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Connell 02-06-2017 04:44 PM

Driving me mad. All I can think of in reference to OWI_Pete's hint about looking for patterns and things that don't match up is that the second string of numbers only has 6 slashes, whereas the rest have 8. I can't figure out what that means or what to do with it though.

I tried looking at it really literally for a while; as in the /'s signify things we need, and discard the rest. So I put the number of forward slashes at the end of each line in green; I then looked at the second line, which only has "1 forward slash", so I assumed there was "1 true" value in that row. I then found only 1 value that was present in both the first and second line, being "5,5.2", so I assumed that must be the correct one for that line, so I marked it as green, and then marked the rest of the row as red.

http://imgur.com/t91U3tC.jpg

But then there's the flaws in that method: Why would there only be 5 backward slashes in line 2 if there was 11 "unneeded" values? Also, "7,5.3" appears in both the 2nd and 3rd line, so that could be the "true" value. Really tried taking it back to basics there, but there's a few holes in the logic.

I don't actually think this is the correct method, just posting this in case it gives anyone a brainwave haha.

dawlthy 02-06-2017 04:55 PM

OK, I think I may actually have something here, although it seems a bit strange to me.

Taking the hint about just looking at the start I thought maybe just ignore all the lines that start with a \ and only use the ones starting with a /.

This left me with only two lines

/\//\\//5,1:4.1,2:8.1,3:2.3,3:2.4,3:3.7,3:3.1,5:3.4,5:9.5,5:2.7,5:4.7,6:6.3,7:3.

AND

///\\/JQEABTVKNUCSEYCMBILDKOSCYSITECPAGFAXHKETJNZURWCIE

I then split the letters up into a 7x7 grid like this

1234567
1 JQEABTV
2 KNUCSEY
3 CMBILDK
4 OSCYSIT
5 ECPAGFA
6 XHKETJN
7 ZURWCIE

and using the coordinates from the row of numbers to look up the corresponding letters I got this.

B K C B I K E A G A N R

which is an anagram of the word

BACKBREAKING !

Connell 02-06-2017 04:58 PM

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OK, I think I may actually have something here, although it seems a bit strange to me.

Woah, if that's a coincidence I'll be amazed. Seems a bit of a weird way for them to incorporate the Mastermind slashes though. But, it kinda makes sense: they said "Let the numbers guide you". Let them guide is to which letters we need to pick. Perhaps. Let's see :p Nice work either way

dawlthy 02-06-2017 05:04 PM

There's a few things I'm unsure of still. I only used the first part of each set of coordinates, whats the number after the colon for? What do we do with this word we found anyway? Are the other puzzles just a distraction?

EDIT:
Can someone who uses Twitter ask Oddworld if this is just a coincidence please?

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 05:12 PM

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There's a few things I'm unsure of still. I only used the first part of each set of coordinates, whats the number after the colon for? What do we do with this word we found anyway? Are the other puzzles just a distraction?

EDIT:
Can someone who uses Twitter ask Oddworld if this is just a coincidence please?

I just asked them if they could look at your post and confirm or not

daniel992 02-06-2017 05:14 PM

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There's a few things I'm unsure of still. I only used the first part of each set of coordinates, whats the number after the colon for? What do we do with this word we found anyway? Are the other puzzles just a distraction?

EDIT:
Can someone who uses Twitter ask Oddworld if this is just a coincidence please?

They have said "The beginning is always significant. Pay special attention to the way things start and you will be closer to the truth"

So you may have done it :)

OrangeLightning 02-06-2017 05:16 PM

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OK, I think I may actually have something here, although it seems a bit strange to me.

Taking the hint about just looking at the start I thought maybe just ignore all the lines that start with a \ and only use the ones starting with a /.

This left me with only two lines

/\//\\//5,1:4.1,2:8.1,3:2.3,3:2.4,3:3.7,3:3.1,5:3.4,5:9.5,5:2.7,5:4.7,6:6.3,7:3.

AND

///\\/JQEABTVKNUCSEYCMBILDKOSCYSITECPAGFAXHKETJNZURWCIE

I then split the letters up into a 7x7 grid like this

1234567
1 JQEABTV
2 KNUCSEY
3 CMBILDK
4 OSCYSIT
5 ECPAGFA
6 XHKETJN
7 ZURWCIE

and using the coordinates from the row of numbers to look up the corresponding letters I got this.

