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Nemo 07-21-2010 01:38 AM

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I can't really justify raping her (not that I ever would) on the basis that I wouldn't mind if she fucked me.

It's not rape if you don't mind it.

STM 07-21-2010 01:47 AM

Ugh you disgust me!

@MoxCo - You didn't actually say anything about many people only being kind because they have to - law and all that!

Wings of Fire 07-21-2010 01:49 AM

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Ugh you disgust me!

@MoxCo - You didn't actually say anything about many people only being kind because they have to - law and all that!

A kind action with a conceited intent is not a kind action, there are kind people out there and they don't need the law to keep them in tow.

T-nex 07-21-2010 01:57 AM

True atheists wouldn't rape or kill!

Wings of Fire 07-21-2010 01:57 AM

True women would keep their trap shut and out of guy arguments!

T-nex 07-21-2010 02:10 AM

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True women would keep their trap shut and out of guy arguments!

True Joe would never be that mean :(

Josh 07-21-2010 02:11 AM

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True women would keep their trap shut and out of guy arguments!



Thats a great way of describing Islam.

STM 07-21-2010 02:24 AM

Maybe one of the better ideas Islam brought about XD bahaaaaa I keed. Or do I?

Nate 07-21-2010 03:04 AM

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No Nate you don't that stuff because you'll get caught by the police forces, if say, there was no police due to some cataclysmic event dunno, err, radiation blast killed most of the population, nothing would stop you from fucking every lass you saw and fighting with your locals, read Lord of the Flies

Perhaps you're like that. Clearly I'm on a higher level than you are.

Wings of Fire 07-21-2010 03:09 AM

But he makes up for it by being solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short.

Bullet Magnet 07-21-2010 03:09 AM

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Ugh @ these threads

It's just athiests v christian religiocentricism

Regardless of culture God is a metaphor yo end of

Opening up a sacred text to metaphorical interpretation rips the heart out of any religion. Fundamentalists are right to fear and oppose such interpretations because it makes the central dogmas of faith untenable and painfully ridiculous.

Nate 07-21-2010 03:28 AM

No sacred text in any religion is truly interpretted literally. It's simply impossible. I can't speak for other religions, but in Judaism there is the concept of Oral Law and Written Law. Written Law is the five books of Moses. Tradition holds that God taught the Oral Law to Moses on Mount Sinai as a commentary to - and embellishment of - the Written Law.

This Oral Law was passed down orally from generation to generation (until about 400AD, long story), always framed in the current language and using familiar examples. This kept it dynamic and flexible.

The two Laws complement each other; neither can be fully understood without the other. For example, the bible says that for an animal to be kosher, it must be killed "In the way that I have showed you" (paraphrase). It's only in the Oral Law where those details are explained.

Another example is the phrase "An eye for an eye"; literally that sounds like a horrible form of punishment. However, in the Oral Law it is explained that this meant that personal injuries must be compensated in an adequate way; for instance if you injure someone and they lose an eye, you must pay them the financial value of an eye, however that is calculated.

Bullet Magnet 07-21-2010 03:42 AM

So oral law is the moral zeitgeist?

Nate 07-21-2010 03:57 AM

I suppose, if you want to put it like that.

It's a bit more complicated now given that the Oral Law is, well, written down. But the concept is the same.

Havoc 07-21-2010 05:26 AM

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No sacred text in any religion is truly interpretted literally. It's simply impossible. I can't speak for other religions, but in Judaism there is the concept of Oral Law and Written Law. Written Law is the five books of Moses. Tradition holds that God taught the Oral Law to Moses on Mount Sinai as a commentary to - and embellishment of - the Written Law.

This Oral Law was passed down orally from generation to generation (until about 400AD, long story), always framed in the current language and using familiar examples. This kept it dynamic and flexible.

The two Laws complement each other; neither can be fully understood without the other. For example, the bible says that for an animal to be kosher, it must be killed "In the way that I have showed you" (paraphrase). It's only in the Oral Law where those details are explained.

