It's not from a clip - it's a production sketch of how a mud village would look.

The three Weirdos confused me. Though it says Vykkers modified Fleeches as Glukkon pets, one of the weirdos has a crown tribute as the others have Paramite and Scrab ones. Considering the Weirdos are likely from ancient times, it seems unlikely Fleeches existed then if purely created by Vykkers, and why would Mudokons worship them anyway, possibly at almost the same level as Scrabs and Paramites. Are Fleeches actually created by Vykkers, or have only their behaviour been modified? A genetically created creature flushed down sewers wouldn't be worshipped by age-old Mudokons. And if Fleeches have been modified, would that be the entire population now, or just some of what we've seen?

Really wish OWI had made it clearer...maybe I should send an email.

There was a wild-type strain of fleech that was used as a base for the Vykkerz genetic manipulation.

So what happened to them? We didn't see them in AE, we presumably only saw the modified forms since that's what it said in the game manual.

Maybe it was only behavioural modifications in younger life. Can't really tell can we?

It’s basically fanon. We know Vykkers ‘created’ the Fleeches we’ve seen, but we also know Fleeches are wildlife, not just now, but long ago when the Weirdos were having their head dresses tailored. This is our attempt to explain this discrepancy.

Interesting why the third headress isn't dedicated to the meeches, I mean, they would be around at that time wouldn't they?

well, i am in australia, and my book came in 3 days, talk about a speedy delivery!

Am I the only one who thinks the Stranger manual said that boombats live for 24 hours, hence their wiilingness to go boom?

Riotslugs in mine.

Boombats’ willingness to go boom is because, if they don’t do it sooner, they could take their whole colony out in one large aplosion. Meeches were confined to the area surrounding RuptureFarms. They might not have been found in Necrum, but apparently Fleeches were.

Maybe wild Fleeches are young Meeches.

I think not.

I can't see that work either, sorry...

where would that second mounth go?

Not far, I'm sure. Ahem.

Meeches could grow from Fleeches just like some insects grow from larvae. And anyway, no one really knows all the Meeches' body parts.

In AE I got the definite impression that the Meech population was almost extinct, yet the Fleech population was stable or even increasing due to the greater demand of their young as pets for the Glukkons.

As Fleeches (Or Fleechs or whatever the plural is) are not killed but flushed and are very much alive in sewers or the necropoli of Necrum I cannot see how the Meech population would not be stable.

Your logic has more holes in than BM would after a day at the Slig Barracks.

The biggest problem with that idea is the meeches' current IUCN status of EX: Extinct.


Or else it would be like calling the white cabbage moth extinct after they've all died off, despite the hordes of caterpillars munching through your cabbage patch.

The only Fleeches in Abe's Exoddus are Vykker-made Fleeches. I said that wild Fleeches are young Meeches. Maybe Vykker-made Fleeches were an attempt to bring back Meeches for Meech Munchies, but it didn't work.

Seems self explanatory to me.

There, see?

You can't use "wild-type strain" to infer "fleeches are meeches."

Tell me, have you ever even seen a Meech?

Yes, in the Oddworld Library, and the Meech Munchies poster.

Something occured to me. I know there is more information around than a lot of people readily gather, but how much do we think of the idea that Squeek is a symbiote, ultimately of Munch? It's out there, but a few comments and interviews gave me that inkling.

Sorry, BM, the term 'symbiote' only seems to mean Spiderman in my head at the moment...but I doubt that Squeek would be a child of Munch, or anything hatched from that can. Two Gabbits seems unlikely, plus I wouldn't have thought 'Squeek' is a name to suit a Gabbit.

You do realise it has absolutely not the slightest resemblance to a Fleech? Thought that kinda made it obvious they're entirely separate animals. I don't think purely a name is going to link them that closely.

A symbiote is a creature that uses another to survive but in turn helps that other creature, a good example of this is those birds (Can't recall the names) that eat leeches and things out of a crocodiles mouth, the bird gets food and shelter and the croc gets a clean mouth.

I've always thought Oddworld needs a good symbiote, it has an industrialist parasite (The Gloktigi) so two natives with a symbiotic relationship seems an obvious step, but which interviews are you talking about BM?

Linkage

Perhaps I should ask more about that before publishing ideas...

I don’t know about any mutualistic relationship between Gabbits and members of Squeek’s species, although I love the idea. Since Gabbits have neared extinction, this would mean Squeek’s species is also suffering; but then it’s not Squeek himself whose been mentioned as being so symbiotic. Gabbits already have an interesting relationship with Glukkons, what with their lungs being perfect replacements being the only two species capable of contracting the Gorman Disenza virus (which is the significance to which I was referring in what you quoted, BM).

Personally, I always thought Squeek would be the character who is affected by secretive testing on his population, an idea mentioned by Lorne and Sherry but not yet seen in the games. Given recent information, however, and I’m given to believe that this was actually the cause of the deaths of the Mudokon Queens.

Insects don't look like their larvae.

Ok, I know the name of the game is Oddworld, but I still refuse to believe that a Fleech would lose a whole mouth after changing form (And there is no such evidence to say that a Fleech would ever change anyway)

My argument may very well be an appeal to ignorance but yours patently doesn't make anything other than lexical sense.

They normally share the same number of legs and mouths, though.

Except for caterpillars and butterflies...
*ahem*

GD is a virus that infects the rich and powerful. The Glukkons are far from the most powerful race on Oddworld.

Mudokon Queen Sam
 

Could this be Sam?

I was under the impression that we were going to keep at least some of this stuff quiet.

The models on the left are Maggie. Those on the right are Sam. They may not look like that in their final incarnations, but that is who they are.

Save this stuff for the Q&A thread.

Then you should have used the word ‘only’ more carefully when you were describing it to me.

Possibly we were, BM, but we got into outdoing each other before we worked out exactly what and for how long.

Not the same number of legs.

Actually, larval species do tend to share the same number of legs. Most legs on a caterpillar are 'false' fleshy legs, but the 6 'real' legs are hard, at the front of the body.

I don't think a Meech's and a Fleech's anatomy really mix that much.

Elum's head in Monsaic Lines is actually from the Abe's Oddysee Click Adventure.

...whut?

Abe's Oddysee Click Adventure is a small online game that is similar to Abe's Oddysee. Instead of controlling Abe, you click on something on the screen, and a\Abe does something related to that thing.