Plus it would be a nightmare to clean the crap out of the machinery, we don't want the spoiled meat getting spoiled some more, or would it add to the flavour? 'first our meat, then our bones, then our tears, NOW OUR ANCESTOR'S FECES?' I would love to see Abe use a proper bird power though, he is an evolved bird after all..

Don't judge a book by it's cover. It's inorganic,metal, cold, lifeless, industrialist Cover.

Intruder Window :tard:

only 20% of the people here will get that

Who knows, maybe workers like to see a nice view when they are working all day. Nothing like looking at other factories when working in a factory!

I bet that other factory looks so appealing. The grass is always greener, afterall.

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The Soulstorm Brewery IS prettier than RuptureFarms... maybe its to get the Muds to work harder. One day they could be promoted from Meat Factory Cleaner to Brewery Cleaner.

I can see why the Red Ring can be seen as a problem.
I do feel the shrykul could be used more for damage on the environment causing machinery to collapse on Sligs.
Also this could effect the behaviour of Sligs later on in the game when they see you transform.

It's nice to imagine what the ideal game would be like, but are we seriously discussing changing huge swaths of gameplay just to remove red rings and make Shrykull's appearance more impressive near the end?

I like the idea of making the rings more like an aura/bubble around Abe when he has them, and then that aura/bubble expanding in the same way the rings did to wipe everything out. They should definitely look more natural than they did before anyway.

I just thought, will we still only be able to possess sligs? I'm guessing it will be the same as AO, but if they ever remake AE then I'd like to be able to posess slogs and fleeches, I hated the idea that those little bastards had more mental fortitude than a scrab.

That was what I was saying a few pages ago. Theres no need to remove the red ring, you can easily make the shrykull more impressive without taking them out.

I went back and re-read most of this thread. We've been talking in circles about the same things for about forty pages. I think this thread should be boiled down to a list of all the most significant suggestions made and posted as a sticky or something.

>Swaths of gameplay

Its basically just 6 or 7 screens in Scrabania.

The best suggestions I remember were:

More cave paintings in the Monsaic Lines
No bats (or at least fix them, make them more like Bees or something)
Get back to RF via Vents rather than a Portal
The shut down of RF should be done using the Shrykull, not a switch
Boardroom timer sequence should actually look like the Boardroom the whole time (as in it is some kind of control structure at the top)
Chanting should disrupt lights and electrical devices in the area

Ok, the most interesting things I have come across in this thread are; Shrykull power, Rings, Possession abilities, Bats and Boulders, security orbs, multiplayer and more in game animations such as mudokons working machinery. We've done the rings to death now, let's focus on something new :)

I think Glitch might have asked me to do this at some point. I probably said "Yeah, sure" while thinking "Haha, go fuck yourself."

The things I wanna suggest, like having the fires actually emit light, are pretty much a given with the switch to a 3D engine, so I really don't know what there is left for me to say. I'll say if I think of anything...

OOH, I THOUGHT OF SOMETHING :3

Flying Sligs, will they be included? Perhaps the old 'flappy wing' variant rather than the Helicopter variant seen as the sprite in AE.

I think we've discussed just about everything that can possibly be discussed. Minor things like rings and bats are the kind of decisions I think the dev team can handle without so much babysitting from the fans.

We should condense it down to story changes, character changes, and things of that nature. I don't think Glitch can be arsed to cycle through 72 pages of our griping over what color things should be, and I'd be shocked if Wil was prudent enough to be keeping track of our suggestions.

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I actually wouldn't mind doing it, if you gave me a few days.

When you've waited since 1998 for a new proper Abe game, you want it to be good ;3 (though personally its more that I want to develop one myself, or at least something in a similar gameplay style >.>)

I just want them to include the cutscenes they cut out from the final release of AO, like the meteor strike FMV.

Lorne has long since changed the canon. He thought that story arc was too convenient and silly.

Meteor Strike FMV!? o3o

Yeah, abes moon was supposed to be formed by a meteor storm, but maybe it should remain a mystery of how it was formed

Look it up. It'll be around somewhere.

I think that was still the explanation, but it took place several eons in the past, and was the source of the falling out between the Glukkons and the Mudokons.

This arc was far more interesting and sensible than the "lol the moon formed right as Abe escaped" idea, as it explains the origins of the respective races and would have actually made the Mudokons the jerks in the beginning, which is a cool twist.

Yeah the Mudokons claimed Spiritual superiority over Glukkons. This led them to turn to Alchemy and from then on Science and Industry. Hmmm.. The game needs more backstory?

I always figured they were going to reveal the backstory further along in the Quintology, but just never got around to it for obvious reasons. It would have been interesting to see how Abe responded to the fact that his race's own folly is what led him to his current circumstances.

To be fair to the Muds if I had a moon with my handprint on it, I'd brag about it.

That is a really good plot thread o3o

Why did Lorne not go with that? (besides it was cheaper to have it appear than make a whole load of new FMVs)

I'm pretty sure they were going go with it eventually, but they went under before they could continue the Quintology. This is JAW's chance to rectify that.

No pressure or anything.

This thread should be closed, and a new one started with a list of every suggestion, good and bad. Then people can just tick the ones they like, and we can actually get some agreement on what needs doing.

There's my input.