B K C B I K E A G A N R

which is an anagram of the word

BACKBREAKING !

Nice!!! That seems super promising! :D

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 05:34 PM

I tried applying the formula to the other lines, I can't find anything

dawlthy 02-06-2017 05:59 PM

Yeah, Vince had been trying exactly that with other combination of the letters/number lines a long time ago but didn't get the right combination. I think it might have been partly my fault that he didn't keep trying really. It was only with these latest clues we had any info on how to get the right combination of letters to numbers.

That's if it is right of course :)

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 06:45 PM

So if it is morse code this is the full string

.. … - … … … … … … …. … . … … … … …. … - - …. - … - … … - … - - ..
.. … . … … … … … … … …. … - …. … - … … - … … - … - - … -
- … - …

Which makes

ISTSSSSSSHSESSSSHSTTHTSTSSTSTTIISESSSSSSSHSTHSTSSTSSTSTTSTTSTS


Also got this from one of the strings using the numbers as coordinates

DIHNOEGBADOO

Rerranged

NO
HIDE
BAD
GOO

Gunnr 02-06-2017 07:03 PM

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So if it is morse code this is the full string

.. … - … … … … … … …. … . … … … … …. … - - …. - … - … … - … - - ..
.. … . … … … … … … … …. … - …. … - … … - … … - … - - … -
- … - …

Edit
Using(SCphillis.com)I got that translated to:

??t????????e??????tt?t?t??t?tt??e?????????t??t??t??t?tt???t?

Wanted to double check (Translated them myself using a chart) I got this:

I D T S S S S S S W S E S S S
S Q S T T Q T D T S S T D T T I
I S E S S S S S S S Q S T Q S
T S S T S S T S T T S T
T S T S

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 07:14 PM

Its got to be so simple, I dont get it! :(

SilverTwilight05 02-06-2017 08:46 PM

I wonder if we need to apply the initial set of slashes as a pattern across all the letters (even though neither 5 or 6 go evenly into 49).

So the first string

\\//\/KDIUTHANPUYHHDQOEPLNDOALJGUDITHBBDOZLGFERKJGLSAOE

would become

kdIUtHanPUyHhdQOePlnDOaLjgUDiThbBDoZlgFErKjgLSaOe

simplified to

IUHPUHQOPDOLUDTBDZFEKLSO


EDIT: Ack, this was said already. Though I did find the word "bloodshed" in the first string. Back to the grind.

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 09:03 PM

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I wonder if we need to apply the initial set of slashes as a pattern across all the letters (even though neither 5 or 6 go evenly into 49).

So the first string

\\//\/KDIUTHANPUYHHDQOEPLNDOALJGUDITHBBDOZLGFERKJGLSAOE

would become

kdIUtHanPUyHhdQOePlnDOaLjgUDiThbBDoZlgFErKjgLSaOe

simplified to

IUHPUHQOPDOLUDTBDZFEKLSO


EDIT: Ack, this was said already. Though I did find the word "bloodshed" in the first string. Back to the grind.


Yeah.I tried that last night and got nothing

EDIT

I went through every string with all coordinates

/\//\\//5,1 .1,2 .1,3 .3,3 .4,3 .7,3 .1,5 .4,5 .5,5 .7,5 .7,6 .3,7.
\\\\/\2,1 .3,1 .6,1 .1,2 .3,2 .3,4 .5,5 .6,5 .7,5 .4,7 .5,7 .7,6.
\///\//\1,1 4,1 .6,1 .2,2 .6,2 .2,4 .3,5 .5,5 .7,5 .4,7 .6,7 .7,7 .
\\//\\\/4,2 .6,2 .7,3 .2,4 .3,4 .4,4 .7,4 .2,6 .4,6 .6,6 .1,7 .3,7 .
1BKCBIKEAGANR
2QETKUCGFAWCI
3JATNESPGAWIE
4CEKSCYTHEJZR