Another example is the phrase "An eye for an eye"; literally that sounds like a horrible form of punishment. However, in the Oral Law it is explained that this meant that personal injuries must be compensated in an adequate way; for instance if you injure someone and they lose an eye, you must pay them the financial value of an eye, however that is calculated.

But doesn't oral law change over the years? I mean, 'in the way that I showed you' is very open to interpetation if you don't actually know the oral law part. Doesn't that just cause confusion?

abe619 07-21-2010 05:30 AM

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Which fits nicely together with this;



I'm sure the Taliban is about peace but I'm going to stop there.

taliban are terrorists and they are not muslims.
and there are some religions which we are ordered to fight, which are the religions which seek to destroy ours.

Bullet Magnet 07-21-2010 05:44 AM

Any religion that encourages proselytising seeks to destroy all other religions.

Wings of Fire 07-21-2010 05:56 AM

Lucky that one of the core precepts of Islam is about respect for other cultures and religions then.

Bullet Magnet 07-21-2010 06:14 AM

No it isn't.

OANST 07-21-2010 06:33 AM

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You guys all fail at defending atheism. Innate morality isn't to do with your own or anyone else's happiness; it's about not causing harm to others. To put it another way, the fundamental tenant of atheistic ethics is "Do unto others as you would have done unto you".


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How dare you assume that I have no moral basis. When I don't kill someone, it isn't because I'm afraid of eternal repercussions, it's because I know that causing harm is wrong.

What's this now?

Havoc 07-21-2010 06:40 AM

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Lucky that one of the core precepts of Islam is about respect for other cultures and religions then.

Lucky that it actually works in practise. Most Islamic people I know don't have an ounce of respect for another culture or religion.

Wings of Fire 07-21-2010 06:43 AM

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No it isn't.

Oh? Islam as a religion started off in the city of Medina during Muhammed's lifetime, and the city of Medina had one of the first written constitutions for a city state and oh look at that there

Bullet Magnet 07-21-2010 09:05 AM

Aye, politics.

The Crappin' Elum 07-21-2010 09:35 AM

I laugh before your complicated words and sentences.I'm an orthodox but I don't get myself involved in the God thing too much,never ask myself where did God came from and all that BS,I'm quite comfortable with that idea...God won't stop me from having a GF,a wife,kid and so on.....I get really confused with this 'God or No God' thing!Some people say that God is 3D,Some people say that God is Evil like atheists,etc etc.! FUCKING LIVE URE LIVES AND STOP ASKING URESELF ABOUT GOD AND START ASKING URESELF ABOUT WHAT URE GOING TO DO WITH URE LIFE!AND I'M QUTE A BELEIVER BUT WHEN I'LL BE DEAD AND GOD WILL JUDGE ME BY MY ACTS I'LL TELL HIM "OH,SORRY...I WAS JUST LIVING MY FUCKING LIFE,SORRY IF I BOTHERED U WITH THAT"I don't give a piss my life is from God,Why the fuck give life to humans if God knew that humans will have sins,give them life just to let them live,die and send them to hell???WTF IS THIS SHEET?

Josh 07-21-2010 09:39 AM

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Some people say that God is 3D

I... What?

Ridg3 07-21-2010 09:42 AM

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...drivel...

Well, that was annoying to read.

The Crappin' Elum 07-21-2010 09:50 AM

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I... What?

Scientists say that God is soo big that he can't be seen...ugh..it's hard to explain..heard it from a guy once..search it on Google..

Josh 07-21-2010 09:51 AM

How the fuck does size change the amount of dimensions around you?

MarsMudoken 07-21-2010 09:54 AM

Flying Hippos that can control the color of beans.

Bullet Magnet 07-21-2010 12:19 PM

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Scientists say that God is soo big that he can't be seen...ugh..it's hard to explain..heard it from a guy once..search it on Google..

