But Millions of homosexuals die every day of this horrible disease.

Where the f*ck are you getting your info from? More people are dying in Africa from aids in case you don't know...

HAvoc

Cause ther teh gays.

Look, it was a joke. You were all acting like that's what I talk like so I decided to give you what you wanted. I thought it would be funny. Turned out it was.

If drinking is a sin, then the bible promotes sinning, as you're supposed to drink "the blood of Christ".

AIDS isn't just found in gays, ya schmuck. Nor was AIDS started by them. If you believe that then you're more dimwitted than I could've possibly imagined.

How did I misunderstand the verse? It seemed pretty goddamn clear to me.

And no, you weren't joking. You were expressing your ignorant opinion, and when you saw that no one liked it, you did a 180 and said you were joking to avoid further flaming. You, sir, are perhaps the dimmest of people I've ever come across. I really can't wait until someone else reads the comment you made, and displays a variety of colorful words to sum up the kind of person you are.

Wow! You're a psychic? I didn't realize. Actually, yeah. It was a joke. Aids is obviously not a disease that effects gay people particularly, since the highest percentage of people who have aids in the U.S. are heterosexual black males. Don't try to read anything into that, swami. It's just a statistic.

Wine is good for you in small doses. Drinking enough to become drunk is what's dangerous.

You misunderstood the verse by thinking it meant that all people are unclean. That isn't what it was saying.

And I repeat, no one understands your jokes. You really shouldn't try to be funny. It isn't your fortè.

Nonetheless, you said yourself that drinking is a sin. Apparently, according to your bible, whether or not it is good for you is irrelevent, since every person who drinks is risking destroying their body. And after all, no one should ever destroy their "temple", right Buffalo Bill?

So, what you're saying is, that certain people are born clean, while others are born unclean? Tsk tsk, I didn't know that God practiced favoritism. I thought that every man was equal in the eyes of God ;).

Part one: Making you laugh wasn't the object. Making me laugh was. And it was a success.

Part two. Did you even read what I said? If something is good for you then how exactly does that translate to destroying the temple. Huh, dragon ball boy?

Part three. No. That is not what I'm saying. Noone is born unclean. That verse does not refer to PEOPLE. Read it again.


Edit: Your attempts to make me look stupid have backfired every step of the way. You may want to calm down on that. All you are proving is that you are a bigot. Oh, yeah. I said it. You disrespect me just because I am christian. That makes you a bigot. Oh, I know what you'll say "I'm just pointing out your own stupidity and awful beliefs". Except that doesn't work since nothing you have accused me of has come anywhere near the mark. You just don't like Christians. Bigot.

Please, let's not purposefully misunderstand each other's posts. Consider the other person's point of view too, when you read them, and put your own out of your mind for the moment. Keep it civil, these are all are own ideas, and the only people saying what is right and what is wrong is us. And while we're all intelligent, we're not that wise. Or smart.

We are not enemies here, just different.

A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.
-Robert Frost (1874 - 1963)

A liberal is a person whose interests aren't at stake at the moment.
-Willis Player

Liberals are very broadminded: they are always willing to give careful consideration to both sides of the same side.
-Anonymous

Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.
-Randy K. Milholland

Okay, Buffalo, Bullet is right about everyone having different views and opinions. We all do, but just because Snuzi disagrees with your arguments and religious comments does not make him a bigot. And by calling someone a bigot is hardly an insult. You need to get off your high horse and remember that your opinions are as relevant as any of ours. You know darn well with the stuff you post on here, people WILL indeed either disagree or agree with you. You have it coming to you. All Christians know that they will enter a battle once the horn is blown. You seem like the one who needs to calm down. You call Snuzi a bigot and yet you write about how sinful homosexuality is. Doesn't sound very loving or compassionate coming from a Christian :-p. You shouldn't sound so hateful, but it is to be expected. Just learn to take other peoples opinions and don't grab on to the defense so quickly

Anyway, all your views (except any gays) are irrelevant cos only gay people can discuss this in any meaningful way.

Ha. I think anyone can discuss this topic in a meaningful way. That's like saying discussing a heterosexual's lifestyle can only be meaningful to straight people. Anyone can discuss this and understand. People just choose to be ignorant or cruel. There are sincere people out there that are kind to this matter.