JQEABTV
KNUCSEY
CMBILDK
OSCYSIT
ECPAGFA
XHKETJN
ZURWCIE

1TAWLAVJRJM
2WUUASKQPRMHS
3HIUBNJWQRM??
4JNVKKWKTHSHM

HWUITUH
ABSJGNE
WKLALNV
GJKWELK
JLWQQPR
UTJHJJS
BFMMH



1RLHNWITOJWAJ
2UTOLGOJAWNWA
3JYONLPNJWNNR
4GLIPOKNONLWJ

JUTYROS
LNGNALE
HGNWOTI
QPOKSDN
TPNOJAW
EOBNGLA
WKJNWNR

1TNQEPDIBDL
2DIHNULBEADOO
3KUHPHAHBADKE
4YHDALJDLFRJL

KDIUTHA
NPUYHHD
QOEPLND
OALJGUD
ITHBBDO
ZLGFERK
JGLSAOE


Just needs to be ciphered

Xavier 02-07-2017 12:08 AM

I'm going to leave this here:




cdgoodwill 02-07-2017 12:22 AM

Backbreaking can't fit in the symbol pieces, 2 characters short. Maybe add 73? Also, if you fit the symbol together, it can create a never-ending loop of symbols, as one piece fits at the top and the bottom. (4 across 2 up)

Manco 02-07-2017 12:49 AM




Emphasizing the numbers again.

GlitterPanther 02-07-2017 12:50 AM

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Emphasizing the numbers again.

This is getting ridiculous...

Just noticed the website has changed too

Update 2: The Spirit of 1029 organization has made contact again - perhaps there's a clue in the way the slashes are written? Could this be something to do with the source code on the puzzle page? Just finding out about all this? The Game Detectives are on the case too, with a full round up here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SPIRITOF1...93484950118400

Xavier 02-07-2017 01:11 AM

Wiki has been updated

http://oddworld.wikia.com/wiki/Souls...d_transmission

Looks like we are getting closer:


Manco 02-07-2017 01:13 AM




Seems like they’re trying to tell us we have the key – I’m guessing this refers to “backbreaking”. So what’s the correct lock?

(I don’t know what the code in this tweet is, it isn’t a standard Caesar cipher.)

GlitterPanther 02-07-2017 01:24 AM

Just so you know, the "Key" is usually what numbers to ciphers by, so they could be saying "you have the answer, whats the question"

EDIT

Could it be a caesar box, that would explain the grid

http://www.dcode.fr/caesar-box-cipher#q2

TopHattedTime 02-07-2017 01:24 AM

Looks like they're wanting us to think in a different way for now... I had a dumb idea that backbreaking could literally mean "do things backwards to break the code"........ ?

EDIT: I've kinda forgotten what they want us to look for now hahaha :')

GlitterPanther 02-07-2017 02:01 AM

Wonder if this is anything
http://www.dcode.fr/keyboard-coordinates

Manco 02-07-2017 02:51 AM

For reference, here is BACKBREAKING applied to the grid, using the same co-ordinates to find the letters.



e: Perhaps our solution is to use the co-ordinates to apply all of the letters to the grid correctly, then put together the tiles with the 1029 logo and combine the letters within them? In that case, B and N would be two of the letters we need.

Connell 02-07-2017 03:28 AM

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For reference, here is BACKBREAKING applied to the grid, using the same co-ordinates to find the letters.

e: Perhaps our solution is to use the co-ordinates to apply all of the letters to the grid correctly, then put together the tiles with the 1029 logo and combine the letters within them? In that case, B and N would be two of the letters we need.

I was thinking that, the only question is how do we know which number strings pair with which letter strings? And how exactly do the mastermind slashes come into this still? haha. Think that's on the right track though.

thefreeman42 02-07-2017 05:21 AM

Hello everyone. I've been following the ARG and this forum for a day now, realised I could add my two cents in, but have only now gained access to write. This ARG is crazy and you guys have been really good.

Right now, here's what I'm thinking according to 1029's tweets:

"Let the numbers guide you" > We obviously need to use the coordinates, and don't forget about the numbers after the coordinates. '5,1 : 4.' We still haven't used those, and the fact that 1029 is saying this after you've found "backbreaking" means there's still something to do with them. We may also need 73. (asset73 for the link?)

