That's really odd. I actually have known quite a few people who acted like that. Most of them ended up gay though :p.

If he's as straight as an arrow, but acts like that, would that make him metrosexual?

He doesn't do anything else, just talks and acts that way.

Gays are so outrageous.

Heh. I love the way you say that as if it's sensible. At least Ambi just went straight for the emotive-talk.

Yeah, he tells you that, but don't be surprised when he gets you hideously drunk and you wake up with his thumb up your arse.

If he were gay, don't you think he'd just admit it? I mean, why would he act that way and say that he's hetero if he wasn't? What would be the point?

You know, homosexuality is something that is still greatly looked down upon in many parts of society. If I were gay, I know I wouldn't come out any time soon and face public discrimination.

And oh yeah, sure, you have your friends and family who will still love you, but see how much friends are helpful when you get beat up one night walking home or denied a good job when you're fully qualified for it.

Though your sentiment's fine, that's kinda the over dramatic end of the spectrum. You ain't usually asked at job interviews about your sexual orientation (well, it's illegal in fact). Even as a promotion or whatever, it's still really a moot point about being gay. There's a load of other stuff which might negatively sway the people of power, like the fact you're a woman or wear glasses or have unusually large hands.

And homophobic attacks are really rather rare (certainly less common than racially motivated stuff), simply because it isn't all that obvious if a person is gay, especially to a drunken monkey skinhead in the dark. You're just as likely to get mobbed if you're wearing a suit, etc.

What I would say is the real annoying side is the very fact so many people consider it an issue of any kind, where anybody of sane mind can quite clearly see it isn't. Where you've got people who have never met you spitting hate, pinning discrimination upon a giant piece of fiction, the fact you're not legally allowed to give blood just cos you're a gay boy. And actually, the fact all that nonsense and casual prejudice that's everywhere can be such a bloody difficulty in your life with the people you care for; those loving parents and friends that you mentioned can be a far, far, far more pressing concern and issue than any great threat from religious fundamentalists, the political right, or whatever.

I just find it so depressing when you have these people ranting away on telly, talking about this theoretical thing. All that rage, and you so know the image in their heads is of these sexual promiscuous, shrieking queens, with flamboyant clothes and an effeminate air, because that’s easier, that’s a far clearer target. Where as, when I hear those kinds of opinions all I think about is kids who are 14, 15 who feel so alone, with these middle-aged adults and all their forthright, emotive moral indignation screaming pervert, or disgusting, or whatever. I mean, it’s fine for adult gays, they can just shrug that kind of thing off, know those people are idiots and get on with their lives in relative harmony (at least, in the West). It’s all those young kids who really feel that kind of thing, and it’s just an utterly ugly, ugly thing.

Oh, and:
Joking, tool.

Actually, people nowadays are more tolerant of homosexuality than they used to be. You don't hear about people getting beaten for being gay as much as you would in, let's say, the 50's. People just don't seem to mind it anymore.

And as MF said, no one asks you your orientation at a job interview.

Whatever, there are still many homophobes none the less.

You don't always have to admit you're gay for people to realize it.

And there always will be, because certain people are not as tolerant as the rest of us.



True, but nevertheless, when a homosexual is at a job offering, he won't be shooed away just because of his orientation, whether it's obvious or not. That's illegal.

Normally you can tell just by the music a person listens to. For instance, Madonna. :)

Yea but I can see in certain jobs where presentation is important, something like a manager or whatever, they wouldn't want to have some hand waving fagot running around scaring people off. Because you can't deny, that scares people off...

*Big Chief at a CEO Gathering*

"Oooh hey guys how are you doing?!! *hand wave* I'm suuuper thanks for askin! Oh I just neeeed to tell you about this pair of shoes I bought yesterday..."

Can you imagine that as the head of a company or something to that affect? No I think not :p.

Havoc

The issue is that this is not something that people think rationally about. I know several people whose parents are forward-thinking, modern, former hippies who would be fine with a gay child (and the kids know that), yet they are still in the closet.

Besides, you've also got the issue that some people may not be able to admit to themselves that they are gay, let alone tell anyone else.

That post disturbed me a little bit but I can't deny a basic truth in it. People seem to think that finding flamboyant homosexuals annoying is tantamount to bigotry. It is not. I don't care what a person does in their bedroom. It doesn't effect me in any way. However, annoying behavior certainly does effect me. It annoys me. I am not a bigot if I think a man wearing daisy dukes and waiving around his arms is a bit of a nuisance. Just as I am not a bigot for thinking people that speak ebonics could use a better education.

If an overly flamboyant individual couldn't admit to themselves that they were gay, why would they act that way in the first place? It's a bit too obvious. If they were so worried about admitting that to themselves, don't you think they'd try their hardest to make their orientation as inconspicuous as possible?

I agree with you completely, OANST. If a flamboyant homosexual were to try and find a job, while acting that way, he would be turned away not because of his sexuality, but because of his annoying behavior.

So, once again, orientation would have nopthing to do with someone being ushered off at a job offering.

You can't hide who you are and most people in their right mind wouldn't. Besides, an "overly flamboyant" gay person wouldn't really be overly flamboyant if he was hiding form himself and everyone else.
That's still beside what I'm saying. The boss makes the call, not political correctness or gay pride parades. If he is homphobic then he would find a way to get around the rules to deny the homosexual the job. And believe me, a true discriminatory feeling will definately dispose of your rational senses.
WORD!

That's exactly my point. He wouldn't act that way if he didn't want to admit his own sexuality to himself.

And yes, you can't hide who you truly are from yourself. It's pointless, since you'd only be trying to fool yourself.

There was no indication in Bullet Magnet's original post that his friend was "overly flamboyant", rather that he was "effeminate". There's a difference. And, quite frankly, sometimes people are just like that. I could mention several guys I know who acted effeminate even before puberty and turned out to be gay.

But if we are talking "overly flamboyant", then I agree with OANST. I, personally, find that sort of thing creepy. Give me a real man any day. :p

Even if an individual acted effeminate, he'd still be kind of indicating that he was either homosexual or a metrosexual. So, him not wanting to admit his orientation to himself would, once again, make no sense.

Okay, let me rephrase my post to make it clearer:No act. Just the way they were.

And another point: Metrosexual is defined as a heterosexual male who has a strong aesthetic sense and inordinate interest in appearance and style, similar to that of homosexual males. This has no bearing on his demeanor or deportment. Don't get 'camp' confused with 'metrosexual'.

What people would they be? I've never heard anyone express that opinion. It seems to be something people may assume some people think rather than people actually thinking it.

Anyway, this thread is pretty timely for current British politics, where a debate about Catholic Adoption Centers discriminating against gays is gonna be allowed. Well, they've pretty much decided that they ain't, and they've either got to change their ways or be shut down.

Inarrestin'

Have you met every person I have?

I'll swallow your damn soul.

So... what you're saying is (using a term most consider homophobic, by the way :D) that an annoying personality is unlikely to get a proper professional position in the workplace. Well, tar and feather me, what a revelation. That really has nothing to do with being gay.

I think if to gay guy wanna adopt a child they should adopt a 24 year old chick. [Is 24 still a child?]

What? What?............ What?

What he said :|

Explain this theory.

That's three calls for it now, you're legally obliged.

I think he was trying to be funny, amd failed miserably at it.

I just don't think that a homosexual will raise a child in a godly manner. That's the only problem I have with it.

Godly as in... religious godly? Or in moral godly? Either way a homosexual is no different then anyone else except for his sexual preference. Why would a gay guy be any worse at raising a child then a straight guy?

Havoc