretty sure he was supposed to seem like the most altruistic one until he snapped, but dr. manhattan had the power to help more than any of them but he didn't care, he's worse than veidt or the comedian, dr. manhattan is like some rich miser who won't give a dime to his fellow man because he can't relate.

rorschach was my favorite because he was so compassionate that he'd rather die than live in a world full of people being lied to, as much of ass hole as he seemed he was a true martyr. plus you know he was a badass ;)

True, Dr. Manhattan doesn't care about the human race. But, frankly, he's not human any more. Him caring about humanity is like you caring about the ants you accidentally step on when you go for a walk.

Also, you'll find that capitalisation makes your posts much easier to read.

Keep in mind that Manhattan also felt betrayed by humanity. He helped them and then they accuse him of killing those closest to him. I liked Rorshach too, but only after the ending. Throughout most of the novel, I sort of thought of him being a "liberals are only conservatives who haven't been mugged yet" kind of person.

One of my friends is certain in his conviction that The Comedian is the only person in the story who does anywhere near the right thing for anything approaching the right reasons.

Discuss.

Like consciously murdering innocent Viatnamese people?

I really didn't see how he was supposed to be the best by the end of it. I didn't think he was all bad, but definately not better than the rest of them.

I liked all the characters. I couldn't hate any. Buuuut.

Rorschach was a crazy right-wing crazy vigilante crazy.
Dr. Manhattan was amoral.
Silk Spectre II... uh. Hm.
Comedian was a jerkass. Because he knew how shitty everything was. But still. Jerkass.
Veidt wanted to help people. But he killed lots of people to do it.


In the end, everybody sucks ass. just like irl amirite

Your friend is an idiot. Partly because the Comedian was a tremendous asshole apart from his Vigilantism and partly because The First Night Owl did everything for all the right reasons.

Except giving up, but good point.

I still don't really get Dr. Manhattan, he allows himself to be turned into a weapon then expresses concern for what scientists might do with his power, remember when he and Laurie were talking to Veidt? Unless that was before Vietnam, I'm pretty sure it wasn't though.

I never understood how people could defend the Comedian, he was unwavering in his beliefs you could say, thinking that all people are savage deep down and would destroy themselves eventually. Comedian was a dirt bag no question but was Adrian any better? There are days we all agree with Comedian, that all people suck, but we make the choice to refrain from violence, the Comedian to me is just a guy who has completely given up, you could argue that he tragically fell from grace but I'm waiting for someone to explain to me how he was noble because I've heard that too.

You know, Nite Owl was probably the most functional of any of them, the only really screwed up thing he did was attack that gang member out of blind rage, other than that I liked him he was like a nerd with muscles.

Hollis Mason ;_;

Nite Owl 2 wasn't didn't really do anything wrong either, except maybe get back into vigilantism just for the kicks.

There is actually a pretty fascinating article about the morality of the different characters of Watchmen. Here is a link: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+am+I+having...comic+books%3F

Wow, really? I mean, I know you think Alan Moore is a douche and all, and god knows this conversation has nothing to do with a book or anything (and let's be honest, it's not like this is the only thread dedicated to literary discussion) but I'd like to think we're allowed to throw our opinions out here and there. I mean, I love being a judgemental fruitcake as much as the next guy, but it seems out of place here.

You're getting pissed at him now?

Da Vinci Code. Yay!

Bitches best not fuck with my Watchmen conversations.

Who watches the Watchmen? I do. Within the next few days or so. Tell me, how well-potrayed is the ending? Don't get into details, just a simple evaluation will suffice.

They canonize Viedt as the main villain instead of leaving it totally up to the readers interpretation, the folder on his computer doesn't help.

Totally ruined all ambiguity, that folder.

I was just looking for a reason to try that "Let me google that for you" thing. I tested it on a few different topics before this one, but when I noticed that the top result for this was about Asperger Syndrome, well it was too fucking funny to pass up.

The ONLY thing I didn't like about the movie was the absence of the Bearnies, because to me they represented us. I felt like Alan Moore was using them to say that we don't need superheroes to save the world, that being a herd animal mankind needs empathy more than anything else. For instance at the beginning of the book the old bearnie is paranoid about everything and young Bearnie is apathetic, two of humanities biggest problems, but as as the story progresses and the threat of war becomes more likely he realizes what's really important which is of course looking out for one another. I also heard Alan Moore say in an interview one time that the best thing about growing up in a poor neighborhood back when he was a kid was the sense of community which he feels is vanishing, so ah further validates my theory :P.

I'll let the unnecessary gore, the idiotic prison fight scene, and everything else slide because despite all that I've watched the movie like four times so thanks Zack Snyder but you still missed the point of the Bearnies!

OANST you really think Alan Moore is a douche? Why, the guy just doesn't want to whore his work, I don't know him personally but he seems to just genuinely enjoy what he does and seems very likable from everything I've heard about him. Oh and can I have your PSN yet?

I tried picking up John Dies At The End and reading it, but for some reason it just pissed me off. I suppose reading it like 7 times will do that but I don't like it nearly as much as I used to.

He is a douche. Every other artist ever is also a douche, though. I don't see why he can't stand this one.

Because he is a massive douche.


My PSN is OANST. You won't see me on until The Last Guardian comes out, but my kid plays Little Big Planet online a lot. You can play with her.

Do you have any specific reasons? I'm not being shitty, I'm genuinely curious. I read his Wikipedia article and didn't see anything that douchey.

1. He sells the rights to his work, and then incessantly whines and bitches about them being made into films. He does this even when the film maker has obviously gone the extra mile to try to please him.

2. He has the beard of a douchebag.

3. He is part of a religion that even he admits isn't real.

etc., etc...

You're right. That beard is very douche bag-esque. He looks like he's a member of the Libertarian party.

In fairness he's stated that his derision of the adaptions is a little over-exaggerated.

I'm unsure whether that works in his favour or against it.

It makes him sound like confused hermit who loves attention then complains about getting it.
The only adaption of his work he liked was an episode of Justice League Unlimited with a Lotus Eater Machine.

Point 1 is valid. Point 2 is stupid, beards are awesome. Point 3 is douchebaggery but I personally don't mind it too much.

Personally, it bugs me that he hates his fans for loving the Rorschach.

I didn't know he did. Maybe it's because the token conservative became the most popular of them all. What are his politics anyway?

I wish Bubastis would've come back as a quantum being. Aww, poor Bubastis :.(

Currently working my way through a few books.

I bought Crank purely because the cover was cool, and I like how it's written. Its shaping up to be a really cool book, not at all what I expected.

Also reading I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell (though not chronologically). A delightful front-shelfer at Barnes and Noble about the excursions of a typical jock A-hole and his many alcohol and sex-related escapades.

He's an anarchist, the twat. Sure, he was an ultra-conservative loon, but Moore went out of his way to turn him into a bad ass.

Fan Fiction in this forum. :fuzwink:

Lovely.

I finished Wells´ The Time Machine a couple of days ago and about halfway through American Gods. Which is probably the best fantasy novel I have ever read.

I refuse to allow you to quote me. MODS HALP


Also, Freemasons for Dummies. Great grandpa was one. Had money. Impulse bought.