"\discard distractions and find the /truth" > We definitely need to use the mastermind slashes for something. I know you've tried to figure out what would happen if the mastermind rules are used on the coordinates, but could it be that if we do that again, find which coordinates are "correct", then use those as a grid cipher to lay over the strings written inside the grid to find new words? I'm not sure, this sounds too complicated and 1029 did say the answer is simpler than it seems.

"When you have the key, you need the correct lock" > So if "backbreaking" is indeed the key, could the lock be solving the grid while keeping the coordinate numbers (the third ones) with the respective letters? Problem is, too many letters are on white spaces.

"Every step must be taken in turn" > Perhaps this is the most important one. They're telling us that we've rushed off maybe and haven't done something in order? Maybe "backbreaking" is really just a coincidence and the key is the coordinate list starting with the forwardslash. Aaaargh, my brain.

Not sure if any of this helps, but maybe someone can fork off from my stupid ideas. I'm pretty sure the important clues are in the tweets, and not just the latest ones.

Vince 02-07-2017 06:56 AM

The thing with 'Asset73' is that http://www.1029.io/repository/asset98/ provides us with a blank page, whereas http://www.1029.io/repository/asset73/ just 404s us.

But yeah, I tried the Letter Strings and the grid a couple of days ago without incorporating the truth and falsity values '/' '\' and got nothing from it.

Though this IS looking promising.

Just for reference:
Backbreaking = 2-1-3-11-2-18-5-1-11-9-14-7

Also:
8992
8554
73
57 (tag from twitter banner)
---- All unused at the moment.

How did you obtain the word 'backbreaking'? How were the truth and falsity values used?

Edit: Cool, I've managed to get 'Backbreaking' as well.
I'm going to try this for all 16 words possible.

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/\//\\//
5,1:4.
1,2:8.
1,3:2.
3,3:2.
4,3:3.
7,3:3.
1,5:3.
4,5:9.
5,5:2.
7,5:4.
7,6:6.
3,7:3.

JQE - BKCBIKEAGANR (BACKBREAKING)
KDI - TNQEPDIBBOKL
JHW - IHEKLNKWQPJF
JUT - RLHNWITOJWAJ
This is the first set, note that only the JQE letter string produces the word 'Backbreaking' the rest produce nothing.

:

\\\\/\
2,1 : 2.
3,1 : 2.
6,1 : 4.
1,2 : 4.
3,2 : 2.
3,4 : 4.
5,5 : 2.
6,5 : 3.
7,5 : 3.
4,7 : 8.
5,7 : 3.
7,6 : 4.

JQE - QETKUCGFAWCN
KDI - DIHNULBDOSAK
JHW - HWTHBJQQPMMJ
JUT - UTOLGOJAWNWA
Second set, produces nothing.
Have to stop for now as I have to head off, will continue later unless someone wants to tackle the other two grids.

dawlthy 02-07-2017 07:56 AM

GlitterPanther did that a few posts back, didn't find anything unfortunately

cdgoodwill 02-07-2017 08:30 AM

Can someone tweet to oddworld saying about how one of the pieces fits at the top and the bottom? (The one below the letter a)

GlitterPanther 02-07-2017 08:30 AM

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GlitterPanther did that a few posts back, didn't find anything unfortunately


I may have missed something or followed the code wrong though, doesnt hurt to have multiple eyes or takes on the same thing

But just for reference here they are again, the solutuions at the top 1,2,3,4 for each line and the letter boxes below, maybe I got the coordinates wrong of edited them wrong?



/\//\\//5,1 .1,2 .1,3 .3,3 .4,3 .7,3 .1,5 .4,5 .5,5 .7,5 .7,6 .3,7.
\\\\/\2,1 .3,1 .6,1 .1,2 .3,2 .3,4 .5,5 .6,5 .7,5 .4,7 .5,7 .7,6.
\///\//\1,1 4,1 .6,1 .2,2 .6,2 .2,4 .3,5 .5,5 .7,5 .4,7 .6,7 .7,7 .
\\//\\\/4,2 .6,2 .7,3 .2,4 .3,4 .4,4 .7,4 .2,6 .4,6 .6,6 .1,7 .3,7 .
1BKCBIKEAGANR
2QETKUCGFAWCI
3JATNESPGAWIE
4CEKSCYTHEJZR