Ah, the scientists! What don't they know about unfalsifiable nonsense?

moxco 07-21-2010 12:29 PM

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I laugh before your complicated words and sentences.I'm an orthodox but I don't get myself involved in the God thing too much,never ask myself where did God came from and all that BS,I'm quite comfortable with that idea...God won't stop me from having a GF,a wife,kid and so on.....I get really confused with this 'God or No God' thing!Some people say that God is 3D,Some people say that God is Evil like atheists,etc etc.! FUCKING LIVE URE LIVES AND STOP ASKING URESELF ABOUT GOD AND START ASKING URESELF ABOUT WHAT URE GOING TO DO WITH URE LIFE!AND I'M QUTE A BELEIVER BUT WHEN I'LL BE DEAD AND GOD WILL JUDGE ME BY MY ACTS I'LL TELL HIM "OH,SORRY...I WAS JUST LIVING MY FUCKING LIFE,SORRY IF I BOTHERED U WITH THAT"I don't give a piss my life is from God,Why the fuck give life to humans if God knew that humans will have sins,give them life just to let them live,die and send them to hell???WTF IS THIS SHEET?

You are forming very unusual arguments for someone supporting Christianity.

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Some people say that God is Evil like atheists

lolwut

OANST 07-21-2010 12:37 PM

I am pretty evil.

Ridg3 07-21-2010 12:42 PM

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I am pretty.

Fixed.

OANST 07-21-2010 12:51 PM

Thank you.

Nate 07-21-2010 08:33 PM

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But doesn't oral law change over the years? I mean, 'in the way that I showed you' is very open to interpetation if you don't actually know the oral law part. Doesn't that just cause confusion?

No, because it's fundamental within the religion that you must know both the Oral and Written Laws and not just one or the other.

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What's this now?

I was generalising by summing up the majority. Do you want a hug?

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Lucky that it actually works in practise. Most Islamic people I know don't have an ounce of respect for another culture or religion.

Most people I know don't have an ounce of respect for other cultures or religions. Why should we pick on Muslims for what (sadly) seems to be a common human trait?

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How the fuck does size change the amount of dimensions around you?

Ever heard of the graviton? Some theories posit that the gravitational force is significantly weaker than electromagnetism because it operates in 11 dimensions. Whatever that has to do with God, you know...

Havoc 07-21-2010 09:51 PM

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No, because it's fundamental within the religion that you must know both the Oral and Written Laws and not just one or the other.
Yeah but the flaw with anything that is transferred by word of mouth is that it changes a lot. Ever did that one thing in school where someone would whisper something in someones ear, it would go down a chain of people and by the end of the chain you'd have something completely different come out? Well this works the same way.

I don't believe for a second that after hundreds of years the oral law is still exactly the same as it was originally told to the very first person. Nor do I believe that anyone practicing that religion tells the oral law exactly the same. As a form of rules, it's flawed by default.

The Crappin' Elum 07-21-2010 10:33 PM

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You are forming very unusual arguments for someone supporting Christianity.



lolwut

Atheists think Both God and Satan are evil(Never thought I'd use Satan and God in the same sentence) because God Gives Birth to People that have sanitary problems like being blind and stuff and Satan is evil cuz he tortures people and all the other stuff that you know! That's why they live and believe in the power of humans not of God or Satan(Like most of the goths and emos do)!
Mark Twain was atheist(remember the Satan episode?) If you ever played Bioshock 1 or 2 you might know what I'm talking about...

T-nex 07-21-2010 11:18 PM

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Atheists think Both God and Satan are evil(Never thought I'd use Satan and God in the same sentence) because God Gives Birth to People that have sanitary problems like being blind and stuff and Satan is evil cuz he tortures people and all the other stuff that you know! That's why they live and believe in the power of humans not of God or Satan(Like most of the goths and emos do)!
Mark Twain was atheist(remember the Satan episode?) If you ever played Bioshock 1 or 2 you might know what I'm talking about...


... christ X_x ...

I mean firstly, Atheists do not believe that God or Satan is evil, cos there is no God or Satan to believe in.

Also, who the hell told you Goths and Emos are satanists(if that's what you're implying). They are just people following a trend. Most Goths and Emos don't even know what the hell they are doing.

Also, the supposed God does not give birth >: ( That's just creepy.

Alcar 07-21-2010 11:27 PM

It all comes down to this:

If you believe in imaginary beings you are delusional and should seek professional help.

Alcar...

MarsMudoken 07-21-2010 11:28 PM

Hooray! I don't need professional help!