If you make a joke, other people are supposed to laugh at it. It's not a joke if only you laugh at it. But that's not the point.

Well, apparently, not all things beneficial are said to be good things, according to your bible. For example, sex is apparently a sinful act, yet it's healthy, and ensures that the human race does not die with that generation. And wine is only beneficial to our bodies in small doses. Certain people abuse it, thus damaging or even destroying their "temple".

Dragon ball boy? Wow, we're really getting desperate here, aren't we? When I said that joking wasn't your fortè, I should have included insulting me as well. So, I have a DBZ icon. Whoop-dee-freaking-doo. You have a name that I can easily apply to Silence of the Lambs and go on joking about for hours. Is any of that relevent to this topic? I think not.

That verse doesn't refer to people!? Are you insane? That is the perfect metaphor to suggest that anyone who is different from the group is an outcast. What are you going to tell me it means? That God thinks fish should have scales and swim with the current? Please.

Your final words made me laugh the most. Me, a bigot? You couldn't be more wrong. I have nothing against christians, to be honest. In fact, I've had many christian friends over the years. It's those of you that preach and attempt hopelessly to render anyone else's beliefs invaluable that I attack and argue with. You came into this thread, saying that homosexuals should not be able to adopt because they aren't "godly". So, I challenged that theory, as did Havoc, Sirap, and Nate. I don't see you attacking them and intentionally insulting them just because they're arguing against your opinions. That's what this forum is about. Spreading our opinions, and supporting them with evidence of their relevence. All you've been doing is going on and on about homosexuality being a sin, and going off on these pointless tangents just because the "evidence", and I use that term so loosely, you are using is not holding out.

Bitter Buffalo, I've just read everything you said. What a load of s**t!

The verdict on equality laws and Catholic exemption in the homosexual adoption debate in Britain is a resounding "Do as we say" by the government. Legally, no agency may now turn down hopeful world-be-parents due to sexuality.

And on an unrelated yet somehow related matter... [link]

You're not just christian, you're a christian with an attitude. Haven't seen those to much around here. Go you! Still, you suck. Stop shouting bullsh*t if you don't even believe what you're saying and debate normaly.

Havoc

Not one single time did I say that homosexuals should not have the right to adopt. So maybe you should get YOUR facts straight. And sex with multiple partners without discretion becomes meaningless and can be extremely bad for you.

The verse is not meant to be a metaphor. You may think differently but you would be wrong.

I have not gone out of my way to alter anyones views. I merely stated my views in a forum which asks for me to do so. My views were questioned so I answered. I have no problem with that. It is you who has relentlessly made attacks against my intelligence and tried "hopelessly" to change my opinion. I have gone off on no tangents. At this point I am merely defending myself against your unprovoked attacks.

Oh, and you called me buffalo bill before I called you dragon ball boy so don't start acting like I'm the one who came up with the idea of changing my adversaries name in a petulant manner. Cause you did that.

HEY GUYS! DID U NO ALL BLK PPL LIK WATAMELON N CHICKEN? DEY ALL NEED SHUTIN! LOL! ALSO LIK DID U NO AMILLION PUFFS DY A YEAR?

Seriously Buffalo, quit getting your facts from stereotypes and "the place where the sun doesn't shine", and stop being so narrow minded.

And, it can be very pleasant! :p A person has to have fun once in awhile! :p
No, I'll stop it now. That might be how some people are.

Oh yeah, and you forgot to add: "Get your head out of yer arse."
Right, I'm saying no more in this topic, so bye, I guess...

Well, you pretty much implied that if they were to adopt a child, that they would not raise the child in a "godly" manner. And to provide evidence of this, you said, and I quote:

There. You implied that if a homosexual couple were to adopt a child, that they would raise that child sinfully. If that isn't basically saying that homosexuals shouldn't adopt, I don't know what is.

Not all people have sex with multiple partners. That is not what I was talking about. True, that you can get some pretty horrible STD's from sleeping around, but, if you were to take some precautions before doing so, to ensure the safety of you and your partner, then nothing would happen. I'm strictly against having multiple partners, as I don't understand what the point of not saving yourself for the one you truly love would be, but if we're getting technical here, then sleeping around may not or my not be harmful depending on what you do beforehand.