JQEABTV
KNUCSEY
CMBILDK
OSCYSIT
ECPAGFA
XHKETJN
ZURWCIE

1TAWLAVJRJM
2WUUASKQPRMHS
3HIUBNJWQRM??
4JNVKKWKTHSHM

HWUITUH
ABSJGNE
WKLALNV
GJKWELK
JLWQQPR
UTJHJJS
BFMMH



1RLHNWITOJWAJ
2UTOLGOJAWNWA
3JYONLPNJWNNR
4GLIPOKNONLWJ

JUTYROS
LNGNALE
HGNWOTI
QPOKSDN
TPNOJAW
EOBNGLA
WKJNWNR

1TNQEPDIBDL
2DIHNULBEADOO
3KUHPHAHBADKE
4YHDALJDLFRJL

KDIUTHA
NPUYHHD
QOEPLND
OALJGUD
ITHBBDO
ZLGFERK
JGLSAOE

TopHattedTime 02-07-2017 09:44 AM

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For reference, here is BACKBREAKING applied to the grid, using the same co-ordinates to find the letters.



e: Perhaps our solution is to use the co-ordinates to apply all of the letters to the grid correctly, then put together the tiles with the 1029 logo and combine the letters within them? In that case, B and N would be two of the letters we need.


But going through coordinates of the tiles that have the 1029 logo on it and through the series of numbers - some of those tiles' coordinates aren't listed in the number series.... I am very confused....

Shade_Meadows 02-07-2017 09:48 AM

So...
Re-arrange the squares again?

Trying to Catch up with everything here... Oddworld is good (O-O)

cdgoodwill 02-07-2017 09:54 AM

The coded message in the tweet is translated as "one one seven three four one eight five six nine". It was apparently a substitution cipher with the keyword subjectivism. No idea what the numbers are used for, credit goes to Randomiser at GameDetectives
EDIT: NEW PAGE FOUND http://www.1029.io/repository/asset98/1173418569/
Looks like pieces of an image
If you have good photoshop skills, SORT IT OUT FOR US!
ALL CREDIT TO RANDOMISER

thefreeman42 02-07-2017 09:58 AM

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The coded message in the tweet is translated as "one one seven three four one eight five six nine". It was apparently a substitution cipher with the keyword subjectivism. No idea what the numbers are used for, credit goes to Randomiser at GameDetectives

subjectivism is 12-letter
backbreaking is 12-letter

nonsense > subjectivism > numbers as string
numbers (third numbers in coordinates) as string > backbreaking > ???

could someone check maybe? I'm quite busy >.<

EDIT: oh what, apparently, that was it? disregard this then i guess...

cdgoodwill 02-07-2017 10:05 AM

Basically their way of saying "You suck at puzzle solving, here's next image, get on with it"

Shade_Meadows 02-07-2017 10:10 AM

Here's hoping for numberless puzzles next time
(=3=) i have a headache looking at them and i didn't even solve it

Vince 02-07-2017 10:14 AM

I'm going to work on trying to arrange this image/jigsaw puzzle.

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...0_BDJW8411.jpg

I guess they gave up on us solving their source code puzzles :goof:

Connell 02-07-2017 10:15 AM

The photo changes when you refresh again. So did someone on Twitter solve it? I'm so confused haha. Pretty cool either way

Phoetux 02-07-2017 10:17 AM

Here's another image from the link

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...3_INFG2861.jpg

And another

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...8_RDHRHAHA.jpg

another

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...9_D34DM337.jpg

wow the same case as before

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...1_HEND8243.jpg

by the way you guys are awesome and I'm not really helpful but whatever

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...2_PADAPADA.jpg

this never ends

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...5_SJKW4167.jpg

im posting all the images i find if you guys dont mind, so theyre all here

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...CWB6_ARG-H.JPG

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...2_BSJG2456.jpg

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...3_VLAP3662.jpg

http://www.1029.io/repository/asset9...4_HBQD2962.jpg

Shade_Meadows 02-07-2017 10:19 AM

Right On Cue! ;)