It's not? Ha. Then what does it mean? That God enjoys fishing? Honestly, if you're harboring some information, I implore you to share it with us.

I am attacking no one. You typed up an opinion that was only supported by some text in a damn old book. That is not evidence of its truth. I'm not trying to alter anyone's opinion here. I'm trying to prove to you that what you're saying isn't making any sense. So, what I'm really doing is trying to prove how ignorant you're acting by saying certain things. That's not trying to alter an opinion, that's an attempt at showing you your own foolishness.

But the difference between Buffalo Bill and "Dragonball Boy" is that Buffalo Bill can be joked about for days at a time, and still retain it's original homor. While "Dragonball Boy" is the equivalent of someone insulting you because you have a certain color shirt on. It's too obvious, and thus, is not funny. And what's mroe, I can use Buffalo Bill as an ironic statement, since you're against homsoexuals, and yet, Buffalo Bill wanted to be a woman in Silence of the Lambs. That makes it all the more amusing. Please, stop trying to convince me that you're being comedic, because you aren't.

You know, I completely disagree with the kids views and I agree that his basis for them is shaky at best but I can't really fault his presentation of them. It seems like he is doing his best to talk intelligently about it and is being very accomodating of other people's beliefs and rights. I know this will sound weird coming from me but I think you guys are being way too hard on him. I mean, it seems like he is taking offense to the way you are talking to him rather than your opinion. That's fairly rare for a fundamentalist Christian. This kid is acting the way that you should want these guys to act. And he hasn't really been wrong about what he is accusing you of. I'm reading this and all I see is him asking you to stop calling him stupid and you just keep saying "I'm not calling you stupid, stupid". That's what it amounts to. Looney-bin is the only one to actually come off really stupid so far. Seriously, that post was idiotic kid. You completely missed the point of his post.

Seconded. And put far better than I ever could have.

Believe it or not but I have to agree with OANST here as well. Even though I still think he's an idiot for making stupid jokes like that which no-one even gets!\

Havoc

I guess I have to 4th that then.

Just to return to the original argument for a mo, was it ever actaully proved it was more likely for homosexual parents to bring up homosexual children? I'm sure I heard that somewhere...

Barring any grudge against their parents, certainly more liberal understanding and accepting children. But it doesn't correspond to their sexuality, no. Why should it?

I suppose he is trying to present them the best that he can, but that isn't the point. What annoys me is that he doesn't support any of his opinions. He just thinks he can say what he want without explaining why he is justified in doing so.

Can we all please stop being idiots and leave our religious justification for discrimination at the door please? ...or, just not come in.

Ta.

To justify that somebody shouldn't be allowed to Adopt because of your religious beliefs is idiotic, please never try and justify an argument like this again, otherwise i may genuinely urinate on your ovaries.

...even if you don't have them.

Needs of the child should take precedence. If a child is going to recieve love and care from two Queers or Dykes, then fine. It certainly beats being ignored in an Orphanage and touched by one of the carers/older boys.

Does a child really need two parents of opposite gender when growing up? In a perfect World, yes. But we don't live in a perfect World.

However, i would prefer it if the couple adopting had somebody of the opposite sex who was quite close to them, just to give the child that little bit of...what's the word? ...pfftttt, no idea. But you get the point.

Will the child be bullied? Probably. But what child isn't?

Homosexuals tend to adopt the most needy of children as well, the ones with serious issues, the ones which some couples will try and avoid, so if this means that those children are going to get a home, why is that bad?

Also, what about special circumstances? Such as little girls who have been abused, and would ideally be introduced to men gradually and carefully, surely being brought up by a Lesbian couple would be ideal to that child?

All in all, the people against it don't really have a leg to stand on. Their arguments are usually mired in religion/stupidity/hate. ...all of which don't have to be exclusive.

Will it make the child Gay to have two Gay parents? ...no.

Will the child be abused by Homosexual parents? There's a possibility, but Paedophiles statistically tend to be Heterosexual.

Yes. He should've said most black people have AIDs.

For the record, i couldn't be bothered to read most of your points. Most of you are morons anyway.

*Cough*